Update:
Fauci doesn't actually say in the article that masks cause bacterial pneumonia, I think that's an assertion by whoever wrote the article.
USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks:
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific.
Well, I guess you mean bacterial pneumonia caught from wearing a mask. I couldn't say. I don't even have enough information to make an informed guess. I don't think it's impossible, but it's also not the only - or even most likely - way to get pneumonia. When you get the flu you can easily catch pneumonia naturally. It would be more compelling if large numbers of people were dying from pneumonia WITHOUT flu or the chinavirus. Assuming you trust their testing methods for the virus (like improperly using PCR). People get pneumonia when their respiratory tract is vulnerable and their immune system compromised. Like for example people who have oxygen delivered to their lower respiratory system without passing through the filtration of the upper passages and who are pretty ill. I could readily believe that unhygienic masks caused illnesses if there was some good evidence presented to me. But otherwise I feel like it's more likely that people are getting pneumonia in the way they normally do every year, and the masks are more a form of group think, mass hysteria, and indoctrinated subservience.
Data withstanding. If we assume someone that is ill with an ARDS type virus is forced to wear a mask that they continually cough into, bacteria will be present. I wonder if breathing through a material with bacteria present, and your immune system is compromised, are you at a higher risk of getting pneumonia?
Furthermore I don't appreciate the word play in the medical community regarding "ground glass" or "covid pneumonia". Ground glass opacity isn't unique to covid. And pneumonia is just pneumonia.
Sure, that's a good question. I'd like to know the answer as well.
But to accept that idea you would have to accept that all those people who got sick were actually spreaders of chinavirus, which justifies the mask hysteria. Also in either case technically you should be changing your mask frequently, but I don't think people really do that, sick or not. I haven't heard about 'ground glass' before, but I agree in general with the self-righteousness of people in medical areas who think they know everything.
J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci
J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci
Well, USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks (as you say):
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific. Anyway, sorry for not looking into this point along with the article.
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific. Anyway, sorry for not looking into this point along with the article
J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708.
Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness
David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18710327/
Edit:
Fauci doesn't actually say in the article that masks cause bacterial pneumonia, I think that's an assertion by whoever wrote the article.
USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks:
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific.
Need more sauce....
Update:
Fauci doesn't actually say in the article that masks cause bacterial pneumonia, I think that's an assertion by whoever wrote the article.
USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks:
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
and the scientific article:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific.
This. Thank you
You're welcome.
So you don't think the ones dieing from pneumonia now, secondary to covid, which is most of them, is bacterial pneumonia?
It would be interesting to have a mask vs no mask comparison on PTs with covid.
Well, I guess you mean bacterial pneumonia caught from wearing a mask. I couldn't say. I don't even have enough information to make an informed guess. I don't think it's impossible, but it's also not the only - or even most likely - way to get pneumonia. When you get the flu you can easily catch pneumonia naturally. It would be more compelling if large numbers of people were dying from pneumonia WITHOUT flu or the chinavirus. Assuming you trust their testing methods for the virus (like improperly using PCR). People get pneumonia when their respiratory tract is vulnerable and their immune system compromised. Like for example people who have oxygen delivered to their lower respiratory system without passing through the filtration of the upper passages and who are pretty ill. I could readily believe that unhygienic masks caused illnesses if there was some good evidence presented to me. But otherwise I feel like it's more likely that people are getting pneumonia in the way they normally do every year, and the masks are more a form of group think, mass hysteria, and indoctrinated subservience.
Data withstanding. If we assume someone that is ill with an ARDS type virus is forced to wear a mask that they continually cough into, bacteria will be present. I wonder if breathing through a material with bacteria present, and your immune system is compromised, are you at a higher risk of getting pneumonia?
Furthermore I don't appreciate the word play in the medical community regarding "ground glass" or "covid pneumonia". Ground glass opacity isn't unique to covid. And pneumonia is just pneumonia.
Sure, that's a good question. I'd like to know the answer as well.
But to accept that idea you would have to accept that all those people who got sick were actually spreaders of chinavirus, which justifies the mask hysteria. Also in either case technically you should be changing your mask frequently, but I don't think people really do that, sick or not. I haven't heard about 'ground glass' before, but I agree in general with the self-righteousness of people in medical areas who think they know everything.
Well, I know one thing for sure. Don't just trust a Dr cause they are a Dr, and everyone has an agenda.
And this virus was man made.
J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18710327/
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic
Why the quality is so bad?. It's suspicious , all fakes are LQ to hide defects.
Source required.
J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18710327/
That link is missing the statement that the mask is responsible for bacterial pneumonia, which is the important one.
Well, USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks (as you say):
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
and the scientific article:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific. Anyway, sorry for not looking into this point along with the article.
Thanks for the links and the research.
We agree, for now it's not worth it.
Is that right? Hmmm... I agree. I'll look more into it.
This cements it for me
https://www.villagevoice.com/2020/05/28/an-open-letter-to-dr-anthony-fauci/
J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18710327/
Edit: Fauci doesn't actually say in the article that masks cause bacterial pneumonia, I think that's an assertion by whoever wrote the article.
USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks:
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
and the scientific article:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific.