So get this, right
He says to me, he says, “AOC was right to call out Ted Cruz because he incited violence on the 6th with Trump”
So I say “That’s bullshit, he didn’t do anything and neither did Trump”, as you do
To that he says, “Well I don’t wanna argue that with you, I’d need more research”
I say, “So you don’t know if he did anything wrong, you’re just saying it”
He says, “no but he did though”
Like. A. Brick. Wall.
You attract more flies with honey than vinegar. I've been going through the same nonsense with a buddy of mine for like a year now and I've realized the more I try to push him in the right direction, the more he staunchly opposes it.
I’m not a great speaker, I’m not articulate and I have trouble keeping my cool. Maybe I’m not the guy to debate people.
It just sucks to be right but unable to convince someone of it.
You aren't alone brotha (edit: or sista lol sorry for assuming your gender REEE)... I've said more things that I regret to my buddy out of rage than I'm proud of. I just finally decided he was a grown ass man and he should be awarded an equal right as myself to learn the truth or not. I'll do my best to lead people to water, and from here on try my best not to drown them with my self righteous rage.
Actually I am a "zir" please get it right
If you’re trying to convince some, you need to get them to ‘discover’ the idea themselves. Give them the research too decided themselves. When attacked people tend to dig their heels in just out of an emotional response.
Convincing someone to change their view vs winning the argument.
Sometimes they are the same but not always.
I'm currently reading a book by James Lindsay called "How to Have Impossible Conversations". I also really struggle with getting my point across in constructive ways but it has been helpful to me. Lindsay's Joe Rogan Experience podcast is also quite hilarious. It's ep 1501 if you'd like to check it out; I know Joe Rogan isn't popular here but James Lindsay more than makes it worth your time in this particular episode.
I can relate. I tend to get angry too in the face of liberal stupidity and you will always lose an argument if you get angry. The best way to argue with liberals is to use Socratic dialectic. Just keep questioning them until their argument breaks down and keep your own opinions to yourself. Lefties don’t listen to other people’s opinions but you can take advantage of this by letting them talk. The more they talk the more mistakes they make. Keep pointing out their mistakes and ask them to clarify. This will drive them insane. The trick is to not get involved directly but make them sound like idiots.
Just challenge him to find what trump said to incite. He'll keep finding him say peaceful. It's fun to watch the cognitive dissonance.
He’ll look for 15 minutes then give up and say, “I know he said something I just can’t find it.”
A better way is to show him the Trump tweets that @jack deleted because of the horrible insurrection incitement. You know, the ones calling for love and peace?
Why would tweets calling for peace be spoken about in such a manner.. by political opponents who have called for 'bodies in the streets' for the last four years?
Dude, I've found that most conversations that turn into discussions or arguments involve one side knowing more information than the other, and the unknowing side trying to make excuses for it.
You then play the human mind game of Stratego, slowly witling away their bullshit.
This is the case like 90% of the time. I put it to the test constantly in politics because it's REALLY easy to do, seeing how most of it is reported as hyperbole and that's what people see, not the actual facts.
Bonus round: he used the old “Very fine people” bullshit on me and I explained that that was taken out of context, and he said
“Oh so he’s saying that not all the white supremacists were bad, some were very fine people”
You can’t make this shit up folks, the programming is strong
Get him to watch the speech himself and then tell you what he thinks Trump said. If he insists on the "white supremacists are fine people" you can completely ignore his opinion from then on in good conscience, he might just be too stupid to understand anything.
You need better roommates
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The left is the party of cognitive dissonance.
I had a liberal roommate in college that I used to argue with frequently. My advice to you is to do what I did; punch him in the face and fuck his future wife without a condom while they are dating. You can't argue with stupid. But you can fuck their girlfriends.
Well, he’s gay so... I’d rather not.
My brain hurts....
He trusts AOC. You need a new roommate.