Lol I was a libertarian for almost 2 decades. You absolutely support Robinhood, a private company, halting trading whenever they want. That's libertarianism. "Well as long as they had some asterisk deep in their 25 page Agreement and you signed it....I mean, just make your own trading platform."
In fairness to the libertarians (yuck, just threw up in my mouth a little.... j/k lol).
Seriously, in fairness to them, in their world, none of these hedge funds or corporations would have become big enough to control the markets and amass trillions, and therefore, none of them would have become too massive to challenge. In that world, you really could solve the problem by making your own trading platform and increasing competition. The problem with that is that human nature doesn't really work that way. Competition is not an arbiter of equality, it's a method to determine winners and losers. Yes, corruption allowed the government and the already powerful to pick the winners who are now and have always been exploiting their influence, but in absence of that "help", a select few are still going to rise and exploit their influence. The only difference is who is doing it and through what means they rise to power. It's still probably going to be some rich guys because they'll have a head start.
Perhaps we need some sort of economic bill of rights that protects the minority in terms of economic influence.
Libertarians have generally the right idea, where they fail miserably is that they want to get there from where we are instead of realizing at best you can slowly move in that direction.
Sure, in a world where costumers understood their own power and personal responsibility was a thing it would make sense to have way less regulation. But to pretend we are at that point and that whatever shit this companies pull can be justified because they are private companies is absurdly naive. They can't be allowed to abuse the system, rig everything and then play the free market card so they can get away with anything.
Seriously, in fairness to them, in their world, none of these hedge funds or corporations would have become big enough to control the markets and amass trillions
I'd argue that premise, hard.
I sympathize with the philosophy. I really was a hard-core libertarian for almost 2 decades. But it's honestly just cringe and dumb. Never thought I'd be saying it but I am. It's just an immature, pacifist philosophy and, of course, look at WHO created it and it starts to make sense.
I support maximal freedom for everyone. Equality of opportunity. Minimal government where-ever possible. Abolishment of the fed, social security, handouts. Legalization of anything that doesn't hurt others, even if it may be harmful to the individual. My body, my choice - when that body really is your own body and not that of another unique living human.
Pacifism in third-party wars, full aggression when threatened by other countries.
The party, like all political machines, is fucked, but the libertarian ideals are pretty similar to the patriot's causes. We want an end to the swamp and their interference in our lives. Consider how many gadsen flags were at Trump rallies - it was the third most popular flag after USA and Trump.
They may want to go further than you, but we all agree on the first several steps and the direction we should try to go in.
I meant pacificism in the sense of maintaining a national identity. And not be rude but I don't need a rundown on libertarianism. I've read Rothbard, Friedman, Mises, Hayek. Used to listen to Tom Woods and Jason Stapleton. And of course Ron Paul.
Said to someone a second ago I sympathize with libertarians but classical liberalism is killing the country. Most conservatives today are just classical liberals, and it's not the same. And this is why the left is not only winning but dominating. Hell, their best years were the last 4 years under Trump.
And no, we don't agree on the first steps. Because I don't put deregulation as my most important step. Everything in modern libertarianism puts businesses first, with some sort of trickle down effect of the idea of freedom. And I don't put the market first, I put traditional values first.
Don't mind me. I'm just bitter because I used to defend libertarianism just like you did. I even argued that libertarianism isn't open borders because of property values. But my first redpill on it was that the first thing a libertarian society would start doing is organizing what is basically small governments. Because that's human nature. So no, I don't want Amazon to buy a country and enslave them "willingly". And I hate the general pacifism from the right today, and maybe I unfairly attribute that to classical liberalism.
Completely agree. Philosophically I would consider myself an anarchist, but we also have to live in a pragmatic society. I would say the paradigm would be a society that maximizes both freedom and responsibility, which I would call liberty.
Liberalism can only exist in a moral society with strong social institutions. It worked in the United States when America was made up of a bunch of small, closely knit communities, but that isn't really where we are at anymore.
I'm all for liberty at the local level, but gigantic monopolies are a cancer to society and just as bad as big government.
No you weren't. You're only here to cause a divide. I'm a libertarian and a proud supporter of Donald J. Trump. You are just a piece of shit shill and no one should take you seriously. The only idea you have that's genuine is trash talking a large group that supports this community, even when and where we differ, and the Trump family.
That you are doing this by making up bullshit I don't believe then applying it to me tells me all I need to know. You walk and talk like a two faced democrat.
REEEEE
So saying libertarians support private companies doing what they want is apparently wrong.
Get the fuck over it. Suddenly libertarians want The State to step in to stop private company Robinhood from doing something? Very principled ideology you got there.
Put on your big boy pants and take some shit talk.
And no, vast majority of libertarians do NOT support Trump. I know because I was a hardcore libertarian up to 2017. Their weakness redpilled me.
I can talk circles around you about libertarianism. Hayek, Rothbard, Tom Woods, Stapleton, Rand, Paul, Friedman, Mises, Hoppe were my favorites. I was just like you, crying like a bitch when someone insulted libertarianism. Then I finally matured and realized it's a cringe ideology. The reason I am so adamant about shitting on it is because modern conservatism has turned into the cancerous classical liberalism. And it's why the left is winning
But yeah dude. I'm just a shill. The elites are terrified of the pussy libertarian philosophy of "roll over and let your enemies win" so we try to divide and conquer. Couldn't be that someone just thinks your political philosophy is dumb.
There's no excuse for trying drive a wedge. This is how I know you're a democrat.
MAYBE... maybe you don't think you are. In which case, I very much doubt your belief system differs from theirs anyways. Everything you're writing here sounds JUST like some fucking liberal I argue with. Of course you will huff and puff around trying to say otherwise. Won't change that if we really got into it you'll look more and more like some neoliberal consoomer.
I hate libertarianism because it allows the left to win. That makes me a leftist.
Gotcha. That's just as illogical as your political views. And if you explored my political beliefs, you'd he the one echoing leftist cries about muh racism and sexism. I'm a traditionalist paleo conservative. You're the one that's pro gay marriage, pro-tranny, pro-drugs, pro-degeneracy, pro-prostitution, pro-porn.
That's what libertarians don't understand. Yall are just as responsible for the decay of the Republican as leftists. Just whoosh.
Lol I was a libertarian for almost 2 decades. You absolutely support Robinhood, a private company, halting trading whenever they want. That's libertarianism. "Well as long as they had some asterisk deep in their 25 page Agreement and you signed it....I mean, just make your own trading platform."
You worship the market.
In fairness to the libertarians (yuck, just threw up in my mouth a little.... j/k lol).
Seriously, in fairness to them, in their world, none of these hedge funds or corporations would have become big enough to control the markets and amass trillions, and therefore, none of them would have become too massive to challenge. In that world, you really could solve the problem by making your own trading platform and increasing competition. The problem with that is that human nature doesn't really work that way. Competition is not an arbiter of equality, it's a method to determine winners and losers. Yes, corruption allowed the government and the already powerful to pick the winners who are now and have always been exploiting their influence, but in absence of that "help", a select few are still going to rise and exploit their influence. The only difference is who is doing it and through what means they rise to power. It's still probably going to be some rich guys because they'll have a head start.
Perhaps we need some sort of economic bill of rights that protects the minority in terms of economic influence.
Libertarians have generally the right idea, where they fail miserably is that they want to get there from where we are instead of realizing at best you can slowly move in that direction.
Sure, in a world where costumers understood their own power and personal responsibility was a thing it would make sense to have way less regulation. But to pretend we are at that point and that whatever shit this companies pull can be justified because they are private companies is absurdly naive. They can't be allowed to abuse the system, rig everything and then play the free market card so they can get away with anything.
I agree, that's why I'm here and not some libertarian site
I'd argue that premise, hard.
I sympathize with the philosophy. I really was a hard-core libertarian for almost 2 decades. But it's honestly just cringe and dumb. Never thought I'd be saying it but I am. It's just an immature, pacifist philosophy and, of course, look at WHO created it and it starts to make sense.
Thanks for telling me what I support, and alienating our natural allies.
You haven't refuted it. I tell you what you support because you apparently don't understand it.
And they're not our natural allies. Classical liberalism is a pacifist, cucked cancer.
I support maximal freedom for everyone. Equality of opportunity. Minimal government where-ever possible. Abolishment of the fed, social security, handouts. Legalization of anything that doesn't hurt others, even if it may be harmful to the individual. My body, my choice - when that body really is your own body and not that of another unique living human.
Pacifism in third-party wars, full aggression when threatened by other countries.
The party, like all political machines, is fucked, but the libertarian ideals are pretty similar to the patriot's causes. We want an end to the swamp and their interference in our lives. Consider how many gadsen flags were at Trump rallies - it was the third most popular flag after USA and Trump.
They may want to go further than you, but we all agree on the first several steps and the direction we should try to go in.
I meant pacificism in the sense of maintaining a national identity. And not be rude but I don't need a rundown on libertarianism. I've read Rothbard, Friedman, Mises, Hayek. Used to listen to Tom Woods and Jason Stapleton. And of course Ron Paul.
Said to someone a second ago I sympathize with libertarians but classical liberalism is killing the country. Most conservatives today are just classical liberals, and it's not the same. And this is why the left is not only winning but dominating. Hell, their best years were the last 4 years under Trump.
And no, we don't agree on the first steps. Because I don't put deregulation as my most important step. Everything in modern libertarianism puts businesses first, with some sort of trickle down effect of the idea of freedom. And I don't put the market first, I put traditional values first.
Don't mind me. I'm just bitter because I used to defend libertarianism just like you did. I even argued that libertarianism isn't open borders because of property values. But my first redpill on it was that the first thing a libertarian society would start doing is organizing what is basically small governments. Because that's human nature. So no, I don't want Amazon to buy a country and enslave them "willingly". And I hate the general pacifism from the right today, and maybe I unfairly attribute that to classical liberalism.
Completely agree. Philosophically I would consider myself an anarchist, but we also have to live in a pragmatic society. I would say the paradigm would be a society that maximizes both freedom and responsibility, which I would call liberty.
Liberalism can only exist in a moral society with strong social institutions. It worked in the United States when America was made up of a bunch of small, closely knit communities, but that isn't really where we are at anymore.
I'm all for liberty at the local level, but gigantic monopolies are a cancer to society and just as bad as big government.
I guarantee you they have a clause that they can halt trading or remove stocks at any time.
That's a broad brush you're painting with there
Crazy to suppose libertarians support a private business choosing not to do business with someone. What a wild theory.
Yeah the broad brush of adequately describing a political philosophy.
No you weren't. You're only here to cause a divide. I'm a libertarian and a proud supporter of Donald J. Trump. You are just a piece of shit shill and no one should take you seriously. The only idea you have that's genuine is trash talking a large group that supports this community, even when and where we differ, and the Trump family.
That you are doing this by making up bullshit I don't believe then applying it to me tells me all I need to know. You walk and talk like a two faced democrat.
REEEEE So saying libertarians support private companies doing what they want is apparently wrong. Get the fuck over it. Suddenly libertarians want The State to step in to stop private company Robinhood from doing something? Very principled ideology you got there. Put on your big boy pants and take some shit talk. And no, vast majority of libertarians do NOT support Trump. I know because I was a hardcore libertarian up to 2017. Their weakness redpilled me. I can talk circles around you about libertarianism. Hayek, Rothbard, Tom Woods, Stapleton, Rand, Paul, Friedman, Mises, Hoppe were my favorites. I was just like you, crying like a bitch when someone insulted libertarianism. Then I finally matured and realized it's a cringe ideology. The reason I am so adamant about shitting on it is because modern conservatism has turned into the cancerous classical liberalism. And it's why the left is winning
But yeah dude. I'm just a shill. The elites are terrified of the pussy libertarian philosophy of "roll over and let your enemies win" so we try to divide and conquer. Couldn't be that someone just thinks your political philosophy is dumb.
There's no excuse for trying drive a wedge. This is how I know you're a democrat.
MAYBE... maybe you don't think you are. In which case, I very much doubt your belief system differs from theirs anyways. Everything you're writing here sounds JUST like some fucking liberal I argue with. Of course you will huff and puff around trying to say otherwise. Won't change that if we really got into it you'll look more and more like some neoliberal consoomer.
So, suck my dick. You have no value I can find.
I hate libertarianism because it allows the left to win. That makes me a leftist.
Gotcha. That's just as illogical as your political views. And if you explored my political beliefs, you'd he the one echoing leftist cries about muh racism and sexism. I'm a traditionalist paleo conservative. You're the one that's pro gay marriage, pro-tranny, pro-drugs, pro-degeneracy, pro-prostitution, pro-porn.
That's what libertarians don't understand. Yall are just as responsible for the decay of the Republican as leftists. Just whoosh.
open borders and globalism are also part of the muh free market that the libertarians defend
Look into the Early Life of libertarianism and it starts to make sense