Republican party is forever tainted, time to start fresh not try to salvage anything. I sure as shit ain't a republican anymore and have no intention to vote for any from this point on, they are more dead to me then AT&T.
That's not true. This party was born from Lincoln the greatest president in US history. Don't let the bushes and the McConnells distract you from the Reagans and the Roosevelts and the Trumps of this party
Washington was greater than Lincoln. He rejected a chance a personal power after leading the war against tyranny personally. And he also warned us about political parties.
Anyway, the rot is deep through this government. Clever maneuvering will not be enough, no matter how we approach the question of political parties.
The corruption is too entrenched for reform, remember that the party wouldn't let Trump run unless he picked Pence for VP, who then proceeded to stab him in the back every step of the way...
We need to takeover the republican party from within, or else it'll split the vote
Republicans would take away around 10% of our popular vote in a hypothetical presidential race(since we'd get a large majority of the republican voterbase to switch to us), costing us in key swing states because most of the voter base would switch to the patriot party, but not everyone. Taking over the republican party from within retains the entire republican voterbase, so there isn't a risk of losing the vote to pussies who don't want to switch over or the average moderate who may vote republican, but wouldn't make the jump over to the patrot party
I think an America First/Patriot congressional faction is the way to go, and then under the banner of a republican party that follows trumpism
so there isn't a risk of losing the vote to pussies who don't want to switch over or the average moderate who may vote republican
If your movement relies on people like that then you already lost. It's not like it matters anyway, are you ignoring the fact that what actually costs us in swing states is them cheating?
The Party is an inanimate object. It's people who deserve our disdain, not a thing.
I've never been a Republican but would consider it if its leadership had integrity.
You are really starting out behind the 8-ball if you start your own party. The Libertarians have been trying for years to get on the debate stage, but are thwarted at every turn. It's not that easy.
That's because libertarians and their ideas are retarded and nobody likes them. How many people like Trump and his ideas which were already tried and tested? Saddling yourself with the GOP, whose entire purpose is to lose, isn't just starting out behind the 8-ball but remaining behind it forever. Trump already did the heavy lifting with breaking people out of that trap, we have the numbers, all that'd be left is to organize things. Then all the retarded establishment theater like the "debates" become as irrelevant as Biden's ghost-town rallies.
Not to be argumentative, but I don't agree with your assessment of the LP being DS controlled. It is dysfunctional for different reasons.
I've been involved at the national level and walked away after observing and drawing the conclusion that they are unable/unwilling to do what it takes to be a serious party.
It’s really easy to get involved in local party politics. The vast majority of people here are all talk, waiting for some mystical force to form a new party and we’ll just churn out memes and vote like before. If every one of us showed up at local GOP meetings and ran for our precinct’s committeeman/woman slot, we’d actually start to tap into our influence.
The problem is that it is more than "a few bad apples". The entire orchard is rotten to the core, save no more than maybe a half dozen trees. There is no repairing that. The only solution to such a conundrum is to burn down the whole thing and plant everything from scratch.
Ok, go ahead and start your party that will fail miserably then. Get on the repainted Trump train, or get run over because it’s full steam ahead. We are the base.
I can’t deal with 3rd partiers anymore. I want you to know that we are all pedes, but tough love at this point.
The donors are leaving. They can see the RINOs are going extinct. Did you not see how dozens of Bush officials LEFT the GOP today. They know we have the momentum, and a third party will go the same way as Parler. Bet every penny on it.
If you don't want a split vote then I suggest you GOP holdouts come over to patriot town because you're the ones splitting the vote. I'm fine with "losing" like we've been losing for my entire life, so long as it means a bunch of GOP faggots lose office and the people wake up to the illusion.
We won 2016. Remember? And it was because of Trump using the GOP even though he was not a traditional Republican. This isn’t personal, it’s just strategy.
You’re in the minority here bud, not me. I’m putting sensible strategies, not lashing out by creating a third party that will go the same way of parler.
Honest question here... how exactly do you think the republican party can be saved at this point? They have zero credibility, at least we know what we're getting with democrats, they will come right out and call for their evil agendas. Republicans are playing phony opposition. Trump on the ticket or not, the republican party is as good as dead
You are correct when you say the party is in chaos, but chaos is a ladder my friend. Get in touch with your local GOP, (which are much more pro-Trump than at the federal level) and volunteer. Say America first rhetoric, and they will be receptive.
dude we are gonna make the republican party the patriot party
Republican party is forever tainted, time to start fresh not try to salvage anything. I sure as shit ain't a republican anymore and have no intention to vote for any from this point on, they are more dead to me then AT&T.
That's not true. This party was born from Lincoln the greatest president in US history. Don't let the bushes and the McConnells distract you from the Reagans and the Roosevelts and the Trumps of this party
Washington was greater than Lincoln. He rejected a chance a personal power after leading the war against tyranny personally. And he also warned us about political parties.
Anyway, the rot is deep through this government. Clever maneuvering will not be enough, no matter how we approach the question of political parties.
Trump is hardly a fucking RepubliCUNT. The party fucking kicked Trump out as quickly as they could.
Which is why we kick them out. It's our house, and our apparatus. The Rino's can go make their own party.
The corruption is too entrenched for reform, remember that the party wouldn't let Trump run unless he picked Pence for VP, who then proceeded to stab him in the back every step of the way...
Your just spitting out words. Lincoln wasn’t who you think he was, and which Roosevelt, one was a racist Progressive
Pretty obvious he meant Teddy Roosevelt.
Lincoln was a tyrant.
The party of Eisenhower, Nixon, and Reagan. Marjorie Taylor Greene, Gaetz, Trump, Boebert, Gosar, Biggs, Mastriano, DeSantis, Paxton, Noem.
Not everyone is a McConnell and the Patriot Party could easily be tainted by PINOs
And all they can say about 2024 is they will be “neutral” on President Trump.
Fuck them. No more.
gop is already the third party.
We need to takeover the republican party from within, or else it'll split the vote
Republicans would take away around 10% of our popular vote in a hypothetical presidential race(since we'd get a large majority of the republican voterbase to switch to us), costing us in key swing states because most of the voter base would switch to the patriot party, but not everyone. Taking over the republican party from within retains the entire republican voterbase, so there isn't a risk of losing the vote to pussies who don't want to switch over or the average moderate who may vote republican, but wouldn't make the jump over to the patrot party
I think an America First/Patriot congressional faction is the way to go, and then under the banner of a republican party that follows trumpism
Agree
This is the correct answer folks... do not pull votes from the R candidates, pull from the Ds
If your movement relies on people like that then you already lost. It's not like it matters anyway, are you ignoring the fact that what actually costs us in swing states is them cheating?
"We just need to do this and this, guys"
"We just need to win a big enough landslide to counter the fraud, guys"
Reminder that Trump gained well over 10 million votes from 2016 to 2020.
As long as secret algorithms are used to count the votes, the fix is in.
The Party is an inanimate object. It's people who deserve our disdain, not a thing.
I've never been a Republican but would consider it if its leadership had integrity.
You are really starting out behind the 8-ball if you start your own party. The Libertarians have been trying for years to get on the debate stage, but are thwarted at every turn. It's not that easy.
That's because libertarians and their ideas are retarded and nobody likes them. How many people like Trump and his ideas which were already tried and tested? Saddling yourself with the GOP, whose entire purpose is to lose, isn't just starting out behind the 8-ball but remaining behind it forever. Trump already did the heavy lifting with breaking people out of that trap, we have the numbers, all that'd be left is to organize things. Then all the retarded establishment theater like the "debates" become as irrelevant as Biden's ghost-town rallies.
The Libertarians are not a party for Libertarians, but a puppet party controlled by the DS.
Not to be argumentative, but I don't agree with your assessment of the LP being DS controlled. It is dysfunctional for different reasons.
I've been involved at the national level and walked away after observing and drawing the conclusion that they are unable/unwilling to do what it takes to be a serious party.
How do you intend to vote out the swamp that controls the party on the local level?
It’s really easy to get involved in local party politics. The vast majority of people here are all talk, waiting for some mystical force to form a new party and we’ll just churn out memes and vote like before. If every one of us showed up at local GOP meetings and ran for our precinct’s committeeman/woman slot, we’d actually start to tap into our influence.
How's the Reform Party doing now days? Bull Moose?
The problem is that it is more than "a few bad apples". The entire orchard is rotten to the core, save no more than maybe a half dozen trees. There is no repairing that. The only solution to such a conundrum is to burn down the whole thing and plant everything from scratch.
THIS
Negative
Trump seems to be moving in this direction with the meeting with Kevin and the new PAC.
Patriot Party in Georgia was already denied by Trump when they used his name / FEC committee without permission.
if Trump wants to make the Republican party over, it would seem reasonable to follow him.
A valid Patriot Party (not the Georgia guy, if he was scamming) helps too.
Maybe you're the one who was never "our guy"
deal with it or fuck off rino hunt
Ok, go ahead and start your party that will fail miserably then. Get on the repainted Trump train, or get run over because it’s full steam ahead. We are the base.
I can’t deal with 3rd partiers anymore. I want you to know that we are all pedes, but tough love at this point.
The deep state is not giving you thr Republican Party. Pence and the others are raising money to keep you out. Good luck chumps
The donors are leaving. They can see the RINOs are going extinct. Did you not see how dozens of Bush officials LEFT the GOP today. They know we have the momentum, and a third party will go the same way as Parler. Bet every penny on it.
There is no third party if the GOP dies.
Big facts.
If you don't want a split vote then I suggest you GOP holdouts come over to patriot town because you're the ones splitting the vote. I'm fine with "losing" like we've been losing for my entire life, so long as it means a bunch of GOP faggots lose office and the people wake up to the illusion.
We won 2016. Remember? And it was because of Trump using the GOP even though he was not a traditional Republican. This isn’t personal, it’s just strategy.
You’re in the minority here bud, not me. I’m putting sensible strategies, not lashing out by creating a third party that will go the same way of parler.
Honest question here... how exactly do you think the republican party can be saved at this point? They have zero credibility, at least we know what we're getting with democrats, they will come right out and call for their evil agendas. Republicans are playing phony opposition. Trump on the ticket or not, the republican party is as good as dead
You are correct when you say the party is in chaos, but chaos is a ladder my friend. Get in touch with your local GOP, (which are much more pro-Trump than at the federal level) and volunteer. Say America first rhetoric, and they will be receptive.
Why not take some pain for a few years to start a party instead of trying to patch up this shit show
Agreed, push that message
Dude, it’s going to take DECADES for a new party to gain popular support, and by then you and I both know that this country will be GONE by then.
lol. We'll get'em this time!
Not possible the RNC is entrenched in the swamp. Gotta start a new party and destroy RNC.