yea but it took a combined effort of the Entire planet to bring Germany down, what a fucking heroic effort it was. In time, ppl will find out that Germany is shrouded in deception and lies. Read what JFK said about Hitler in his Diary or even General George S. Patton
Or better yet, since Hitler's plan was originally to invade east, and was only forced west by brinksmanship on the part of the west, it would have been better England and France just let Russia and Germany destroyed each other. Would have sucked for Poland and Czechoslovakia, but not any worse than it already sucked for them.
If Hitler had plans to invade the East first, then he would have invaded the East first. Period. Point blank. You don't go to the sea by way of the moon.
THEN Britain and France declared war on Germany, then Hitler attempted to secure a peace treaty with England and France after Poland fell, but Britain and France refused(somewhat understandably)
Then Hitler invaded the west.
His plan was to invade Russia and sell off the stolen land to repay the debts he had taken on building up Germany. He had backed himself into a corner where that was the only way to repay his financiers. If the money ran out he would have faced too much internal resistance. Looting France ended up staving that off for a while anyway, but Russia was actually seen as the softer target before 1940.
The Nazis would have been a preferable ally over the Communists, given that Communism has a broader and longer lasting appeal and has killed more people than Nazism.
Nazism was a threat to parts of Europe. Communism is a threat to the entire world that is resurgent today in the west.
Hitler fucked up with the Holocaust and with the push for Lebensraum. Outside of that, absolutely preferable to the alternative, and even arguably in spite of those given the many millions Communism has killed and the ongoing destruction to human well being, progress, and life it continues to effect to this very day.
Communism and National Socialism are just opposite sides of the same exact coin. Both are antithetical to allowing those who choose to believe differently to exist.
Infinite tolerance only allows the intolerance of others to rule over you and thus brings about one's own destruction.
You have to draw a line somewhere and fight to defend your principles and arguably your people, or you will be replaced by those more willing to fight for theirs.
National Socialism drew that line in defense of its own people, culture, history, etc.
You can bitch about the economic aspect of it, but it's inarguably far superior to international socialism.
Again, unless you want to commit suicide, or you're one of the inferior or degenerate groups who wishes to subvert the people for your own interests. (Mass immigration, destruction of the nuclear family, pedophiles, LGBTQIA+, destruction of whites via mass admixture enabled by the aforementioned mass immigration, etc.)
Ultimately that's what it comes down to. Either having the will to defend your people, or accept that you will die. You WILL be replaced by people with a stronger desire to promote and protect their ideology, and to promote and protect their people. They will come in, have more babies than you, enact laws that promote and protect their interests over yours, and you will be replaced via a war of attrition because you are too weak and degenerate to defend yourselves.
This is what we see happening RIGHT FUCKING NOW in Europe, as the more "open" idiots in countries like Sweden, England, France, Germany, etc are replaced via mass immigration, with accordant rises in terrorism, violence, loss of freedoms, rapes, assaults, robberies, etc... now these people are losing their way of life, the freedoms they took for granted only a generation ago, women being forced to dress far more modestly, afraid to go out alone, cities becoming third world slums... while countries like Hungary and Poland, who refused to allow that internationalism to occur have seen a rise in their birth rates, NO terrorism, national unity, pride, safety and security, etc.
I'd choose Poland in a HEARTBEAT over the "diverse" hell hole western Europe is ALREADY transitioning to and has been for several years now.
Give me a strong nationalism ANY day.
Again, we can argue about the economic aspects, and how far we want to shift between capitalism and socialism (social democracy, semi-socialized, nationalization of key industries, etc).... but nationalism vs internationalism... NOT EVEN ARGUABLE IN THE SLIGHEST.
I'm not a Nazi, nor would I advocate for Nazism or even necessarily another brand of national socialism, as I believe socialism itself to be a socioeconomic policy doomed to failure, and always doomed to failure at least until some possible future where we might create a post scarcity society based on technology. Until then it will always fail.
So I don't support either.
My defense of national socialism only goes so far as to point out its superiority over international socialism, as the latter intentionally seeks to destroy nations, ethnic groups, history, cultures, etc. It wants to abolish borders and usher in a global melting pot where everyone and everything is forced to be "equal" in outcome. Things like homogeneous racial or ethnic groups get in the way of this, national pride, in-group preferences, biological differences between men and women or different groups, the nuclear family, literally simply loving your own children more than those of your neighbor, etc.
International socialism wants to destroy all those things.
National socialism defends your people, your home, your history, your culture, your family.
It is preferable in that sense.
But it would be even better to simply restrict the socialist aspect into a regulated free market, capitalist system. Preserve your people, culture, history, etc... but don't go into the absurd equality of outcome crap that leads down the Marxist rabbit hole of denying reality, crushing innovation and competition, removing all motivation to achieve greatness, promoting victimhood and revenge, etc.
If anything Hitler led to White Guilt, but I'm sure that communist would just use imperialism as their main excuse then to let millions of Third World Savages into our homelands.
Europe IS destroying itself, because Hitler was a delusional megalomaniac.
People today are so religiously "never again" that they've tipped the scale, the table it's on and the whole continent into the other direction, using many of the same tactics oppressive regimes throughout history used, including the Nazis.
Where did he say they were easier to control? He said that they and their religion had a fighting spirit. That's kind of the opposite of saying they'd be easier to control.
Hitler's views on Islam are a matter of controversy. On the one hand, Hitler privately demeaned ethnic groups he associated with Islam, notably Arabs, as racially inferior. On the other hand, he also made private and public statements expressing admiration for what he perceived to be the militaristic nature of Islam and the political sharpness of the Prophet Muhammad.
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During a meeting with a delegation of distinguished Arab figures, Hitler learned of how Islam motivated the Umayyad Caliphate during the Islamic invasion of Gaul. According to Minister of Armaments and War Production Albert Speer, Hitler wished that the Caliphate had won the Battle of Tours against the Franks in 732: "The Mohammedan religion would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?" "Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers — already, you see, the world had fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing was Christianity ! — then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies heroism and which opens the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so." According to Speer, Hitler was convinced that had Islam taken root in central Europe at this time, the Germanic people would have become the "heirs of that religion" with Islam being "perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament". Hitler said that while the Arabs, on account of their "racial inferiority", would have been unable to handle the harsh climate and conditions of the region, and that instead the Islamized Germans would have "stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire". A "religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and in subjugating all nations to that faith".
Notwithstanding Hitler's apparent admiration for Islam and Muhammad, and his willingness to work with Arab political leaders, he viewed Arabic people as racial and social inferiors. Speer acknowledged that in private, Hitler regarded Arabs as an inferior race and that the relationship he had with various Muslim figures was more political than personal.
Hitler was also quoted in the early war years stating, "We shall continue to make disturbances in the Far East and in Arabia. Let us think as men and let us see in these peoples at best lacquered half-apes who are anxious to experience the lash."
None of that supports the idea that Hitler would have welcomed mass immigration of Arabs and Africans into Germany or even Europe.
He merely felt that Islam as a religious/political ideology seemed more suited to the warrior spirit of the German people than the meekness of Christianity.
Except that National Socialism has a much better chance of being effective within a homogeneous population than does International Socialism, which sought to destroy nations, destroy peoples through open borders, destroy culture, history, and values via that mass immigration and attacks on things like the family, etc.
Yes both are socialism, but at least National Socialism wouldn't expressly destroy your people, culture, and history while wrecking your economy.
Did not Germany and the German people get destroyed by the nazis? The nazis wanted Gotterdammerung at the end rather than admit defeat (which they blamed on the failings of their people, not taking responsibility for the debacle themselves), and it was only the sense of self-preservation that finally made people turn aside from their ridiculous monomania. And much that had been great and good was lost thanks to the nazis. Socialism kills, no matter what kind it is.
That's as wrong as people who beat a dog until it bites back and then using that as an excuse to kill the dog and then blaming the dog for it, ignoring what led it to bite in the first place or how justified it was in that action.
People most definitely went hungry and an invasion did happen -- killed by a Russian, killed by a Somali...either way, you're dead (and your gov't. failed to protect you because they were never about the people).
operatorstorm712 They went hungry because the allied powers bombed all the food supplies, then everyone cries about the j3ws looking all starved to death. allied powers dropped fire bombs on civilian targets, i consider this far worse than the claimed holocaust. or was the fire bombings of german citizens considered the holocaust but we have all been deceived ? Holocaust : An ancient Greek word meaning ''Mass burnt sacrifice'' did any jews die from fire? nope did German women and children die from fire? Yes
It's a bit stupid to blame the Nazis for what the Communists did, as the Nazis were specifically trying to prevent the Communist invasion, which would have happened even sooner if not for the Nazis fighting against it. In fact it was in large part the rise of Communism in Germany that led to the vicious street battles that eventually turned into the Nazi party.
The communists, as part of their plan of revolutionary INTERNATIONAL communism, directly supported mass immigration, the destruction of borders, nations, homogeneous peoples, etc.
NATIONAL socialism stood in direct opposition to this as a defense of the unity of a nation's people and defense of their history, their culture, etc.
Equating the foreign invasion ENFORCED by communism to the foreign invasion Nazis FOUGHT AGAINST as a core principle is basically fucking retarded.
Look at the nazis' socio-economic platform. It is the same as communism. It has a nationalist flavor, but it's the same thing. And, it led to the same results. Socialism never works, no matter what it's flavor.
Socialism doesn't work. But National Socialism at least doesn't intentionally work to destroy one's own people, culture, and history like international socialism does.
Thus Nazism, while still an arguably doomed to failure economic system, is still vastly superior to the International Socialism of Marxism and the communists.
It was that fight over the national vs international aspects that drove the war, as the communists were driving west to destroy those countries, Poland having fought a fierce battle only around 20 years earlier to halt the destruction of Europe, but the battle to destroy Europe had waged on, leading to the fierce street battles in Germany itself that led to the response and rise of Nazism to defend the German people and nation from those foreign invaders working to destroy Germany itself and force an international revolution etc.
One has to intentionally ignore that key and massive foundational aspect of the clash between the Nazis and the Soviets to try to argue that there was no difference.
It's like saying there's no difference between men and women because both are human.
If the ''Good guys'' won world war 1 and 2 then why is the world run by evil pedophile billionaires? Hitler was right about the weaponized media, he was right about the international banksters. A great civilization was lost but now...you all can see that it is possible to manipulate the minds of the masses with weaponized media, if they could pull off an American election theft and a RONA hoax world wide do you think it is perhaps possible the holocaust was manufactured ? i urge you all to look on a map and find out the exact locations of EVERY claimed gas chamber death camp. You will then notice they are ALL on the communist (USSR) Side of the Iron curtain. a small detail that will red pill you, NO ONE KNEW ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST UNTIL 6-12 MONTHS AFTER WW2 ENDED. THINK LONG & HARD ABOUT THAT. (I understand if some of you are shocked by my comment but I only care about the truth even if it offends ppl) Check out a documentary called Adolf Hitler : The greatest story never told
Yep, great watching, also read up on holodomor in the Soviet Union, an even greater massacre of Christian ethnic Russians by the bolsheviks, it’s sick how history has been written after the fact. No one cares about the actual facts. Good for you @teflondon
Yes sir. Don’t fret about what people think. Too many brainwashed people to history regardless of having taken the “red pill”. We are not lemmings nor sheep, we can see history for the truth it is. If ever in doubt about these questions, go and see what the Judaics say about their own actions on the Jewish encyclopedia. They admit themselves. They want and crave the credit. Just the truth is all the matters.
EU is most definitely worse. At least ideologically, the Nazis wanted to created a homogenous society and elevate their own ethnic group. I'm not Aryan or German, or even Anglo-Saxon, but I can see the objective usefulness of doing that.
The EU, on the other hand, wants to dilute their own people by importing a different people. This makes it hard for the population to ever revolt, because the different groups will be played against each other. There will also be no common understanding of values, because values will be different. The EU is essentially trying to degenerate rather than elevate its population, so that the oligarchs can easily control society.
This idea does not require or assume that the imported population is inferior, only that they are different and come from worse backgrounds.
The National Socialists lost the battle, and the Communists won the eventual war.
yea but it took a combined effort of the Entire planet to bring Germany down, what a fucking heroic effort it was. In time, ppl will find out that Germany is shrouded in deception and lies. Read what JFK said about Hitler in his Diary or even General George S. Patton
Hitler isn't a hero, and he never will be. As far as I'm concerned, it's just unfortunate that we didn't let Europe destroy itself.
Or better yet, since Hitler's plan was originally to invade east, and was only forced west by brinksmanship on the part of the west, it would have been better England and France just let Russia and Germany destroyed each other. Would have sucked for Poland and Czechoslovakia, but not any worse than it already sucked for them.
If Hitler had plans to invade the East first, then he would have invaded the East first. Period. Point blank. You don't go to the sea by way of the moon.
He did invade the east first.
Really? I missed reading about that part in history. Maybe you can show it to me.
https://www.timetoast.com/timelines/hitlers-invasions
Annexed Czech (east)
Then invaded Poland (east)
THEN Britain and France declared war on Germany, then Hitler attempted to secure a peace treaty with England and France after Poland fell, but Britain and France refused(somewhat understandably)
Then Hitler invaded the west.
His plan was to invade Russia and sell off the stolen land to repay the debts he had taken on building up Germany. He had backed himself into a corner where that was the only way to repay his financiers. If the money ran out he would have faced too much internal resistance. Looting France ended up staving that off for a while anyway, but Russia was actually seen as the softer target before 1940.
The Nazis would have been a preferable ally over the Communists, given that Communism has a broader and longer lasting appeal and has killed more people than Nazism.
Nazism was a threat to parts of Europe. Communism is a threat to the entire world that is resurgent today in the west.
Hitler fucked up with the Holocaust and with the push for Lebensraum. Outside of that, absolutely preferable to the alternative, and even arguably in spite of those given the many millions Communism has killed and the ongoing destruction to human well being, progress, and life it continues to effect to this very day.
Communism and National Socialism are just opposite sides of the same exact coin. Both are antithetical to allowing those who choose to believe differently to exist.
Infinite tolerance only allows the intolerance of others to rule over you and thus brings about one's own destruction.
You have to draw a line somewhere and fight to defend your principles and arguably your people, or you will be replaced by those more willing to fight for theirs.
National Socialism drew that line in defense of its own people, culture, history, etc.
You can bitch about the economic aspect of it, but it's inarguably far superior to international socialism.
Again, unless you want to commit suicide, or you're one of the inferior or degenerate groups who wishes to subvert the people for your own interests. (Mass immigration, destruction of the nuclear family, pedophiles, LGBTQIA+, destruction of whites via mass admixture enabled by the aforementioned mass immigration, etc.)
Ultimately that's what it comes down to. Either having the will to defend your people, or accept that you will die. You WILL be replaced by people with a stronger desire to promote and protect their ideology, and to promote and protect their people. They will come in, have more babies than you, enact laws that promote and protect their interests over yours, and you will be replaced via a war of attrition because you are too weak and degenerate to defend yourselves.
This is what we see happening RIGHT FUCKING NOW in Europe, as the more "open" idiots in countries like Sweden, England, France, Germany, etc are replaced via mass immigration, with accordant rises in terrorism, violence, loss of freedoms, rapes, assaults, robberies, etc... now these people are losing their way of life, the freedoms they took for granted only a generation ago, women being forced to dress far more modestly, afraid to go out alone, cities becoming third world slums... while countries like Hungary and Poland, who refused to allow that internationalism to occur have seen a rise in their birth rates, NO terrorism, national unity, pride, safety and security, etc.
I'd choose Poland in a HEARTBEAT over the "diverse" hell hole western Europe is ALREADY transitioning to and has been for several years now.
Give me a strong nationalism ANY day.
Again, we can argue about the economic aspects, and how far we want to shift between capitalism and socialism (social democracy, semi-socialized, nationalization of key industries, etc).... but nationalism vs internationalism... NOT EVEN ARGUABLE IN THE SLIGHEST.
Ummm, you do realize that between you National Socialists and Communists, you both have managed to kill the most white people in history?
With friends like you, white people don't need enemies. You're doing all the extermination for them.
I'm not a Nazi, nor would I advocate for Nazism or even necessarily another brand of national socialism, as I believe socialism itself to be a socioeconomic policy doomed to failure, and always doomed to failure at least until some possible future where we might create a post scarcity society based on technology. Until then it will always fail.
So I don't support either.
My defense of national socialism only goes so far as to point out its superiority over international socialism, as the latter intentionally seeks to destroy nations, ethnic groups, history, cultures, etc. It wants to abolish borders and usher in a global melting pot where everyone and everything is forced to be "equal" in outcome. Things like homogeneous racial or ethnic groups get in the way of this, national pride, in-group preferences, biological differences between men and women or different groups, the nuclear family, literally simply loving your own children more than those of your neighbor, etc.
International socialism wants to destroy all those things.
National socialism defends your people, your home, your history, your culture, your family.
It is preferable in that sense.
But it would be even better to simply restrict the socialist aspect into a regulated free market, capitalist system. Preserve your people, culture, history, etc... but don't go into the absurd equality of outcome crap that leads down the Marxist rabbit hole of denying reality, crushing innovation and competition, removing all motivation to achieve greatness, promoting victimhood and revenge, etc.
If anything Hitler led to White Guilt, but I'm sure that communist would just use imperialism as their main excuse then to let millions of Third World Savages into our homelands.
Europe IS destroying itself, because Hitler was a delusional megalomaniac.
People today are so religiously "never again" that they've tipped the scale, the table it's on and the whole continent into the other direction, using many of the same tactics oppressive regimes throughout history used, including the Nazis.
I really hate where this reference originated, but it's so appropriate....
They've outlived their usefulness.
Hitler was planning on “unifying” Europe too and calling it “Germania”. This is basically the modern day equivalent.
But then it wouldn't be full of 3rd world terrorists like it is today, and thus would be infinitely better.
There's really no arguing that Europe wouldn't have been better off.
Yes it would have. Hitler thought muslims were better and easier to control than Christians. The importations would have started sooner.
Where did he say they were easier to control? He said that they and their religion had a fighting spirit. That's kind of the opposite of saying they'd be easier to control.
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None of that supports the idea that Hitler would have welcomed mass immigration of Arabs and Africans into Germany or even Europe.
He merely felt that Islam as a religious/political ideology seemed more suited to the warrior spirit of the German people than the meekness of Christianity.
It would have given the same result. Socialists are socialists, no matter what adornment they show.
Except that National Socialism has a much better chance of being effective within a homogeneous population than does International Socialism, which sought to destroy nations, destroy peoples through open borders, destroy culture, history, and values via that mass immigration and attacks on things like the family, etc.
Yes both are socialism, but at least National Socialism wouldn't expressly destroy your people, culture, and history while wrecking your economy.
That difference does matter.
Did not Germany and the German people get destroyed by the nazis? The nazis wanted Gotterdammerung at the end rather than admit defeat (which they blamed on the failings of their people, not taking responsibility for the debacle themselves), and it was only the sense of self-preservation that finally made people turn aside from their ridiculous monomania. And much that had been great and good was lost thanks to the nazis. Socialism kills, no matter what kind it is.
That's as wrong as people who beat a dog until it bites back and then using that as an excuse to kill the dog and then blaming the dog for it, ignoring what led it to bite in the first place or how justified it was in that action.
''We defeated the wrong enemy'' - General George S. Patton
At least with national socialism, no one went hungry who was a reich citizen. And they didn’t allow massive invasion by melanated uneducated peoples
People most definitely went hungry and an invasion did happen -- killed by a Russian, killed by a Somali...either way, you're dead (and your gov't. failed to protect you because they were never about the people).
operatorstorm712 They went hungry because the allied powers bombed all the food supplies, then everyone cries about the j3ws looking all starved to death. allied powers dropped fire bombs on civilian targets, i consider this far worse than the claimed holocaust. or was the fire bombings of german citizens considered the holocaust but we have all been deceived ? Holocaust : An ancient Greek word meaning ''Mass burnt sacrifice'' did any jews die from fire? nope did German women and children die from fire? Yes
You know your history.Most pedes here know the MSM and Academia lie about Trump but they can’t still fan them that WW2 has lot of deception.
It's a bit stupid to blame the Nazis for what the Communists did, as the Nazis were specifically trying to prevent the Communist invasion, which would have happened even sooner if not for the Nazis fighting against it. In fact it was in large part the rise of Communism in Germany that led to the vicious street battles that eventually turned into the Nazi party.
The communists, as part of their plan of revolutionary INTERNATIONAL communism, directly supported mass immigration, the destruction of borders, nations, homogeneous peoples, etc.
NATIONAL socialism stood in direct opposition to this as a defense of the unity of a nation's people and defense of their history, their culture, etc.
Equating the foreign invasion ENFORCED by communism to the foreign invasion Nazis FOUGHT AGAINST as a core principle is basically fucking retarded.
Look at the nazis' socio-economic platform. It is the same as communism. It has a nationalist flavor, but it's the same thing. And, it led to the same results. Socialism never works, no matter what it's flavor.
Socialism doesn't work. But National Socialism at least doesn't intentionally work to destroy one's own people, culture, and history like international socialism does.
Thus Nazism, while still an arguably doomed to failure economic system, is still vastly superior to the International Socialism of Marxism and the communists.
It was that fight over the national vs international aspects that drove the war, as the communists were driving west to destroy those countries, Poland having fought a fierce battle only around 20 years earlier to halt the destruction of Europe, but the battle to destroy Europe had waged on, leading to the fierce street battles in Germany itself that led to the response and rise of Nazism to defend the German people and nation from those foreign invaders working to destroy Germany itself and force an international revolution etc.
One has to intentionally ignore that key and massive foundational aspect of the clash between the Nazis and the Soviets to try to argue that there was no difference.
It's like saying there's no difference between men and women because both are human.
If the ''Good guys'' won world war 1 and 2 then why is the world run by evil pedophile billionaires? Hitler was right about the weaponized media, he was right about the international banksters. A great civilization was lost but now...you all can see that it is possible to manipulate the minds of the masses with weaponized media, if they could pull off an American election theft and a RONA hoax world wide do you think it is perhaps possible the holocaust was manufactured ? i urge you all to look on a map and find out the exact locations of EVERY claimed gas chamber death camp. You will then notice they are ALL on the communist (USSR) Side of the Iron curtain. a small detail that will red pill you, NO ONE KNEW ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST UNTIL 6-12 MONTHS AFTER WW2 ENDED. THINK LONG & HARD ABOUT THAT. (I understand if some of you are shocked by my comment but I only care about the truth even if it offends ppl) Check out a documentary called Adolf Hitler : The greatest story never told
Yep, great watching, also read up on holodomor in the Soviet Union, an even greater massacre of Christian ethnic Russians by the bolsheviks, it’s sick how history has been written after the fact. No one cares about the actual facts. Good for you @teflondon
thank you fightingTeuton , I get a lot of hate for the things I say, but all i care about is the truth even if it leads to my death.
Yes sir. Don’t fret about what people think. Too many brainwashed people to history regardless of having taken the “red pill”. We are not lemmings nor sheep, we can see history for the truth it is. If ever in doubt about these questions, go and see what the Judaics say about their own actions on the Jewish encyclopedia. They admit themselves. They want and crave the credit. Just the truth is all the matters.
Churchill even said the reason why there was a war was because Hitler arrested a Rothschild .The official numbers Red Cross gave is totally different.
Squints at Nazis...
Squints at EU...
Its the same picture, not worse.
EU is most definitely worse. At least ideologically, the Nazis wanted to created a homogenous society and elevate their own ethnic group. I'm not Aryan or German, or even Anglo-Saxon, but I can see the objective usefulness of doing that.
The EU, on the other hand, wants to dilute their own people by importing a different people. This makes it hard for the population to ever revolt, because the different groups will be played against each other. There will also be no common understanding of values, because values will be different. The EU is essentially trying to degenerate rather than elevate its population, so that the oligarchs can easily control society.
This idea does not require or assume that the imported population is inferior, only that they are different and come from worse backgrounds.