The people there were not out to destroy property or people as a reflection of their desire to destroy our country—as is the intent of the leftists riots. The people there wanted to confront their elected representatives on the occasion of them acting against the will of their electorates. They wanted to observe this occasion. However, their elected representatives were terrified of actually being observed by their people and were hiding in tunnels and bunkers. Thus, breaching the Capitol and staring in awe and reverence at the artwork and architecture of the country they love. Legislators nowhere to be found. Kind of a beautiful image actually, an infinitely powerful force easily entering what should be the world’s most impregnable sanctuary, only to tip toe gently and without damaging anything when they realized their goal could not be met within.
But it resulted in nothing we could use, but gave them a whole lot they could use. That's what I mean about it being pointless. I think categorizing it as "an attack" is a joke. But strategically, even if we endorsed it (I mean, we do, the legislators who claim to represent us don't), the objective wasn't met. Kind of like how Vietnam was pointless. If you don't accomplish even some of your goals while handing initiative to the enemy, you've done something pointless.
It gave us plenty we could use. People just didn't use it. Our rallying cry should be "January 6th" right now. It also prompted them to turn D.C. into a giant military base. That is playing out much worse for them than for us.
We're the only ones who see a problem in DC going back to Civil War footing though. The average person on the street who generally goes with consensus opinion (the media's opinion) is either indifferent or they believe the narrative, because it doesn't impact them. Or they're rabid Dems who think they just witnessed the Beer Hall Putsch. Until the reality of this situation impacts the majority of Americans negatively, it's not going to be a thing. I foresee this being exactly what you say in the future though. It's just patience. No need to interrupt your enemy while they're making mistakes. And the establishment has been making a lot of mistakes. They've grown complacent.
What part of what I said is inaccurate? Because from what I've seen, Pence did fuck all. Objective 1, not met. Biden was sworn in. Objective 2, not met. While the average person believes it was the Beer Hall Putsch from being facefucked with disinfo. I think it can be a rallying point in the future, but it has little use right now. Other than showing everyone how polite you were taking an unguided tour of the Capitol.
Yes, I have seen those. I've also videos of people getting into shoving contests with Capitol police trying to get over the barricade. The point is, this is a handicap in the short term that could potentially turn into an advantage in the future. Yet right now, we have two things happening. 1) The fence sitter, the tie breaker in the cultural war, leans towards us being domestic terrorists. 2) It forced the hand of Congress to militarize the shit out of the District. Something the fence sitter, does not care about because it does not affect the fence sitter. We are a vocal minority, even among the 80 million who voted for Trump. Even Trump disagrees with what happened.
There's nothing wrong with having a nuanced opinion. You can agree with overall sentiment, it doesn't mean you have to be delusional about the feedback the event received by everyone else who isn't an ardent Trump supporter already. And as I've said, it can be used to an advantage at some point, maybe. But what is certain is that it has in the short term, impacted our cause negatively. Especially when Trump himself said the "seat of American democracy was defiled." And said nothing positive about Ashli Babbitt, nor was he remotely outraged that she was shot. That's not exactly showing it was a W in the short term.
That's a lot of word salad for someone who's just trying to defend a fagboi position. Trump also pushed for bump stocks to be banned, pushed for red flag laws until he was convinced to abandon that position, and he pushed lockdowns on us.
He isn't a messiah and I can in fact disagree with things he says even though he's one of the greatest presidents we've ever had.
Protestors entering the capitol building because their vote was denied them, because justice was denied to them, is the most american thing in the fucking world. And anyone who shits on those protestors whether it's you, or trump, or cruz, or schumer, or biden, or anyone is wrong as fuck.
Rush Limbaugh was right, before he was censored. We didn't obtain freedom through politeness, we didn't abolish slavery through politeness.
A patriot died in there, through no fault of her own. They had no right to shoot her. And you absolute cunty FAGGOTS just can't stop bitching about the whole thing. You're the worst kind of ally: The loser-minded kind.
Dude I'm not shitting on Ashli Babbitt. I agree with the sentiment that caused the Capitol incident happen. I'm saying if Trump himself is coming out and saying things like that, how the fuck do you expect to have any kind of support for anything outside of this little bubble? Did Lexington and Concord happen the day after the Boston Massacre? No. It didn't. John Adams even represented the Redcoats.
What I am saying, is that if you're going to do something that is going to get you painted as a domestic terrorist by even the figurehead of the movement, either don't do it or go all the way and stop walking among the ropes in the lobby and start making your way to the basement to drag people out (obviously being hypothetical this isn't the ideal option of the two). You are right in it being American as fuck. I'm just trying to say that if we want to turn this into a positive instead of the fence sitting clusterfuck we have now, we have to wait. There will be a time when it will become the Boston Tea Party of our generation. But we can't pretend that it didn't push more people away from us than brought them closer (regardless of how that happened). And that's fine.
We just need to be patient until people outside of this bubble we've set up, see that we have a point. We're on the same side and we can reflect on what happened and the resulting fallout without getting all emotional and shit about it. And yes, I would like it if more of these spineless RINOs stood up and challenged the "insurrection" narrative. I'm just analyzing the situation as we have it right now, not what it should be. You play poker with the hand you're dealt, not the hand you want.
The issue has never been optics. It was their operation that accomplished their goals on their timeline while we accomplished nothing beneficial to us.
It's not being a shill or a coward to look back in hindsight, realize we got played, and learn from the experience.
I have a much better opinion of the people who stormed the capitol than I do of the current members of the GOP (or anyone in government at the moment). Change my mind.
Ashli Babbit deserves far greater recognition on this site. Anyone trying to distance themselves / us from her is a cowardly, disloyal faggot as far as I’m concerned.
I mean that picture of all the patriots with american and trump flags on the steps of the capitol is priceless. That is forever no matter how hard they try to erase it from the internet. That moment of their retreat is ours.
The reason they freaked out so much is because they considered themselves invincible, but a handful of gray haired boomers were able to shove their way into their sanctum.
The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and before this battle was over, that even a god-king can bleed.
"Looking through the opponents lens" is kinda a necessity when the ENTIRE FUCKING MEDIA is owned by the opponent.
The first course of action would be to change that dynamic and eliminate their power to frame everything. Until then, we're not winning any optic wars. No matter how much you "claim" or "own" something.
To be honest I was praying it was the start. The next 4 years is going to be rough waters. The same governors who allowed cheating will still be in office.
You want people to own a setup? The horned dude is going to testify against you and they used this whole thing as a pretext to legalize voter fraud
The optics arent the problem you moron, but the result
The people there were led through the building in order to build a narrative that will now be used against you and you achieved nothing
If it was a real storming of the capitol by right wingers it would be with guns and it would all be over
That is the only actual take away from this: the field was open for the taking and we didn't take it, we took selfies and followed the retards that were setting us up
There was no army to stop you, the amount of patriots that had a camera could clearly overwhelm any force with guns, instead they got photos of Babbit getting shot in the neck
They were led by Antifa/BLM operatives, just to do... what? Take selfies and pull the equivalent of some Fraternity Pledge-Week prank, Let's be honest - it was, on balance, a bullshit stunt. January 6 was not an insurrection, it was a LARP. Worse still, it was a LARP that cost some people their lives. That is why no one should take any pride in it.
January 6th was a fuck-up of the first order, but not because of *muh OpTiKz!' I say that because from now on, you will not get the opportunity to get that close to Congress ever again. Because now, they're doing a full-court press on every right we have, and turning DC into an armed camp. Not like they needed an excuse, but handing them one without doing any actual change in the process wasn't the smartest thing we ever did as a movement.
It'd be easier to countenance this activity from DC if it came as the result of a few heads on pikes and bodies swinging from lamp-posts, but because of a LARP? If you're going to assault a building, then fucking assault it.
I won't entertain the glowies by describing what I think should have happened on 1/6, but GEOTUS did say emphatically we should only peacefully protest (Nota Bene: B&E is not a method to peacefully protest), and that his words should have been respected.
Apologies, but the frustration has been there for a long time now...
I agree. But I do think breaching just to play patty cake in the lobby was pointless.
The people there were not out to destroy property or people as a reflection of their desire to destroy our country—as is the intent of the leftists riots. The people there wanted to confront their elected representatives on the occasion of them acting against the will of their electorates. They wanted to observe this occasion. However, their elected representatives were terrified of actually being observed by their people and were hiding in tunnels and bunkers. Thus, breaching the Capitol and staring in awe and reverence at the artwork and architecture of the country they love. Legislators nowhere to be found. Kind of a beautiful image actually, an infinitely powerful force easily entering what should be the world’s most impregnable sanctuary, only to tip toe gently and without damaging anything when they realized their goal could not be met within.
But it resulted in nothing we could use, but gave them a whole lot they could use. That's what I mean about it being pointless. I think categorizing it as "an attack" is a joke. But strategically, even if we endorsed it (I mean, we do, the legislators who claim to represent us don't), the objective wasn't met. Kind of like how Vietnam was pointless. If you don't accomplish even some of your goals while handing initiative to the enemy, you've done something pointless.
It gave us plenty we could use. People just didn't use it. Our rallying cry should be "January 6th" right now. It also prompted them to turn D.C. into a giant military base. That is playing out much worse for them than for us.
We're the only ones who see a problem in DC going back to Civil War footing though. The average person on the street who generally goes with consensus opinion (the media's opinion) is either indifferent or they believe the narrative, because it doesn't impact them. Or they're rabid Dems who think they just witnessed the Beer Hall Putsch. Until the reality of this situation impacts the majority of Americans negatively, it's not going to be a thing. I foresee this being exactly what you say in the future though. It's just patience. No need to interrupt your enemy while they're making mistakes. And the establishment has been making a lot of mistakes. They've grown complacent.
You obviously werent there.
What part of what I said is inaccurate? Because from what I've seen, Pence did fuck all. Objective 1, not met. Biden was sworn in. Objective 2, not met. While the average person believes it was the Beer Hall Putsch from being facefucked with disinfo. I think it can be a rallying point in the future, but it has little use right now. Other than showing everyone how polite you were taking an unguided tour of the Capitol.
Did you not see the videos of police opening up the barricades themselves and arm waving them to come in? There was no beach, IT WAS AN INVITATION
Yes, I have seen those. I've also videos of people getting into shoving contests with Capitol police trying to get over the barricade. The point is, this is a handicap in the short term that could potentially turn into an advantage in the future. Yet right now, we have two things happening. 1) The fence sitter, the tie breaker in the cultural war, leans towards us being domestic terrorists. 2) It forced the hand of Congress to militarize the shit out of the District. Something the fence sitter, does not care about because it does not affect the fence sitter. We are a vocal minority, even among the 80 million who voted for Trump. Even Trump disagrees with what happened.
“I agree but I’m going to go ahead and disagree like a fagboi”
There's nothing wrong with having a nuanced opinion. You can agree with overall sentiment, it doesn't mean you have to be delusional about the feedback the event received by everyone else who isn't an ardent Trump supporter already. And as I've said, it can be used to an advantage at some point, maybe. But what is certain is that it has in the short term, impacted our cause negatively. Especially when Trump himself said the "seat of American democracy was defiled." And said nothing positive about Ashli Babbitt, nor was he remotely outraged that she was shot. That's not exactly showing it was a W in the short term.
That's a lot of word salad for someone who's just trying to defend a fagboi position. Trump also pushed for bump stocks to be banned, pushed for red flag laws until he was convinced to abandon that position, and he pushed lockdowns on us.
He isn't a messiah and I can in fact disagree with things he says even though he's one of the greatest presidents we've ever had.
Protestors entering the capitol building because their vote was denied them, because justice was denied to them, is the most american thing in the fucking world. And anyone who shits on those protestors whether it's you, or trump, or cruz, or schumer, or biden, or anyone is wrong as fuck.
Rush Limbaugh was right, before he was censored. We didn't obtain freedom through politeness, we didn't abolish slavery through politeness.
A patriot died in there, through no fault of her own. They had no right to shoot her. And you absolute cunty FAGGOTS just can't stop bitching about the whole thing. You're the worst kind of ally: The loser-minded kind.
Dude I'm not shitting on Ashli Babbitt. I agree with the sentiment that caused the Capitol incident happen. I'm saying if Trump himself is coming out and saying things like that, how the fuck do you expect to have any kind of support for anything outside of this little bubble? Did Lexington and Concord happen the day after the Boston Massacre? No. It didn't. John Adams even represented the Redcoats.
What I am saying, is that if you're going to do something that is going to get you painted as a domestic terrorist by even the figurehead of the movement, either don't do it or go all the way and stop walking among the ropes in the lobby and start making your way to the basement to drag people out (obviously being hypothetical this isn't the ideal option of the two). You are right in it being American as fuck. I'm just trying to say that if we want to turn this into a positive instead of the fence sitting clusterfuck we have now, we have to wait. There will be a time when it will become the Boston Tea Party of our generation. But we can't pretend that it didn't push more people away from us than brought them closer (regardless of how that happened). And that's fine.
We just need to be patient until people outside of this bubble we've set up, see that we have a point. We're on the same side and we can reflect on what happened and the resulting fallout without getting all emotional and shit about it. And yes, I would like it if more of these spineless RINOs stood up and challenged the "insurrection" narrative. I'm just analyzing the situation as we have it right now, not what it should be. You play poker with the hand you're dealt, not the hand you want.
The rule is to take at least 12 communists with you.
Great comment! Spot on!
Everything we say or do is "bad optics" when you are looking through the propagandist lens of the corporate conglomerate fake news media cartel.
It was bad optics. Backing off before removing all of Congress was a bad look for us.
This. Instead of following the morons and then just taking selfies it should have been what we wanted the army to do.
Optics are irrelevant, agreed.
The issue has never been optics. It was their operation that accomplished their goals on their timeline while we accomplished nothing beneficial to us.
It's not being a shill or a coward to look back in hindsight, realize we got played, and learn from the experience.
I have a much better opinion of the people who stormed the capitol than I do of the current members of the GOP (or anyone in government at the moment). Change my mind.
While everyone was raising hell at the Capitol Building I snuck into The Bureau of Engraving and Printing and printed some Commerative Stamps.
Nice one!
Ashli Babbit deserves far greater recognition on this site. Anyone trying to distance themselves / us from her is a cowardly, disloyal faggot as far as I’m concerned.
I mean that picture of all the patriots with american and trump flags on the steps of the capitol is priceless. That is forever no matter how hard they try to erase it from the internet. That moment of their retreat is ours.
The reason they freaked out so much is because they considered themselves invincible, but a handful of gray haired boomers were able to shove their way into their sanctum.
"screw your optics"
"Looking through the opponents lens" is kinda a necessity when the ENTIRE FUCKING MEDIA is owned by the opponent. The first course of action would be to change that dynamic and eliminate their power to frame everything. Until then, we're not winning any optic wars. No matter how much you "claim" or "own" something.
To be honest I was praying it was the start. The next 4 years is going to be rough waters. The same governors who allowed cheating will still be in office.
Spot on. The normies and shills are all outing themselves.
You want people to own a setup? The horned dude is going to testify against you and they used this whole thing as a pretext to legalize voter fraud
The optics arent the problem you moron, but the result
The people there were led through the building in order to build a narrative that will now be used against you and you achieved nothing
If it was a real storming of the capitol by right wingers it would be with guns and it would all be over
That is the only actual take away from this: the field was open for the taking and we didn't take it, we took selfies and followed the retards that were setting us up
There was no army to stop you, the amount of patriots that had a camera could clearly overwhelm any force with guns, instead they got photos of Babbit getting shot in the neck
Which then they were blames for
They were led by Antifa/BLM operatives, just to do... what? Take selfies and pull the equivalent of some Fraternity Pledge-Week prank, Let's be honest - it was, on balance, a bullshit stunt. January 6 was not an insurrection, it was a LARP. Worse still, it was a LARP that cost some people their lives. That is why no one should take any pride in it.
January 6th was a fuck-up of the first order, but not because of *muh OpTiKz!' I say that because from now on, you will not get the opportunity to get that close to Congress ever again. Because now, they're doing a full-court press on every right we have, and turning DC into an armed camp. Not like they needed an excuse, but handing them one without doing any actual change in the process wasn't the smartest thing we ever did as a movement.
It'd be easier to countenance this activity from DC if it came as the result of a few heads on pikes and bodies swinging from lamp-posts, but because of a LARP? If you're going to assault a building, then fucking assault it.
I won't entertain the glowies by describing what I think should have happened on 1/6, but GEOTUS did say emphatically we should only peacefully protest (Nota Bene: B&E is not a method to peacefully protest), and that his words should have been respected.
Apologies, but the frustration has been there for a long time now...
The only error made was in leaving.