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posted ago by Sgt-Pepper1 ago by Sgt-Pepper1 +168 / -0

The Hunt brothers in the late 79-80, made a huge play against silver, both physical and futures. As the price rose from $10 to $50, the COMEX changed the rules, limited futures buying and ordered a silver sell only decree. CFTC promptly backed the decree. Of course the price of silver fell off a cliff. The Hunts, who did nothing illegal, accused members of holding short positions on silver, which later was proven true. Their brokerage, Bache (now Prudential Bache) was part of an emergency bail out plan approved by Paul Volker (Fed chair at the time) as he "feared a financial disaster". COMEX, CFTC, Fed Chair, multi-billion $ bailout, Hunt brothers forced in bankruptcy... same shit, different decade.

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residue69 3 points ago +3 / -0

Something I posted earlier today on wsbets.win that nobody read:

We can't forget the Hunt brothers.

The inside story of how the Hunt brothers cornered the silver market

It's a saga that almost sounds fictional but it's the real-life story of two American wealthy brothers who cornered the silver market and caused the price of silver to rocket from $2 an ounce (all currency US) to more than $50 an ounce.

the silver futures market bottomed out by a third to $10.80. Around two months earlier, these contracts had been trading at four times that amount. The Hunts had put up oil and gas leases, real estate, coal leases, antiques, even a Mercedes and a Rolex, and lost them all, as the Seattle Times notes. The report adds: "A $180 million judgment against them pushed the Hunts into bankruptcy. All Bunker Hunt had left from his billions were a few million, a stable of racehorses and a $90 million tax bill to be paid over a 15-year period." In the words of then CFTC chief James Stone, as Priceonomics writes, the Hunts’ antics had threatened to blast a hole in the “financial fabric of the United States” like nothing had in decades. Writing about the entire episode a year later, Harper’s Magazine described Silver Thursday as “the first great panic since October 1929.”

How the Hunt Brothers Cornered the Silver Market and Then Lost it All

But as the high prices persisted, new silver began to come out of the woodwork.

“In the U.S., people rifled their dresser drawers and sofa cushions to find dimes and quarters with silver content and had them melted down,” says Pirrong, from the University of Houston. “Silver is a classic part of a bride’s trousseau in India, and when prices got high, women sold silver out of their trousseaus.”

Unfortunately for the Hunts, all this new supply had a predictable effect. Rather than close out their contracts, short sellers suddenly found it was easier to get their hands on new supplies of silver and deliver.

“The main factor that has caused corners to fail [throughout history] is that the manipulator has underestimated how much will be delivered to him if he succeeds [at] raising the price to artificial levels,” says Pirrong. “Eventually, the Hunts ran out of money to pay for all the silver that was thrown at them.”

Of course, maybe there isn't any more silver hidden in the woodwork this time around. They can still change the rules of the game, though.

Even though the rules were changed, the Hunt brothers themselves played a large part in their demise.

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BannedbyRed 3 points ago +3 / -0

🤨 sell only?

How can I sell if no one is allowed to buy?

..... what they mean is “only WE” are allowed to buy, and YOU are only allowed To sale

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V2021 3 points ago +4 / -1

2008 they stopped allowing the shorting of banking stocks too.

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mintscape 2 points ago +2 / -0

Gold and silver have always been a farce in the markets, the volumes traded are much more than the actual physical quantities available for delivery.

I wonder if WSBs will realize this one day and start to go after gold and silver? The banks have manipulated precious metals for decades.

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residue69 3 points ago +3 / -0

They're talking about going after physical silver right now, but the discussion is being diluted by posters trying to steer others to mining stocks and ETFs.

It's good to bring up the Hunt brothers so people can learn the history and not repeat their failure.

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mintscape 2 points ago +2 / -0

but the discussion is being diluted by posters trying to steer others to mining stocks and ETFs.

I think that is a huge weakness with a place like WSBs, so many scumbags will see them as a group to pump stocks to. It's inevitable now they have so much attention and some of the pumpers will be highly organized with many people that have many fake accounts.

They will need to be buying futures to really go after silver but they are not going to be able to get physical delivery when using a retail broker and they will need to know about how to roll a futures contract at month end also.

Mining is a waste to time to move the price of silver, ETFs that hold the physical asset or the future can work but there will be a lag, plus can you really see WSBs understanding contango and backwardation?

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nutspanther 3 points ago +3 / -0

There is actually a big push for pumping silver on WSB

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jackneefus 2 points ago +2 / -0

The Hunt Brothers were trying to corner the market, which would have allowed them to control the price of silver and drive it through the roof. This is not technically illegal in itself, but there are complex laws involving deceptive practices around price manipulation.

I never realized banning buys but not sells had been done before. Although you do have to wonder -- who were the sellers selling to?