I went over to WSB a few days ago, studied the theory, binged on learning how the market works, options etc, and watched wednesday, and felt that it had legs, and jumped in.
It's very interesting there. They lean left but they're not the ideological crazies we're used to and have painted all the left as.
They love memes, joking, but they just lean left because they like what aoc and bernie say, etc. When DJT Jr posted in support it rose quickly and the sentiment was "WTF, this is crazy, but I'll take it."
They're kinda left, but they're open to discussion. I bring up things when I see an opportunity diplomatically, and it always gets a positive response.
There's opportunity for unity here. They are very interesting: A few very intelligent individuals lead the rest, and they ride to die. They organize so much better than us here. It almost makes me feel pathetic for us.
But they lack individual thought somewhat. They can benefit from critical thinking and more logic.
Keep reaching out to them. Stay with it like it's a holy mission. I think you are on to something. We need to heal this fucking wound in our nation and come together to stop the true Marxists from destroying our Republic forever. If these guys can be reasoned with we can bridge the gap and get this done. Good work. I have more hope now than when this conversation started. Thank you.
There’s a guy I work with who leans left. After all this GME shit, I’ve realized we aren’t that different after all; just disagree on Trump (which is pretty big).
A dude at my job also leans left. For most of 2020, he was swallowing everything CNN and MSNBC were shoving down his throat. We disagreed completely. So I kept showing him alt media coverage of the things MSM was lying to him about. Over the course of the last few months, I've slowly red-pilled him to some extent. He now completely sees how MSM lies to and manipulates him, but he still leans left. I think I might have molded a left libertarian out of a left authoritarian, but honestly, I'll take what I can get.
Which is exactly what a retard would say so...good job!
I'm still laughing hysterically over the fact that the WSB psychos have caused the entire financial news industry to have to go over there and read through all their shitposting and it's slowly destroying journos minds as they attempt to write staid, serious articles about "tendies", "diamond hands", and "YOLO".
It's already reached the point that the hedge fundies are now having to invest in paying quants and developers a shitload of overtime to work together to code special software that just crawls the entire WallStreetBets subreddit, counting the number of times a stock name is mentioned in a vain effort to somehow make money off their random, autistic, shit-throwing, ape-like retardation.
It's as if I'm watching the accelerating de-evolution of man in the world's classiest train wreck.
They're left, but the kind of left that say retard and faggot. They're left because they truly believe redistribution of wealth has to be manually forced to be evil and do not see how regulation lead to the class disparity they loathe. Most of them are left in terms of the policies they support, but libertarian in terms of how much they want the government or any kind of authority to be involved in these policies.
They'd hate AOC, etc. if the media didn't do such a good job of selling them the idea AOC is an outsider. It's very much like Trump is for us; their hope for someone who will drain the swamp, and everything else is sideshow circuses.
I thought the same thing. If I was to make a party that could compete with the establishment the patriot party might fall short. The "populist" or anti-establishment is something a large group has in common. Might take a few more million red pills though.
Never mind the generations of slaves that came and went before something changed. In the US slavery didn't even ens because of the slaves, it ended because the nation fought itself to make it happen.
Honestly, I've always thought this was a dumb quote.
Maybe it’s just not a good translation, like it almost makes sense, a slave with nothing to lose may act in desperation and take risks the emperor wouldn’t, the quote doesn’t really imply the slave is more powerful than the emperor
I think you may be onto something with the translation convention. Could be something more nuanced. I always took it to mean the slave is more dangerous when cornered than an emperor, but I'm not even sure how much I believe that when looking back on history.
When you exclude and malign huge swaths of people from the system, and make them feel as though they have no voice and are unimportant, they become disillusioned. What you saw with game stop was some gallows humor. The satire is the first sign. The people no longer care about their future, right now it’s humorous, but soon the anger is going to set in. The memes of poor housing Wall Street is going to turn into hilarious knock out games, and eventually a nasty class struggle.
Glowies I hope you realize the path you set us on. You have millions of young, unemployed and disillusioned men who now have found great satisfaction in fucking with your system.
This should terrify not only Wall Street but the entire political system.
When you sit back and really think about it, the last 5 years have been nothing but angry people fucking with the establishment's systems of power in a display of outrage.
/pol/'s near-constant trolling of the media.
4chan's political shenanigans and memes driving folks to actually take a serious look at Trump to the point where he got elected as President.
WallStreetBets trolling of hedge funds to the tune of a near $20 billion market loss and if they can hold out and keep it up then its possible to crash the entire market if Daddy .GOV doesn't step in and prop it up, which in itself generates an all new cycle of rage.
ANTIFA riots. A party-riot through the Capital Building.
I think the next "bet" is manipulating politicians into fighting with each oth-aaaand we're already there.
We're quickly shorting all of America into the ground.
And with the way society in general has treated me lately, I'm just going to sit back and watch it all burn.
There absolutely are many intelligent people on Wall Street. There are many more intelligent people who are not on Wall Street. They should be very afraid. When people figure out that self-sufficiency is safety as opposed to centralized consumerism which they've been told their entire lives the house of cards falls.
I realized this the other day and told my dad as much when I called him and found myself trying to explain the situation to him. It all sank in that we're witnessing some very real rumblings of a majority populace that is incredibly unhappy and actively looking for ways to topple institutions we've all collectively lost faith and trust in over the last couple of years (depending on where you fall on the political spectrum).
This rage against Wall Street via stocks is one thing, but it's not going to be the only thing, and it's not going to be the last. There is going to be increasing civil disobedience leading to outright rebellion if things continue down this path.
I can afford to do nothing more than sit back and smile at their discomfort, remembering their own words:
Make Them Uncomfortable
So I shall smile as they grow more uncomfortable, which will increase their discomfort... which will increase my grin. You've been exposed, elite.
“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” she said. “You think we’re rallying now? You ain’t seen nothing yet,” Waters said at the event. “Already you have members of your Cabinet that are being booed out of restaurants ... protesters taking up at their house saying ‘no peace, no sleep.’” ~ Maxine Waters | June 2018
This is why they want to disarm the public, silence the public, & rid capitalism. Without capitalism, the crony bullshit waking the masses right now would never have been so exposed.
We (everyday dumbasses) are smarter than “the experts”, “the science”, “the news”, “our leaders”, “the well educated”, etc. They are no better than the weakest among us regular retards. YOU know better than anyone else what’s best for you, & you especially know better than the fraud elites. LIVE FREE!
Oh no, 1984 got it right. Those who didn't comply were physically, emotionally, and psychologically tortured until they actually believed what the party wanted them to believe.
If we don't break this shit soon, they will eventually turn to such tactics to keep us under control.
Well...there was also the whole thing about the “resistance” just being a big old honeypot to lure people into the tortuous re-education camps, but hopefully we’re not quite there yet.
The irony here being it was the corporations themselves that made us dopamine addicts. Freud and his nephew Bernay’s theories are the foundation of all modern propaganda(advertisement) and all of them revolve around creating dopamine dependency.
In prison the guards allow drugs, rape, and gang violence to happen because it keeps control in the prison. The number 1 danger to guards in a prison is when the inmates start working together across racial lines. A united population is the greatest weapon against any oppressor.
I certainly agree that the WSB moves are inspiring, but don't correleate or conflate them with the Q/MAGA movement. separate but equal. The autists are fighting the good fight, so are we, but they are separate fights. try not to assume the two are related.
1984 is like North Korea. Just because it covers an extreme doesn't mean it got this wrong. It's just the sort of "what if people do nothing and let it get this totalitarian".
Not to mention recreational sex being encouraged at fairly young ages. I mean the left even encourages this gender theory nonsense that was created by a dude who literally made twin children perform sex acts.
How much does the average American have to lose until they have nothing. Most Americans are so deep in debt, a homeless person with a dollar is richer.
Nice theory, but 1984 got nothing wrong. The psychology behind it is based on exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. It is completely possible to "break" a nation of people. Maybe America will be different.
There's a scene in 1984 when Winston is first sent to the Ministry of Love. He notices there are two kinds of prisoners: The criminal proles who were arrested, and the political prisoners (like himself). The prole prisoners were aggressive, angry, collectively they even shouted down the telescreen.
The political prisoners sat in the corners by themselves and trembled.
Not to be a doomer, but that whole dopamine thing doesn’t count for half the country (80 MiLLiOn VoTeS!!) being coomers getting their fix from porn, video games and funko pops.
Also, what happens tribally in prison? When you lock folks up, take away freedom and put them in a survival environment what happens? They segregate by race. Whites, blacks, latino, etc. form racial groups to survive. Multiculturism is only a convenient byproduct of rich, stable Western society. But it's a house of cards. We are naturally tribal at our core.
It doesn't take prison environment to figure that out, everyone already clumps to their own races for strength and comfort, when hiring/promoting, minorities will prefer to get someone of the same race, only whites are brainwashed/coerced into diversity bull shit
The thing people misunderstand about 1984 is that the person we are following is not an average Joe.
He is a party member. He is a bureaucrat. The rules and regulations are imposed on the bureaucrats to keep them dependent and strictly loyal to avert attempts at internal sabotage.
The average Joe. The working proletariat is left to their own devices. The proletariat have very few rules, they get to enjoy drugs and porn (which is illegal for party members) they can own stores and have limited form of capitalism available to them,
In 1984 the proletariat lives pretty well. They are ignorant and simply go to work, back home to the wife and kinds and the government doesn't bother them much.
Because the government doesn't have to. The proles when left to their own devices will find ways to distract themselves.
Just like in Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, GDR... the average people not affiliated with the party tried to avoid any interference with politics and were busy with simply living their lives as best as possible, which often was not much more than just surviving. During the Stalin purges the most prolific communist activists were at a higher risk than the small-fry next door (unless the latter was starved to death on purpose, of course)
Have to disagree.
Look at the Chinese people and what the Russian had to endure under Soviet rule.
If you can constantly terrorize your captives, they will comply.
I work in corrections, it's absolutely true. Lockdowns are a last resort to us officers. It just gives us time to sort things out temporariy, not a solution.
The 1984 society was upheld by torture and forcing people to wear a rat cage over their head so they'd be eaten to death starting at the eyeballs.
We aren't quite there yet.
Unironically, the only thing preventing the government from doing this to people is the fact that they are armed. How anyone could study the 20th Century and still trust politicians is beyond my understanding.
This is the truth being spoken. It is referred to as “Downing a Duck.” I also worked corrections. A little respect goes a long way. This is a decent little overview for anyone interested.
It's where Snow in Hunger Games got it right. Hope is more effective than fear but only in small doses, after that, it becomes dangerous. I feel 1984 is the result of a world long after the events of The Hunger Games and not before.
They took away my hopium supply... Imma fuck shit up! ;-)
I went over to WSB a few days ago, studied the theory, binged on learning how the market works, options etc, and watched wednesday, and felt that it had legs, and jumped in.
It's very interesting there. They lean left but they're not the ideological crazies we're used to and have painted all the left as.
They love memes, joking, but they just lean left because they like what aoc and bernie say, etc. When DJT Jr posted in support it rose quickly and the sentiment was "WTF, this is crazy, but I'll take it."
They're kinda left, but they're open to discussion. I bring up things when I see an opportunity diplomatically, and it always gets a positive response.
There's opportunity for unity here. They are very interesting: A few very intelligent individuals lead the rest, and they ride to die. They organize so much better than us here. It almost makes me feel pathetic for us.
But they lack individual thought somewhat. They can benefit from critical thinking and more logic.
Overthinking is my weakness
Honestly, overthinking IS our weakness.
Meanwhile they're DIAMOND HANDS ROCKET SHIPS
and it's working
Keep reaching out to them. Stay with it like it's a holy mission. I think you are on to something. We need to heal this fucking wound in our nation and come together to stop the true Marxists from destroying our Republic forever. If these guys can be reasoned with we can bridge the gap and get this done. Good work. I have more hope now than when this conversation started. Thank you.
There’s a guy I work with who leans left. After all this GME shit, I’ve realized we aren’t that different after all; just disagree on Trump (which is pretty big).
A dude at my job also leans left. For most of 2020, he was swallowing everything CNN and MSNBC were shoving down his throat. We disagreed completely. So I kept showing him alt media coverage of the things MSM was lying to him about. Over the course of the last few months, I've slowly red-pilled him to some extent. He now completely sees how MSM lies to and manipulates him, but he still leans left. I think I might have molded a left libertarian out of a left authoritarian, but honestly, I'll take what I can get.
Sounds like you have paper hands.
toilet paper hands
Ape up!
I'm a diamond handed motherfucker dude
Which is exactly what a retard would say so...good job!
I'm still laughing hysterically over the fact that the WSB psychos have caused the entire financial news industry to have to go over there and read through all their shitposting and it's slowly destroying journos minds as they attempt to write staid, serious articles about "tendies", "diamond hands", and "YOLO".
It's already reached the point that the hedge fundies are now having to invest in paying quants and developers a shitload of overtime to work together to code special software that just crawls the entire WallStreetBets subreddit, counting the number of times a stock name is mentioned in a vain effort to somehow make money off their random, autistic, shit-throwing, ape-like retardation.
It's as if I'm watching the accelerating de-evolution of man in the world's classiest train wreck.
Is overthinking the opposite of critical thinking and logic?
You're overthinking it
😆 damn it
Ideological differences. They are collectivists and we are individualist
I like to think of it as, they are a flock of sheep and we are lone wolves
howls at the moon
They are NOT sheep. They're a hive of killer bees led by the most intelligent leaders of the hive.
They're left, but the kind of left that say retard and faggot. They're left because they truly believe redistribution of wealth has to be manually forced to be evil and do not see how regulation lead to the class disparity they loathe. Most of them are left in terms of the policies they support, but libertarian in terms of how much they want the government or any kind of authority to be involved in these policies.
They'd hate AOC, etc. if the media didn't do such a good job of selling them the idea AOC is an outsider. It's very much like Trump is for us; their hope for someone who will drain the swamp, and everything else is sideshow circuses.
We are all suffering the same pain, but left-leaning still have faith that the government will make their pain go away.
I thought the same thing. If I was to make a party that could compete with the establishment the patriot party might fall short. The "populist" or anti-establishment is something a large group has in common. Might take a few more million red pills though.
The slave is more fearsome than the emperor, because the slave has nothing to lose but his chains.
Never mind the generations of slaves that came and went before something changed. In the US slavery didn't even ens because of the slaves, it ended because the nation fought itself to make it happen.
Honestly, I've always thought this was a dumb quote.
Maybe it’s just not a good translation, like it almost makes sense, a slave with nothing to lose may act in desperation and take risks the emperor wouldn’t, the quote doesn’t really imply the slave is more powerful than the emperor
I think you may be onto something with the translation convention. Could be something more nuanced. I always took it to mean the slave is more dangerous when cornered than an emperor, but I'm not even sure how much I believe that when looking back on history.
Freedoms just another word for ...
Well said!!!
You just summed up the problem perfectly.
I'd like to volunteer my gay butthole to be fucked up.
Isn't that why you have a private camp at Gitmo?
Name checks out.
Won't Big Mike get jealous?
Said something very similar in another thread.
This should terrify not only Wall Street but the entire political system.
When you sit back and really think about it, the last 5 years have been nothing but angry people fucking with the establishment's systems of power in a display of outrage.
/pol/'s near-constant trolling of the media.
4chan's political shenanigans and memes driving folks to actually take a serious look at Trump to the point where he got elected as President.
WallStreetBets trolling of hedge funds to the tune of a near $20 billion market loss and if they can hold out and keep it up then its possible to crash the entire market if Daddy .GOV doesn't step in and prop it up, which in itself generates an all new cycle of rage.
ANTIFA riots. A party-riot through the Capital Building.
I think the next "bet" is manipulating politicians into fighting with each oth-aaaand we're already there.
We're quickly shorting all of America into the ground.
And with the way society in general has treated me lately, I'm just going to sit back and watch it all burn.
There absolutely are many intelligent people on Wall Street. There are many more intelligent people who are not on Wall Street. They should be very afraid. When people figure out that self-sufficiency is safety as opposed to centralized consumerism which they've been told their entire lives the house of cards falls.
That's why they're working on starting new wars.
I realized this the other day and told my dad as much when I called him and found myself trying to explain the situation to him. It all sank in that we're witnessing some very real rumblings of a majority populace that is incredibly unhappy and actively looking for ways to topple institutions we've all collectively lost faith and trust in over the last couple of years (depending on where you fall on the political spectrum).
This rage against Wall Street via stocks is one thing, but it's not going to be the only thing, and it's not going to be the last. There is going to be increasing civil disobedience leading to outright rebellion if things continue down this path.
"Your pain is their addiction."
Always has been.
I watched that movie just a few weeks ago. Fantastic film.
Indeed.
Poke the captive bears...
Powerful statement.
I can afford to do nothing more than sit back and smile at their discomfort, remembering their own words:
Make Them Uncomfortable
So I shall smile as they grow more uncomfortable, which will increase their discomfort... which will increase my grin. You've been exposed, elite.
“If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them and you tell them they’re not welcome anymore, anywhere,” she said. “You think we’re rallying now? You ain’t seen nothing yet,” Waters said at the event. “Already you have members of your Cabinet that are being booed out of restaurants ... protesters taking up at their house saying ‘no peace, no sleep.’” ~ Maxine Waters | June 2018
we're not trapped in here with them, they're trapped in here with us
This is why they want to disarm the public, silence the public, & rid capitalism. Without capitalism, the crony bullshit waking the masses right now would never have been so exposed.
We (everyday dumbasses) are smarter than “the experts”, “the science”, “the news”, “our leaders”, “the well educated”, etc. They are no better than the weakest among us regular retards. YOU know better than anyone else what’s best for you, & you especially know better than the fraud elites. LIVE FREE!
Oh no, 1984 got it right. Those who didn't comply were physically, emotionally, and psychologically tortured until they actually believed what the party wanted them to believe.
If we don't break this shit soon, they will eventually turn to such tactics to keep us under control.
Well...there was also the whole thing about the “resistance” just being a big old honeypot to lure people into the tortuous re-education camps, but hopefully we’re not quite there yet.
Trust no one
One way is to shank the guards.
You are better off convincing the guards that they are inmates too.
The irony here being it was the corporations themselves that made us dopamine addicts. Freud and his nephew Bernay’s theories are the foundation of all modern propaganda(advertisement) and all of them revolve around creating dopamine dependency.
In prison the guards allow drugs, rape, and gang violence to happen because it keeps control in the prison. The number 1 danger to guards in a prison is when the inmates start working together across racial lines. A united population is the greatest weapon against any oppressor.
This will be true on so many levels. We know Ds brought C19.
No one brought C19. It was always just window dressing on tyranny.
You'd think at least in this forum it'd be realized already but no, they keep on legitimizing by peddling this nonsense as a "iT'S a ReAL viRUs"
I certainly agree that the WSB moves are inspiring, but don't correleate or conflate them with the Q/MAGA movement. separate but equal. The autists are fighting the good fight, so are we, but they are separate fights. try not to assume the two are related.
Fuck Q.
Sure, they aren't MAGA (and many would take offense at being mistooken as such). However, realize the strategic value of the enemy of your enemy ...
"This is what 1984 got wrong."
1984 is like North Korea. Just because it covers an extreme doesn't mean it got this wrong. It's just the sort of "what if people do nothing and let it get this totalitarian".
This is why the situation in Brave New World is so much more hopeless than 1984. The people are their own guards in that.
It's by far the more terrifying story.
Not to mention recreational sex being encouraged at fairly young ages. I mean the left even encourages this gender theory nonsense that was created by a dude who literally made twin children perform sex acts.
How much does the average American have to lose until they have nothing. Most Americans are so deep in debt, a homeless person with a dollar is richer.
Like someone taking away the pre teens Xbox! Now they’ve dun it bois!
dopamine dopamine dopamine
Nice theory, but 1984 got nothing wrong. The psychology behind it is based on exactly what happened in the Soviet Union. It is completely possible to "break" a nation of people. Maybe America will be different.
This guy is right. I love Orwell but it’s only happens if no one pushes back.
There's a scene in 1984 when Winston is first sent to the Ministry of Love. He notices there are two kinds of prisoners: The criminal proles who were arrested, and the political prisoners (like himself). The prole prisoners were aggressive, angry, collectively they even shouted down the telescreen.
The political prisoners sat in the corners by themselves and trembled.
Not to be a doomer, but that whole dopamine thing doesn’t count for half the country (80 MiLLiOn VoTeS!!) being coomers getting their fix from porn, video games and funko pops.
Also worked 10 years in corrections. Can confirm.
Pay as less tax as possible. Cryptocurrencies, gold and silver.
Yup. The elites are jumping the gun. Too many ppl were awake when they forced Biden down our throats
Also, what happens tribally in prison? When you lock folks up, take away freedom and put them in a survival environment what happens? They segregate by race. Whites, blacks, latino, etc. form racial groups to survive. Multiculturism is only a convenient byproduct of rich, stable Western society. But it's a house of cards. We are naturally tribal at our core.
It doesn't take prison environment to figure that out, everyone already clumps to their own races for strength and comfort, when hiring/promoting, minorities will prefer to get someone of the same race, only whites are brainwashed/coerced into diversity bull shit
And learning to code gives you access to next level problem solving.
The thing people misunderstand about 1984 is that the person we are following is not an average Joe.
He is a party member. He is a bureaucrat. The rules and regulations are imposed on the bureaucrats to keep them dependent and strictly loyal to avert attempts at internal sabotage.
The average Joe. The working proletariat is left to their own devices. The proletariat have very few rules, they get to enjoy drugs and porn (which is illegal for party members) they can own stores and have limited form of capitalism available to them,
In 1984 the proletariat lives pretty well. They are ignorant and simply go to work, back home to the wife and kinds and the government doesn't bother them much.
Because the government doesn't have to. The proles when left to their own devices will find ways to distract themselves.
Just like in Nazi Germany, Soviet Union, GDR... the average people not affiliated with the party tried to avoid any interference with politics and were busy with simply living their lives as best as possible, which often was not much more than just surviving. During the Stalin purges the most prolific communist activists were at a higher risk than the small-fry next door (unless the latter was starved to death on purpose, of course)
Trotski has entered the chat.
No he did not. He has never entered the chat.
Tears addict here. I'll be the first to admit I have a probldm
Have to disagree. Look at the Chinese people and what the Russian had to endure under Soviet rule. If you can constantly terrorize your captives, they will comply.
They never had freedom.
Pain is weakness leaving the body. We're saving them. 😉
70 years of Soviet union, 40 years of GDR... yeah, people will eventually rise up but they're incredibly patient.
There is a name for this effect...
The Invisible Hand
More people need to read Adam Smith
Trump should have been more like Micheal Corleone. IMO.
Correct - because fuck them.
I work in corrections, it's absolutely true. Lockdowns are a last resort to us officers. It just gives us time to sort things out temporariy, not a solution.
The 1984 society was upheld by torture and forcing people to wear a rat cage over their head so they'd be eaten to death starting at the eyeballs.
We aren't quite there yet.
Unironically, the only thing preventing the government from doing this to people is the fact that they are armed. How anyone could study the 20th Century and still trust politicians is beyond my understanding.
Hue hue hue hue
They're fuckin around, getting ready to find out
Ain't getting my steady supply of salt, watch out!
This is the truth being spoken. It is referred to as “Downing a Duck.” I also worked corrections. A little respect goes a long way. This is a decent little overview for anyone interested.
https://www.corrections1.com/staff-misconduct/articles/how-inmates-manipulate-correctional-officers-gCmbflIEe3ro0kz2/
Those people are quickly taken care of though. The newer generations never knew freedom, never had that 'dopamine addiction'.
I like this type of thinking though.
Burn all their toys to include their hedge funds.
6-5
It's where Snow in Hunger Games got it right. Hope is more effective than fear but only in small doses, after that, it becomes dangerous. I feel 1984 is the result of a world long after the events of The Hunger Games and not before.
It’s true. I put money into GME 100% intending to lose every penny if that is what is required to screw them over
Your pain becomes my new addiction... and I'm a junkie. (Laughs in evil)