If you do not agree to the terms, you are not supposed to use the service.
If you are going to complain about the terms actually applying to you, go ahead, but prepare to get laughed out of court.
Or maybe you are correct, in which case, stop paying your mortgage, and claim you never read the paperwork.
If you are correct, there will probably be copious examples of people walking away from contracts unscathed. And people successfully suing companies for claims that are explicitly waived in the ToS.
Those examples will be pouring in any moment, I'm sure. I'll try to prepare myself for the embarrassment.
I certainly do not intend to ignore you, fren. I consider you my ally and believe that you may know something I do not know, and am paying attention so I can potentially learn from you.
My current takeaway is that you are claiming that ToS are unenforceable. I disagree, because I see no evidence that this is the case.
I see the tech giants absolutely trampling on people, because they can. I see no punishments for them. I see the black and white language in the ToS that grants these companies the ability to do what they do. I see literally no one who has litigated successfully in opposition to these terms.
In spirit of hearing you out, I'll use the quote system from now on.
Or just completely ignore every point ive made and keep beating the same horse over and over, that works too i guess.
If I seem repetitive, it is because the lesson is imperative. The power to either agree, or disagree, is in our hands. When we agree with tyrants, and use their tyrannical services, we have failed to protect ourselves from tyranny.
These companies are overtly evil. They prey upon us. Yet we flock to them like sheep. This upsets me. We should have the wisdom necessary to avoid clearly negative relationships. Yet we do not.
Why? Because we are too lazy to read the terms that undergird the very relationship that we agree to? Because we cozy up to the abuser, over and over?
This is the way?
Because its totally legitimate to manipulate consumers into one sided, abusive contracts they dont read or understand and have no say in. Thats totally how the system is supposed to work.
The way the "system" is supposed to work, is that the abused cry foul, and then learn their lesson. Fool me once, shame on you. But fool me Facebook, Twitter, Robinhood, {insert endless other examples here} and we eventually must shift the blame onto the fool who continues to act foolishly. Of course these companies are going to abuse us. We willingly bow down and beg for our punishments. We even make up excuses as to why we could not possibly be held responsible for our own anguish.
Because we couldn't be bothered with even the slightest inconvenience of having to read something before agreeing to it? Is that how infantilized we have become?
Just like when corporations put restrictions on their products that control what the consumer can do with their property after theyve purchased it, and its also totally fine for corporations to supress competition the same way too.
There is nothing "fine" about it. Which is why you should have never agreed to it in the first place.
Reread that last sentence over and over until you understand. No one forced you to agree to these terms. You did it willingly. That makes you the fool. It also makes the company evil, but that is a given. They told you of their evil intentions, and you went along with it anyway.
Because the consumer should have read all that legal crap they dont even comprehend and it would totally make a difference if they did.
Correct. They should have, and it would have. Because they would then say "gee, this is bad" and moved on. Evaluated the competition. Left the tyrants to wither on the vine of irrelevance.
You keep sticking with the legal argument as though the legal system hasnt been hijacked to benefit big money interests at the expense of everyone else.
Kind of a non sequitur but to follow it, yes, the system is not in your favor. All the more reason to be extremely diligent and to only support services that are actually worthy of your patronage.
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I do not agree to your terms.
See, that was easy. However since I do not need to agree to your terms to use this website, you've created a strawman.
Here's the kicker. If you actually were in charge of this site, and those were your terms, I'd be the person that turned and walked away. It would be some other dummy who stuck around, ignored your terms, and then whined like an infant about their self imposed troubles afterwards.
So in summary, buck up buttercup. I'm here to help you out of your problems. No need to thank me, but please refrain from crying on my boots. It is very unbecoming of you.
Make sure to tell your lawyer that contracts you failed to read don't actually apply.
Then report back.
If you do not agree to the terms, you are not supposed to use the service.
If you are going to complain about the terms actually applying to you, go ahead, but prepare to get laughed out of court.
Or maybe you are correct, in which case, stop paying your mortgage, and claim you never read the paperwork.
If you are correct, there will probably be copious examples of people walking away from contracts unscathed. And people successfully suing companies for claims that are explicitly waived in the ToS.
Those examples will be pouring in any moment, I'm sure. I'll try to prepare myself for the embarrassment.
I certainly do not intend to ignore you, fren. I consider you my ally and believe that you may know something I do not know, and am paying attention so I can potentially learn from you.
My current takeaway is that you are claiming that ToS are unenforceable. I disagree, because I see no evidence that this is the case.
I see the tech giants absolutely trampling on people, because they can. I see no punishments for them. I see the black and white language in the ToS that grants these companies the ability to do what they do. I see literally no one who has litigated successfully in opposition to these terms.
In spirit of hearing you out, I'll use the quote system from now on.
If I seem repetitive, it is because the lesson is imperative. The power to either agree, or disagree, is in our hands. When we agree with tyrants, and use their tyrannical services, we have failed to protect ourselves from tyranny.
These companies are overtly evil. They prey upon us. Yet we flock to them like sheep. This upsets me. We should have the wisdom necessary to avoid clearly negative relationships. Yet we do not.
Why? Because we are too lazy to read the terms that undergird the very relationship that we agree to? Because we cozy up to the abuser, over and over?
This is the way?
The way the "system" is supposed to work, is that the abused cry foul, and then learn their lesson. Fool me once, shame on you. But fool me Facebook, Twitter, Robinhood, {insert endless other examples here} and we eventually must shift the blame onto the fool who continues to act foolishly. Of course these companies are going to abuse us. We willingly bow down and beg for our punishments. We even make up excuses as to why we could not possibly be held responsible for our own anguish.
Because we couldn't be bothered with even the slightest inconvenience of having to read something before agreeing to it? Is that how infantilized we have become?
There is nothing "fine" about it. Which is why you should have never agreed to it in the first place.
Reread that last sentence over and over until you understand. No one forced you to agree to these terms. You did it willingly. That makes you the fool. It also makes the company evil, but that is a given. They told you of their evil intentions, and you went along with it anyway.
Correct. They should have, and it would have. Because they would then say "gee, this is bad" and moved on. Evaluated the competition. Left the tyrants to wither on the vine of irrelevance.
Kind of a non sequitur but to follow it, yes, the system is not in your favor. All the more reason to be extremely diligent and to only support services that are actually worthy of your patronage.
I do not agree to your terms.
See, that was easy. However since I do not need to agree to your terms to use this website, you've created a strawman.
Here's the kicker. If you actually were in charge of this site, and those were your terms, I'd be the person that turned and walked away. It would be some other dummy who stuck around, ignored your terms, and then whined like an infant about their self imposed troubles afterwards.
So in summary, buck up buttercup. I'm here to help you out of your problems. No need to thank me, but please refrain from crying on my boots. It is very unbecoming of you.