J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci
Well, USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks (as you say):
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific. Anyway, sorry for not looking into this point along with the article.
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific. Anyway, sorry for not looking into this point along with the article
Why the quality is so bad?. It's suspicious , all fakes are LQ to hide defects.
Source required.
J Infect Dis. 2008 Oct 1;198(7):962-70. doi: 10.1086/591708. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: implications for pandemic influenza preparedness David M Morens 1, Jeffery K Taubenberger, Anthony S Fauci
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18710327/
That link is missing the statement that the mask is responsible for bacterial pneumonia, which is the important one.
Well, USAToday is a Leftist rag, but for whatever it's worth they respond to this article and say that while Fauci did say bacterial pneumonia was the greater cause of death in the Spanish Flu, the study didn't mention masks (as you say):
If you look at the article in question, technically it isn't obvious that it's Fauci saying wearing masks, it could be a conclusion of the person writing the article. But even in that case it would be misleading to not clearly make that distinction.
I have no idea if masks do contribute or not to bacterial pneumonia. That's worth looking into for its own sake. There are plenty of articles that say that NORMAL or PROPER mask use do not cause bacterial infections, and that's probably true. But I haven't seen any studies or articles on IMPROPER, EXTENDED, or NON-STERILE mask use, and that's the point here. I bet a large number of people, if not most, are over-using masks. This (obviously Conservative) website makes that point, but of course they have their own biases:
This doctor said that theoretically it was possible if the mask became moldy, but that it would be strange for people to keep using a mask at that point. Again he refers to 'normal' mask use. So, it's inconclusive. Maybe theoretically possible but unlikely according to him:
Interestingly, here's an article from 2003 saying basically the same thing the doctors said about masks generally in the beginning: that a mask will prevent transmission of droplets, but unless it's N95 and properly used it's not very effective, though it may reduce transmission somewhat, and in any case they don't recommend people using them.:
Here's an article saying that N95 masks actually DO decrease oxygen flow, but they state it only as a concern for pregnant health workers. Interesting because it's a hot topic that is dismissed these days by the medical establishment:
Finally, here's an article saying that wearing cloth masks actually CAN cause greater respiratory infection, compared to medical masks. Because there was no non-masked group it was inconclusive if the cloth masks actually caused infections or not:
and the scientific article:
So, overall I don't think this bacterial pneumonia thing is worth pursuing unless there are tremendous cases of bacterial pneumonia that start cropping up. It seems more like wishful thinking that it's another instance of Fauci being a huge hypocrite and phony rather than anything actually objective or scientific. Anyway, sorry for not looking into this point along with the article.
Thanks for the links and the research.
We agree, for now it's not worth it.
Is that right? Hmmm... I agree. I'll look more into it.