I support maximal freedom for everyone. Equality of opportunity. Minimal government where-ever possible. Abolishment of the fed, social security, handouts. Legalization of anything that doesn't hurt others, even if it may be harmful to the individual. My body, my choice - when that body really is your own body and not that of another unique living human.
Pacifism in third-party wars, full aggression when threatened by other countries.
The party, like all political machines, is fucked, but the libertarian ideals are pretty similar to the patriot's causes. We want an end to the swamp and their interference in our lives. Consider how many gadsen flags were at Trump rallies - it was the third most popular flag after USA and Trump.
They may want to go further than you, but we all agree on the first several steps and the direction we should try to go in.
I meant pacificism in the sense of maintaining a national identity. And not be rude but I don't need a rundown on libertarianism. I've read Rothbard, Friedman, Mises, Hayek. Used to listen to Tom Woods and Jason Stapleton. And of course Ron Paul.
Said to someone a second ago I sympathize with libertarians but classical liberalism is killing the country. Most conservatives today are just classical liberals, and it's not the same. And this is why the left is not only winning but dominating. Hell, their best years were the last 4 years under Trump.
And no, we don't agree on the first steps. Because I don't put deregulation as my most important step. Everything in modern libertarianism puts businesses first, with some sort of trickle down effect of the idea of freedom. And I don't put the market first, I put traditional values first.
Don't mind me. I'm just bitter because I used to defend libertarianism just like you did. I even argued that libertarianism isn't open borders because of property values. But my first redpill on it was that the first thing a libertarian society would start doing is organizing what is basically small governments. Because that's human nature. So no, I don't want Amazon to buy a country and enslave them "willingly". And I hate the general pacifism from the right today, and maybe I unfairly attribute that to classical liberalism.
That's fair. Libertarians definitely run the gamut from misguided BLMers to AnCaps, so I get why there's some hate. I just get testy from seeing patriots (not just you, it's a running theme here) shit all over libertarians like half of us (those putting individual freedom first) weren't standing shoulder-to-shoulder with them for the last four years.
Completely agree. Philosophically I would consider myself an anarchist, but we also have to live in a pragmatic society. I would say the paradigm would be a society that maximizes both freedom and responsibility, which I would call liberty.
Liberalism can only exist in a moral society with strong social institutions. It worked in the United States when America was made up of a bunch of small, closely knit communities, but that isn't really where we are at anymore.
I'm all for liberty at the local level, but gigantic monopolies are a cancer to society and just as bad as big government.
You haven't refuted it. I tell you what you support because you apparently don't understand it.
And they're not our natural allies. Classical liberalism is a pacifist, cucked cancer.
I support maximal freedom for everyone. Equality of opportunity. Minimal government where-ever possible. Abolishment of the fed, social security, handouts. Legalization of anything that doesn't hurt others, even if it may be harmful to the individual. My body, my choice - when that body really is your own body and not that of another unique living human.
Pacifism in third-party wars, full aggression when threatened by other countries.
The party, like all political machines, is fucked, but the libertarian ideals are pretty similar to the patriot's causes. We want an end to the swamp and their interference in our lives. Consider how many gadsen flags were at Trump rallies - it was the third most popular flag after USA and Trump.
They may want to go further than you, but we all agree on the first several steps and the direction we should try to go in.
I meant pacificism in the sense of maintaining a national identity. And not be rude but I don't need a rundown on libertarianism. I've read Rothbard, Friedman, Mises, Hayek. Used to listen to Tom Woods and Jason Stapleton. And of course Ron Paul.
Said to someone a second ago I sympathize with libertarians but classical liberalism is killing the country. Most conservatives today are just classical liberals, and it's not the same. And this is why the left is not only winning but dominating. Hell, their best years were the last 4 years under Trump.
And no, we don't agree on the first steps. Because I don't put deregulation as my most important step. Everything in modern libertarianism puts businesses first, with some sort of trickle down effect of the idea of freedom. And I don't put the market first, I put traditional values first.
Don't mind me. I'm just bitter because I used to defend libertarianism just like you did. I even argued that libertarianism isn't open borders because of property values. But my first redpill on it was that the first thing a libertarian society would start doing is organizing what is basically small governments. Because that's human nature. So no, I don't want Amazon to buy a country and enslave them "willingly". And I hate the general pacifism from the right today, and maybe I unfairly attribute that to classical liberalism.
That's fair. Libertarians definitely run the gamut from misguided BLMers to AnCaps, so I get why there's some hate. I just get testy from seeing patriots (not just you, it's a running theme here) shit all over libertarians like half of us (those putting individual freedom first) weren't standing shoulder-to-shoulder with them for the last four years.
Completely agree. Philosophically I would consider myself an anarchist, but we also have to live in a pragmatic society. I would say the paradigm would be a society that maximizes both freedom and responsibility, which I would call liberty.
Liberalism can only exist in a moral society with strong social institutions. It worked in the United States when America was made up of a bunch of small, closely knit communities, but that isn't really where we are at anymore.
I'm all for liberty at the local level, but gigantic monopolies are a cancer to society and just as bad as big government.
I guarantee you they have a clause that they can halt trading or remove stocks at any time.