MODS: Please sticky. Patriots.win users could be paying money to a scam, and it could hurt our cause.
Let me preface this by saying I do think the election was stolen, and I do think there is a chance Scorecard+Hammer might exist. I'm pretty sure Mike Lindell is genuine and not knowingly involved in any scam. Most of the allegations and guests he had on his "Absolute Truth" video I actually believe. EXCEPT for Mary Fanning and her spreadsheet. As an IT guy, that thing smells. Anybody can make a spreadsheet, and for that to be what it claims, I'm going to need more information about the source, methods, etc. used to make that spreadsheet. So technically, that's suspect.
BUT, add to that, that Mary Fanning has had this on http://TheAmericanReport.org for a while. That site lists the source as https://blxware.org/, which mentions it has data from Edra Blixseth's Federal and State sources. https://www.electionrecords.com/scorecard/index.html I'm going to set aside the fact that the sites just look highly unprofessional - maybe somebody just slapped them up. But on electionrecords.com, there is a donate button. Donations go to https://givesendgo.com/GXBZ , which lists Dennis Montgomery as the recipient, personally. Here is wikipedia for Dennis Montgomery, which outlines several scams going back to the 90s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_L._Montgomery
Now, I'm not one to trust wikipedia implicitly. Maybe Dennis has been set up and really in the right in all these scams going back to 1998. OR maybe the easy explanation is true: he's a scammer and is running another scam here. The easy way for him to prove he is legit is to publicly post the data, sources, and methodology used for the claims on his site. Instead we see a video of some map, and video of a spreadsheet and some shitty websites.
IF it is a scam, you know how MSM will spin it. Not just this scam, but also the other claims of fraud will be lumped into a "money making scheme". Dennis will be in jail, Mike will be ridiculed, and that will be that.
Bottom line is I would not pay any money to Dennis Montgomery or believe those particular Mary Fanning claims without way more evidence than what is presented.
wasn't a ton of this data posted here in real time by people who were digging into it on election "week"?
No. Not what this spreadsheet is claiming. I've been on here since reddit. I've seen lots of theories, data, etc. The "true" data we have that shows fraud is: mail in ballot data from PA, voter records compared to death records, video and affidavits of shipped in fake ballots, the antrim report showing deleted logs, and statistical evidence based on election tallies (ie "the spike"). There is plenty of reason to doubt the election. But I have not seen real packet captures of the actual fraud traffic, which is what this video-of-a-spreadsheet claims to summarize.
Layperson here: is it even possible at this point to get the real packet captures of actual fraud traffic? Isn't that something you'd need to do in real time?
Otherwise wouldn't all that data be scrubbed by now?
I mean, in theory a packet capture could have been saved by some patriot and is sitting on drives somewhere. But just to do that at a national - really international- scale is a NSA type task. If you look at Dennis Montgomery, Mary Fanning, and the Blixseths, they do at claim to have some intelligence community ties. Dennis’s previous scams involve intelligence services. So it really comes down to “do you believe Dennis Montgomery has access to NSA packet captures and has published truthful claims based on that data on electionrecords.com?”
Thanks for the perspective. I can't bring myself to trust a known fraudster but I'll leave a crack in the door. People better positioned than I can take what Lindell has put together and confirm the data and bring lawsuits to light.
I said it in another answer to you (possibly more than once) that if you want to put together a separate, professional aggregate site I'll help with the front end. I'm angry and would like to funnel that energy into something positive but I'm not a back end person.
What you remember is the Edison data, which was live election night data feeding, among others, the New York Times website's live reporting, where our guys (primarily) got it from as well.
What this post, and Mike Lindell's "bombshell" is about, purports to be a different data set of foreign actors allegedly attacking computers involved in the election via credential and/or firewall breach, and changing the votes that way.
None of our guys have claimed the latter was either the case, or needed at all to explain Dominion vote tampering. While the data-based Dominion allegations are more than positively true, this alleged attack data appears to be misinformation.
It wasn't just edison data though, and perhaps nobody here suspected that it was being done via foreign nations, but it was all the same stuff, no? it would certainly explain how every swing state had "clerical" errors and voting irregularities that we all witnessed live.
Let me clarify further.
I hope this helps. In summary, nobody argues that the switches and glitches we've seen are not real fraud, I believe. They most probably are. But breaching into election center computers was both unlikely and unnecessary when Dominion could just handle the fraud as part of its inherent design.