I understand the importance of the one phone call. Typically used after you have been arrested. The lawyer is to prevent that from happening. I'm very lucky to have had the same lawyer for 25 years. He's got my family phone numbers and knows my neighbors. If I were to be taken away I could tell him to tell my contacts to take care of business. I realize my situation isn't typical but everyone should have at least some prior planning in case of emergency. I'm extremely tight with my neighbors. We've discussed SHTF plans.
I've been knock and talked by glowies before, all they do is fish and ask you questions until you incriminate yourself. I just bore them with unrelated stories and eventually they leave. No lawyer needed. They are truly stupid people for the reasons discussed above
Former LEO here. When encountering people with evasive stories who love to talk without a lawyer present it's an invitation to bring you to a really small uncomfortable room where every single evasive story you put out will be questioned until we've got all sorts of cold case files to reopen thanks to you. What could have been a 15 minute discussion with your lawyer present could turn out that you'll never have another breath of fresh air again for many years. The cold hard truth is that the agents questioning you have unlimited time and unlimited incentives to keep you talking.
Protip for others reading this: don't try your technique in the real world. Apparently it worked out for this person but it does not for the other 99% of the very clever people who try it.
Indeed. If or when FBI agents arrive at your doorstep, plead the fifth and absolutely refuse to talk to them without an lawyer present. Order your friends and relatives to do the exact same thing and especially the women and children.
I guess my point is I steered the conversation away from anything they would care to talk about. I do agree that the best course of action is to simply refuse to talk, at all.
In that 24 hours of questioning someone who doesn't have the brain capacity to know when to shut up they can have dozens of charges. Just keep talking funny guy. The more tangents you bring up the more charges you get pinned on you and the more expensive your lawyer is going to cost you. You could have just had your lawyer at the very beginning to keep you out of trouble. But your very clever sense of humor will get plea bargaining down to maybe a year in jail for something you didn't do. Great strategy slick!
Ugh! Well, I'm in a pretty solid blue county so I understand that feeling. I've got a pretty even mix of red and blue neighbors. We all got along pretty well until President Trump came into office. Then the blue neighbors became ice cold. It brought the red neighbors closer together. I breathe freely knowing I have a great support system. I'm sorry you're in an uncomfortable spot.
No worries! Around here it's more don't ask don't tell (haha). Unfortunately these days have become so sad that you know which neighbors support Trump by them hanging an American flag out front. One neighbor had the Betsey Ross flag hanging on his tall flag pole right above his son's Marine flag. Gee I wonder who that racist supports /s. 😁
I have plenty of anonymous friends on here and while that is sad, it is enough.
I like your attitude. Plan for better days but be prepared for the worst. There truly are more of us than them. It's just that their radical slice keeps the rest of them brainwashed or too scared to think for themselves. Keep the faith fren!
I understand the importance of the one phone call. Typically used after you have been arrested. The lawyer is to prevent that from happening. I'm very lucky to have had the same lawyer for 25 years. He's got my family phone numbers and knows my neighbors. If I were to be taken away I could tell him to tell my contacts to take care of business. I realize my situation isn't typical but everyone should have at least some prior planning in case of emergency. I'm extremely tight with my neighbors. We've discussed SHTF plans.
I've been knock and talked by glowies before, all they do is fish and ask you questions until you incriminate yourself. I just bore them with unrelated stories and eventually they leave. No lawyer needed. They are truly stupid people for the reasons discussed above
Former LEO here. When encountering people with evasive stories who love to talk without a lawyer present it's an invitation to bring you to a really small uncomfortable room where every single evasive story you put out will be questioned until we've got all sorts of cold case files to reopen thanks to you. What could have been a 15 minute discussion with your lawyer present could turn out that you'll never have another breath of fresh air again for many years. The cold hard truth is that the agents questioning you have unlimited time and unlimited incentives to keep you talking.
Protip for others reading this: don't try your technique in the real world. Apparently it worked out for this person but it does not for the other 99% of the very clever people who try it.
Indeed. If or when FBI agents arrive at your doorstep, plead the fifth and absolutely refuse to talk to them without an lawyer present. Order your friends and relatives to do the exact same thing and especially the women and children.
Amen brother pede!
I guess my point is I steered the conversation away from anything they would care to talk about. I do agree that the best course of action is to simply refuse to talk, at all.
Get the lawyer immediately and don't talk at all or be happy to take a plea bargain for shit you didn't do.
IIRC, unless I am charged with a crime I leave in 24 hours.
Detaining me after that is illegal, and any amount of force employed by me to prevent illegal detainment is fine.
I understand now, why sovereign citizens exist.
In that 24 hours of questioning someone who doesn't have the brain capacity to know when to shut up they can have dozens of charges. Just keep talking funny guy. The more tangents you bring up the more charges you get pinned on you and the more expensive your lawyer is going to cost you. You could have just had your lawyer at the very beginning to keep you out of trouble. But your very clever sense of humor will get plea bargaining down to maybe a year in jail for something you didn't do. Great strategy slick!
Thanks for the reply! I'm in one of those states (NY) where my neighbors would run outside and cheer on the FBI for taking away a domestic terrorist!
Ugh! Well, I'm in a pretty solid blue county so I understand that feeling. I've got a pretty even mix of red and blue neighbors. We all got along pretty well until President Trump came into office. Then the blue neighbors became ice cold. It brought the red neighbors closer together. I breathe freely knowing I have a great support system. I'm sorry you're in an uncomfortable spot.
No worries! Around here it's more don't ask don't tell (haha). Unfortunately these days have become so sad that you know which neighbors support Trump by them hanging an American flag out front. One neighbor had the Betsey Ross flag hanging on his tall flag pole right above his son's Marine flag. Gee I wonder who that racist supports /s. 😁
I have plenty of anonymous friends on here and while that is sad, it is enough.
I like your attitude. Plan for better days but be prepared for the worst. There truly are more of us than them. It's just that their radical slice keeps the rest of them brainwashed or too scared to think for themselves. Keep the faith fren!
In your case, they'd take out the lawyer - then you and yours.