This is Commie 101, exactly what Commies did in Russia during their early days, running the printing press 24/7 with the intention of making paper money valueless, with the intent purpose of making a cashless society ran and managed by the commie government.
I want the best vehicle I can get for the dollar. If that happens to be electric, great. 900 hp electric pickup with a 0 to 60 in 2 seconds sounds great.
What I don't want is the government to tell me what I'm supposed to think is best.
Serious question, have you driven an electric car?
It's so smooth and full of torque. I have a 2nd gen Chevy volt, I've also owned a BMW i3. Both were used in great condition for under 16k. My brake pads and rotors still look brand new at 72,000 miles. My odometer reads 72000 but the engine barely has 30,000. Plugs into 110v outlet, charges overnight.
What I'm trying to say is it's like western digital saying we are going to quit making platter drives by 2025. Not because they don't want you to have 16TB Drives for $250 but because the cheap SSD will be that good by then.
By 2035, the cheapest best car will be electric because electric cars are better in every way except range, they'll fix that.
The only gas car I would consider is the new mid engine Corvette, if I won the lottery. Mainly for historical purposes.
Serious question, have you driven an electric car?
Yep. They're nice. But they don't fit my use model. I'm very big on range, backups, and hauling heavy shit; three things that electric vehicles are shit at. Any country folk (those of us who actually use our trucks) are not going to want an electric vehicle... it simply won't do what we need it to do.
I certainly agree we aren't anywhere close to having a good electric pickup but they are actually great at hauling stuff, it's just the battery range issue
Surprisingly, they really suck at hauling stuff. EVs have the physical capability to move heavy loads, but doing so drains the battery so fast that the already smaller range drops to miniscule.
This article talks about the "nice slow pace" you can get towing an RV (2 hours driving, 1 hour charging). Admittedly, that might be nice for RV people, but that sucks balls for people who's truck has a job. If I've gotta go 200 mi with a load, that's 5 hours (assuming my destination has a supercharger I'm using while loading/unloading) instead of less than 3. Something I could get done in a long afternoon now becomes an 11 hour job.
It's an empty BS promise to win free "positive" press about how much they care, and probably also to fleece some tax dollars from the US government through some incentive program.
AKA feds subsidize things we don't want to make it competitive. It can't stand on its own at this point.
Imagine every single gas station in the country boarded up. All the people that work at those places unemployed.
Imagine how you would go anywhere in a situation when power is out for a week, which actually happens quite often from storms in the U.S. Your car becomes useless as you can't charge it. Generators run on gasoline or natural gas, but you can't get either easily, or affordably.
Imagine going on a trip. Think about hotels, and how many vehicles you see in parking lots. They ALL need to be charged. As does every vehicle everywhere. California can't handle the strain on the power grid NOW, with rolling brown outs and black outs, just from A/C on a hot day. How will the power grid handle charging every vehicle that exists??
Pure short-sighted, feel-good, Commie-pandering bullshit. A true recipe for misery and disaster.
I've got a 20 + year old FORD truck ...279,000 miles and she still cranks over in 20° weather.
It gets me where i need to go and hauls what I need to carry.
Well, how else are these lunatics going to get aroused if we don't incentivize poor african children killing themselves collecting toxic heavy metals by hand for our new massive demand for batteries? Think about their sexual fulfillment, guys! (Or don't. Or seriously don't.)
Mary Barra is literally retarded. Our electricity infrastructure couldn't handle the massive demand that would occur if all cars went electric. The best way is offer gas, diesel, electric and allow the customer to decide. If all consumers decide electric, then that is the time to transition.
GM stockholders will do will well to get this retarded bitch out the leadership position at GM ASAP.
As 2-stroke architecture, they'll pretty much run forever as long as you feed them the appropriate ratio and blend of oil that mixes with the fuel. The fuel system itself is like a muscle; needs to be in steady use to prevent headaches from developing (especially since mix left to sit accelerates the turning to goo), and the engine assembly is engineered to live at full throttle.
For me: rear tire every 4-6 months. brake shoes maybe once a year, chain can go anywhere from 6 months to a year. Just depends on make of machine, 3rd party materials, and how far/ how hard you ride (I ride mine like they're stolen, actually did lose one once but recovered it a week later: taught me to ditch cable locks, now have a "Giant" side-tumbler U-lock that's held up 3 years so far. Some people use tow chain)
If you can find a pre-1977 DT175, they're hotter than short stonks rn and will get you coast-to-coast in a more timely fashion, but for all surface streets around here I can get from central OC to Venice in 90 minutes
The whole thing is so fucking pointless. Making the battery for an electric car does significantly more enviromental damage than driving the most ineffcient of SUVs for the rest of your life. But the best part is before it ever has a chance to even coming close to offesting the damage done from making the battery vs driving a gas engine SUV for the rest of your life, you'll need to replace it when it starts shitting out in 10-20 years. So not only is the one battery worse than just driving a gas engine SUV for life, but you'll actually need several of those batteries over a lifetime.
People are going to get replilled hard when electric racing takes off and batteries are being dumped by the boat load.
Ohh yeah, and that's assuming you're using clean electricity. Most comes from coal, and has major inefficiencies from converting to electricity, then to storing it in the batteries.
The limited range and no infrastructure plans
Means restricted travel for you.
Part of the plan to force you into the city's.
1984 is coming if we don't get our shit together and destroy this administration.
Your state has the power and you have the power to force your state to act.
I want electric vehicles to have more effective batteries in the future. Cars that run for longer, and are cheaper to recharge. Like electric cars are not bad as a concept, the mistake that these environmentalist shills are making is their virtue signaling. The technology to make electric cars cost effective is not there yet.
Problem is, our power grid is going away from nuclear, long term pollution and environmental impacts of solar and wind turbines makes them not really a strong long term solution without government incentives.
This power grid is based on oil and natural gas combustion. Add in transmission losses, transformer and charger losses... finally more power plants, unless in cities or other places where trigen or Cogen is used, are not any cleaner than a modern car.
It’s a scam. Redistribution of wealth being the goal
Imagine you want to drive to a public protest and your government stops your car remotely. This also makes it easy for the government to tax you per mile you drive.
If we have the technology to make bad ass electric vehicles then what's the problem? It would be stupid not to change your business model to adapt to emerging technology.
The ecological damage from mining and processing the materials needed for the batteries required, the slave labor to mine those materials from the majority of countries they're in, the strain on the power grid (especially in areas like commiefornia), the cost to you to actually charge the damn thing.
Well, doesn’t mater and you shouldn’t care which direction GM takes. They can sell all electric vehicles if they want and we don’t need to buy them if they are not competitive products.
What we do need to look out for government restrictions on the freedom to choose. If GM or Ford won’t sell a car with an IC engine, there will be many who will.
Not a wise move to go electric only, seeing as how Biden gives access to our electric grid to the Chinese.
Also not a wise move, because millions of Americans don’t want or need this.
This is Commie 101, exactly what Commies did in Russia during their early days, running the printing press 24/7 with the intention of making paper money valueless, with the intent purpose of making a cashless society ran and managed by the commie government.
I'm not with you on that.
I want the best vehicle I can get for the dollar. If that happens to be electric, great. 900 hp electric pickup with a 0 to 60 in 2 seconds sounds great.
What I don't want is the government to tell me what I'm supposed to think is best.
Serious question, have you driven an electric car?
It's so smooth and full of torque. I have a 2nd gen Chevy volt, I've also owned a BMW i3. Both were used in great condition for under 16k. My brake pads and rotors still look brand new at 72,000 miles. My odometer reads 72000 but the engine barely has 30,000. Plugs into 110v outlet, charges overnight.
What I'm trying to say is it's like western digital saying we are going to quit making platter drives by 2025. Not because they don't want you to have 16TB Drives for $250 but because the cheap SSD will be that good by then.
By 2035, the cheapest best car will be electric because electric cars are better in every way except range, they'll fix that.
The only gas car I would consider is the new mid engine Corvette, if I won the lottery. Mainly for historical purposes.
Yep. They're nice. But they don't fit my use model. I'm very big on range, backups, and hauling heavy shit; three things that electric vehicles are shit at. Any country folk (those of us who actually use our trucks) are not going to want an electric vehicle... it simply won't do what we need it to do.
I certainly agree we aren't anywhere close to having a good electric pickup but they are actually great at hauling stuff, it's just the battery range issue
Surprisingly, they really suck at hauling stuff. EVs have the physical capability to move heavy loads, but doing so drains the battery so fast that the already smaller range drops to miniscule.
This article talks about the "nice slow pace" you can get towing an RV (2 hours driving, 1 hour charging). Admittedly, that might be nice for RV people, but that sucks balls for people who's truck has a job. If I've gotta go 200 mi with a load, that's 5 hours (assuming my destination has a supercharger I'm using while loading/unloading) instead of less than 3. Something I could get done in a long afternoon now becomes an 11 hour job.
Like I said, hopefully they fix the range issue if not, they won't start selling trucks nobody can use. I'm agreeing with you.
I'm all for a diesel plug in hybrid. It would still have all the benefits of electric and of the diesel, and will use less diesel.
If you have time, research the 2nd gen volt drivetrain
Until you have to replace the batteries...or the fucking thing catches fire.
Of course that's a matter for the courts...
My Suburban is about to hit 200k miles and has been great.
My 08 had made it to 225k when I sold it. But I spent a lot of money keeping it running.
Yea, his statement is totally crap. GM has and does make great vehicles
Same. Had current Chevy truck for 20 years, 205k, some work here and there, but great engine
Vortec 5.3? That's what my Suburban has and it's great.
🤓I have a 1969 Camaro
LS motors exist
It's an empty BS promise to win free "positive" press about how much they care, and probably also to fleece some tax dollars from the US government through some incentive program.
AKA feds subsidize things we don't want to make it competitive. It can't stand on its own at this point.
Imagine every single gas station in the country boarded up. All the people that work at those places unemployed.
Imagine how you would go anywhere in a situation when power is out for a week, which actually happens quite often from storms in the U.S. Your car becomes useless as you can't charge it. Generators run on gasoline or natural gas, but you can't get either easily, or affordably.
Imagine going on a trip. Think about hotels, and how many vehicles you see in parking lots. They ALL need to be charged. As does every vehicle everywhere. California can't handle the strain on the power grid NOW, with rolling brown outs and black outs, just from A/C on a hot day. How will the power grid handle charging every vehicle that exists??
Pure short-sighted, feel-good, Commie-pandering bullshit. A true recipe for misery and disaster.
I've got a 20 + year old FORD truck ...279,000 miles and she still cranks over in 20° weather. It gets me where i need to go and hauls what I need to carry.
fixed the headline - "General Motors plans to go completely out of business by 2035"
Did they ever pay back the gov grant for electric cars?
Did Comcast actually lay all the fiber that they promised to when they got their grant money?
The answer is the same for both.
True.
Tesla answered for their grant ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Well, how else are these lunatics going to get aroused if we don't incentivize poor african children killing themselves collecting toxic heavy metals by hand for our new massive demand for batteries? Think about their sexual fulfillment, guys! (Or don't. Or seriously don't.)
When non car people are put in charge of car companies.
Electric vehicles right now are trash, not practical whatsoever
Biden will demand this by EO within six months. They have done this in Europe already by 2030.
Mary Barra is literally retarded. Our electricity infrastructure couldn't handle the massive demand that would occur if all cars went electric. The best way is offer gas, diesel, electric and allow the customer to decide. If all consumers decide electric, then that is the time to transition.
GM stockholders will do will well to get this retarded bitch out the leadership position at GM ASAP.
I haven't owned a GM in almost 30 years. They can build whatever they like.
virtue signaling
Oh yay, another reason not to buy a Gay Man's Chariot.
My car model year begins with 19
The Company Called General Motors died in 2008 and became a 'holding corp'.
This is the New GM...Government Motors.
They intend to sell to government only; will probably spin off the light truck business
Invest in automotive cqst/assembly companies
Been GM most of my life after getting tired of fixing B Bodies. Looks like Ima go Ford now...
I already daily 2-stroke stuff that's grandfathered in. No smog, no tags and 60 MPG on a bad day
California Vehicle Code section 406a:
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/handbook/motorcycle-handbook/two-wheel-vehicle-operation/
"Vintage" mopeds (my current 3 are all mid-late 2000s TOMOS bikes, built in Melania's native country)
As 2-stroke architecture, they'll pretty much run forever as long as you feed them the appropriate ratio and blend of oil that mixes with the fuel. The fuel system itself is like a muscle; needs to be in steady use to prevent headaches from developing (especially since mix left to sit accelerates the turning to goo), and the engine assembly is engineered to live at full throttle.
For me: rear tire every 4-6 months. brake shoes maybe once a year, chain can go anywhere from 6 months to a year. Just depends on make of machine, 3rd party materials, and how far/ how hard you ride (I ride mine like they're stolen, actually did lose one once but recovered it a week later: taught me to ditch cable locks, now have a "Giant" side-tumbler U-lock that's held up 3 years so far. Some people use tow chain)
If you can find a pre-1977 DT175, they're hotter than short stonks rn and will get you coast-to-coast in a more timely fashion, but for all surface streets around here I can get from central OC to Venice in 90 minutes
You're most very welcome fren!
The whole thing is so fucking pointless. Making the battery for an electric car does significantly more enviromental damage than driving the most ineffcient of SUVs for the rest of your life. But the best part is before it ever has a chance to even coming close to offesting the damage done from making the battery vs driving a gas engine SUV for the rest of your life, you'll need to replace it when it starts shitting out in 10-20 years. So not only is the one battery worse than just driving a gas engine SUV for life, but you'll actually need several of those batteries over a lifetime. People are going to get replilled hard when electric racing takes off and batteries are being dumped by the boat load.
Ohh yeah, and that's assuming you're using clean electricity. Most comes from coal, and has major inefficiencies from converting to electricity, then to storing it in the batteries.
The limited range and no infrastructure plans Means restricted travel for you. Part of the plan to force you into the city's. 1984 is coming if we don't get our shit together and destroy this administration. Your state has the power and you have the power to force your state to act.
Gm is Grifter Motors. They built the EV1 back when Clinton was President, then destroyed it the day Bush got elected and replaced it with the Hummer.
They don't care what you want. They will offer what they want you to have.
To get what you want, you have to do it yourself.
Don't get me wrong. I like the IDEA of solar panels. Problem is, they're extremely weak at generating electricity.
Fuck that... Are they really wanting me to turn in my 89 Nissan hatchback. It still gets great gas mileage.
curiously, that is also when all oil production in the US will cease
I want electric vehicles to have more effective batteries in the future. Cars that run for longer, and are cheaper to recharge. Like electric cars are not bad as a concept, the mistake that these environmentalist shills are making is their virtue signaling. The technology to make electric cars cost effective is not there yet.
Problem is, our power grid is going away from nuclear, long term pollution and environmental impacts of solar and wind turbines makes them not really a strong long term solution without government incentives.
This power grid is based on oil and natural gas combustion. Add in transmission losses, transformer and charger losses... finally more power plants, unless in cities or other places where trigen or Cogen is used, are not any cleaner than a modern car.
It’s a scam. Redistribution of wealth being the goal
Imagine you want to drive to a public protest and your government stops your car remotely. This also makes it easy for the government to tax you per mile you drive.
"Won't let?"
I'm sorry, do you think these people will have our permission?
Are they aware that gas powered vehicles bought in AZ and NV have enough range to get into CA.
If we have the technology to make bad ass electric vehicles then what's the problem? It would be stupid not to change your business model to adapt to emerging technology.
The ecological damage from mining and processing the materials needed for the batteries required, the slave labor to mine those materials from the majority of countries they're in, the strain on the power grid (especially in areas like commiefornia), the cost to you to actually charge the damn thing.
Take your pick.
Lol.
Well, doesn’t mater and you shouldn’t care which direction GM takes. They can sell all electric vehicles if they want and we don’t need to buy them if they are not competitive products.
What we do need to look out for government restrictions on the freedom to choose. If GM or Ford won’t sell a car with an IC engine, there will be many who will.
You idiots believe fake news still? You are all idiots.