I'm out of the loop. Most of what he's said has been pretty straight (I haven't listened to him really recently). What has he done/said that indicated otherwise?
it isn’t really what he has been saying. what he says is pretty good mostly. the problem with him is he claims to be the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink, but when Trump was screwed during the 2020 election, Tucker tucked his balls between his legs and avoided any conversation of election fraud. when people should have been discussing all the voting irregularities, fox’s primetime voices were nowhere to be found. now that biden is in, fox is back trying to be the voice of the right. it is all so disingenuous and repulsive.
I think we have to be kind of careful in how quickly we turn on people. To play devil's advocate, let me offer the following possibility:
Tucker Carlson may be a good-faith MAGA man. But he has corrupt-as-fuck producers that tell him in no uncertain terms can he question the 2020 election. So now TC has a choice to make. Hold his nose and agree to the unfair terms? It sucks ass, and it's wrong... but it would allow him to stay on the air and continue to fire redpills into the masses.
Or tell them to jam their own foot up their ass and walk off, ending the Tucker Carlson show and letting Fox be entirely subsumed by the leftists.
Now, I'm not saying one of these options is right and one is wrong. I'm saying calling him a traitor may be unfair. This isn't like Ben Shapiro saying the Capitol Protest was "The worst thing I've seen since 9/11" This is TC being put in a really shitty position and trying to do his best with the cards he has been dealt.
i have no doubt there was external pressure put on him and others at the network. it is all so gross though. how many times has tucker insisted that his show was his show and that he was free to say exactly what he wanted? maybe that was the case when he said it, but it is no longer true now. that is the bothersome part. he lost the trust of many viewers. he might be 100% right in whatever scathing diatribes he offers from now on, but what i will always remember is how he was silent when it mattered most.
Sadly, yes. It's disgustingly gross. And it feels like the closer you look at it the more filth you see.
And you're completely entitled to feeling that way. I'm just trying to voice that sometimes even the "good guys" can't be the spotless champions we wish them to be.
i get you. i am not really an absolutist when it comes to people in media. i can listen to different people and separate out what is useful, true, opinion, or garbage. honestly, what happened with fox may turn out to be a good thing as it allows people to expand their circle of influences. i want people to get to a point where they can find their own way when given information and not rely on analysis from corporate voices. i think we have been slowly heading that way and it is nice to see.
I agree and also wonder if some of the Tucker hate here is manufactured. We are literally surrounded by enemies and traitors. Why take the time and effort to bash Tucker ahead of all the others?
Tucker is still very effectively passing out red pills.
its pretty suspicious... there were a ton of good and simple questions most people had that nobody on tv was asking. like why are the cases all being thrown out before any evidence can be presented? if all of the vote jumping we witnessed live on election night was because of clerical errors, how do you explain every swing state in an election having clerical errors at the same time? why did the counters in georgia start counting after sending everybody home due to a burst water pipe? just a few off the top of my head. nobody asked.
I don't deny that the whole thing is absolutely getting thrown under a rug when it's the biggest theft in the history of America. I make no attempt to explain any of it besides saying, "Corrupt as fuck people were paid to game the system against the GEOTUS. Trump fucking won. The end."
But I'm trying to explain the likeliest reason why he, specifically, hasn't covered it. It may not be his choice. And personally? If my options were to say "fuck it" and walk out, or to stay in and continue to try to use my platform to drop as many redpills as I could? I would pick the latter.
Notice how he never just says, "Democrats did X bullshit" he always says, "The powers that be" or "The elite" or "Those that control these things"? It's his quiet way of saying, "You should be looking at the GOP for this bullshit too" without having his platform yanked out from beneath his feet.
I don't know, I think he's like most and just doesn't want to jump ship yet. I really don't spend too much time thinking about it though. Sometimes I watch a clip of his if I see it come up, sometimes I'll watch a cnn clip. Just about being observant.
I think that, sometimes in our zeal and wish for everything to be set right, we get mad at people for not burning it all down so we can just start over already. And it's really understandable. I totally get it.
But we also have to realize that people have families to feed. Loved ones to protect. Futures to secure. And that demanding that they sacrifice their lives to "water the tree" just isn't realistic right this second. In a few years when shit really hits the fan? Maybe then. But instead of demanding our champions immolate themselves in the town square we should make the more humble appeal, "Do what you can with what you have."
It's an appeal we always make to those of us without money or power. "I know you don't own a company or have money to throw around, but do what you can for the MAGA movement. Say a kind word or wear a hat." But our expectations for people like Tucker go sky-high and we say, "Why aren't you doing more?"
Instead we should try to judge them by their hearts. I personally think Tucker's is in the right place and he's probably doing what he can while working in an increasingly hostile corporation.
Compare this to Ben Shapiro (whose quote I mentioned earlier) and we can very quickly see his heart is not, and never has been, with the MAGA movement (To the surprise of very few). And as such we should hold him in a critical view.
Side note: In regards to elected politicians? I think we should absolutely hold them accountable. Rand Paul saying the Capitol Protest was un-American is unforgivable in my eyes. The RINOs should all be out of a job. McCain was an abject traitor and Crenshaw is nothing but McCain 2.0.
Tucker lost me when he addressed the controversy of Fox News not covering the election fairly and for him to call out Fox or resign. With he big smirk on his face, he said that he wasn't going to resign or criticize Fox. Fox actually offered him more time (and money) and he was proud to announce the expansion of his show.
Right after the election - he spoke about America being a nice place to live. Zero about the MASSIVE CRIMINAL FRAUD. Fox controls them - Fox is corrupt.
I won't watch a clip of him.
I stopped watching him when he joined in on the China Flu fear mongering bandwagon last year.
Tucker never appreciated Trump's achievements. That's why Trump never called into his show.
Tucker is as damaged as Glenn Beck sticking his face in a bowl of Cheetos.
When people started talking about him more I knew he was controlled opposition
No people that really go against the narrative get jobs at mainstream news networks
screw this guy
I'm out of the loop. Most of what he's said has been pretty straight (I haven't listened to him really recently). What has he done/said that indicated otherwise?
it isn’t really what he has been saying. what he says is pretty good mostly. the problem with him is he claims to be the sworn enemy of lying, pomposity, smugness, and groupthink, but when Trump was screwed during the 2020 election, Tucker tucked his balls between his legs and avoided any conversation of election fraud. when people should have been discussing all the voting irregularities, fox’s primetime voices were nowhere to be found. now that biden is in, fox is back trying to be the voice of the right. it is all so disingenuous and repulsive.
I think we have to be kind of careful in how quickly we turn on people. To play devil's advocate, let me offer the following possibility:
Tucker Carlson may be a good-faith MAGA man. But he has corrupt-as-fuck producers that tell him in no uncertain terms can he question the 2020 election. So now TC has a choice to make. Hold his nose and agree to the unfair terms? It sucks ass, and it's wrong... but it would allow him to stay on the air and continue to fire redpills into the masses.
Or tell them to jam their own foot up their ass and walk off, ending the Tucker Carlson show and letting Fox be entirely subsumed by the leftists.
Now, I'm not saying one of these options is right and one is wrong. I'm saying calling him a traitor may be unfair. This isn't like Ben Shapiro saying the Capitol Protest was "The worst thing I've seen since 9/11" This is TC being put in a really shitty position and trying to do his best with the cards he has been dealt.
also, how can you call people poll observers if they aren't even being allowed to observe?
You can't. You call it a damn traitorous felony on the people preventing those observers from observing.
i have no doubt there was external pressure put on him and others at the network. it is all so gross though. how many times has tucker insisted that his show was his show and that he was free to say exactly what he wanted? maybe that was the case when he said it, but it is no longer true now. that is the bothersome part. he lost the trust of many viewers. he might be 100% right in whatever scathing diatribes he offers from now on, but what i will always remember is how he was silent when it mattered most.
Sadly, yes. It's disgustingly gross. And it feels like the closer you look at it the more filth you see.
And you're completely entitled to feeling that way. I'm just trying to voice that sometimes even the "good guys" can't be the spotless champions we wish them to be.
i get you. i am not really an absolutist when it comes to people in media. i can listen to different people and separate out what is useful, true, opinion, or garbage. honestly, what happened with fox may turn out to be a good thing as it allows people to expand their circle of influences. i want people to get to a point where they can find their own way when given information and not rely on analysis from corporate voices. i think we have been slowly heading that way and it is nice to see.
I agree and also wonder if some of the Tucker hate here is manufactured. We are literally surrounded by enemies and traitors. Why take the time and effort to bash Tucker ahead of all the others?
Tucker is still very effectively passing out red pills.
its pretty suspicious... there were a ton of good and simple questions most people had that nobody on tv was asking. like why are the cases all being thrown out before any evidence can be presented? if all of the vote jumping we witnessed live on election night was because of clerical errors, how do you explain every swing state in an election having clerical errors at the same time? why did the counters in georgia start counting after sending everybody home due to a burst water pipe? just a few off the top of my head. nobody asked.
I don't deny that the whole thing is absolutely getting thrown under a rug when it's the biggest theft in the history of America. I make no attempt to explain any of it besides saying, "Corrupt as fuck people were paid to game the system against the GEOTUS. Trump fucking won. The end."
But I'm trying to explain the likeliest reason why he, specifically, hasn't covered it. It may not be his choice. And personally? If my options were to say "fuck it" and walk out, or to stay in and continue to try to use my platform to drop as many redpills as I could? I would pick the latter.
Notice how he never just says, "Democrats did X bullshit" he always says, "The powers that be" or "The elite" or "Those that control these things"? It's his quiet way of saying, "You should be looking at the GOP for this bullshit too" without having his platform yanked out from beneath his feet.
I don't know, I think he's like most and just doesn't want to jump ship yet. I really don't spend too much time thinking about it though. Sometimes I watch a clip of his if I see it come up, sometimes I'll watch a cnn clip. Just about being observant.
I think that, sometimes in our zeal and wish for everything to be set right, we get mad at people for not burning it all down so we can just start over already. And it's really understandable. I totally get it.
But we also have to realize that people have families to feed. Loved ones to protect. Futures to secure. And that demanding that they sacrifice their lives to "water the tree" just isn't realistic right this second. In a few years when shit really hits the fan? Maybe then. But instead of demanding our champions immolate themselves in the town square we should make the more humble appeal, "Do what you can with what you have."
It's an appeal we always make to those of us without money or power. "I know you don't own a company or have money to throw around, but do what you can for the MAGA movement. Say a kind word or wear a hat." But our expectations for people like Tucker go sky-high and we say, "Why aren't you doing more?"
Instead we should try to judge them by their hearts. I personally think Tucker's is in the right place and he's probably doing what he can while working in an increasingly hostile corporation.
Compare this to Ben Shapiro (whose quote I mentioned earlier) and we can very quickly see his heart is not, and never has been, with the MAGA movement (To the surprise of very few). And as such we should hold him in a critical view.
Side note: In regards to elected politicians? I think we should absolutely hold them accountable. Rand Paul saying the Capitol Protest was un-American is unforgivable in my eyes. The RINOs should all be out of a job. McCain was an abject traitor and Crenshaw is nothing but McCain 2.0.
Tucker lost me when he addressed the controversy of Fox News not covering the election fairly and for him to call out Fox or resign. With he big smirk on his face, he said that he wasn't going to resign or criticize Fox. Fox actually offered him more time (and money) and he was proud to announce the expansion of his show.
Liz Cheney can try and make the excuse why she didn't know there was election fraud, "I only watched ABC and Fox."
What is Carlson going to say? "I only watched ABC and Fox."
LoL!
Right after the election - he spoke about America being a nice place to live. Zero about the MASSIVE CRIMINAL FRAUD. Fox controls them - Fox is corrupt. I won't watch a clip of him.
And, I actually do wear a bow-tie!
And, I'm not CIA, heck no I'm not!