Bad idea. Don't we already have a military industrial complex that fights wars to make and sell weapon? Hello, Bolton? Hello, Cheney? You really want more of that?
I know, but I thought in Star Troopers universe service guarantees voting right? That is, only active and decommissioned members of the military are allowed to vote?
Yes. And in-universe, the reason for that is a total collapse of democratic institutions in favor of rule by authoritarian oligarchy, ultimately leading to shock military defeat by the Chinese (sounding familiar? Heinlein was ahead of his time).
Western democratic military overthrows the system in the aftermath, restores society to relative normal, but in order to have a political voice you have to have skin in the game. Civilians are guaranteed every single right and privilege of full citizens to prevent formation of an over-class, with the exception of voting and holding office. Also notable: current military can't vote either. Not even career military. Only once you leave service can you vote. To keep the military from becoming a self-serving power club, and keep it subservient to civilian government.
Also a reminder the film was done by a guy who read a few pages of Starship Troopers, decided "cultural conservatives are Nazis and this book is proof" and then did the film. The movie was a fun movie but fun aside, it's the CNN treatment of Heinlein's book.
Out of curiosity, what about the people who are not physically gifted but gifted in other ways, like a man who is physically disabled but has genius intellect that makes Steven Hawking jealous?
Will he not get a voice because he is stuck in a wheelchair?
That was covered in the book. Because franchise is tied to service, by law, if you want to serve, the Federation military MUST find something for you to do, even if all you can do is fill out forms with your nose from a wheelchair. If you’re rejected from service, it would be for reasons not tied to a disability.
Why can’t the thought of service to one’s own country include civil service projects/ relief work/ etc the list is long for that sort of thing. IMO doesn’t have to be militaristic oriented.
Not active. You get your citizenship, and your vote, after your service is up.
Do non-military jobs qualify as service?
Not really. If someone really unqualified applies for citizenship (quadriplegic, utterly blind, &c), they will be given two years of duty at the dirtiest jobs the Federation can think of (creating them, if necessary). But the implication in the book is that military service is preferred for the moral qualities it imparts, and so a person missing one limb may get an artificial one to enable them to earn their citizenship in the military.
The MiC exists because war is profitable by those who haven't been a part of the military, and see the military machine as a source of unlimited human capital, and expenditures to fuel their own want. Citizen Republics are slightly different, ask yourself how many people you know who've been deployed want to go back because they really want to go back.
The other difference is that in a Citizen Republic the government at reduced levels are the ones that take care of the day-to-day issues as well, this is akin to the olde days of the Roman Republics which were also a limited Citizen Republic. Building infrastructure, first on the ground for disasters, policing, and so-on were all part of the job, they also had to apply civilian law not military law in policing and whatnot.
Instead of a bureaucrat sitting in the capital deciding what needed to be done, it was left to the people directly in the area as to what needed to be done.
But aren't most of those bureaucrats and contractors inside the MiC veterans themselves? Yes, they were "directly in the area" for a few years, and the rest of their lives all in the bureaucracy system. It's no secret that the pentagon and the merchants of death have an incestuous relationship for a long time, that's why it's a complex.
Besides, the demand for boots on the ground action is diminishing. Why would they risk to get into the enemy territory when you can get the job done with a drone strike while sitting in Nevada?
I'll bet if you look at those people, you'll find nearly all of them flew a desk even when they were deployed. And they used contacts in order to massage themselves into the positions they got when they got outside of the fingers of the system itself. Remember, our entire political system has become corrupted to the point that you can be deployed and get 'combat experience' while never being shot at.
Boots on the ground will never be a diminishing thing, it'll be used more selectively in some cases. But if you want showing force and punching power for your buddies in the media to paint you up on, you're gonna send someone else's kids to die.
If Zander and Carmen both graduated High School at the same time how does Zander outrank Carmen when they meet up in Fleet? Shouldn't they be the same rank seeing as how they have the same job and entered at the same exact time??
I don't think higher scores would garner a bump up in rank. That's not how any military works. it determines what job you can get sure and separate jobs come with higher rank involved maybe. Like Games and Theory. But Carmen got very high scores and did very well in school. When Zander meet up with her again he acted like he was years ahead of her in his career.
But with a higher score you can choose to go straight to the officer path. These people tend to get made fun of by most of the military since they're seen as line cutters and not deserving of the rank as they haven't in most eyes, earned it with experience.
But yeah, he did act like he had already been in the military for longer. Wonder what that was about.
I've read the book and yeah it's amazing, nothing like the movie. Even the "bugs" in the book are completely different. I might even reread the book for some fun in these dark times.
well...of course the world looks great for the soldiers, especially elite soldiers that rico ends up with. he also didn't come from the slums. we get no perspective from different social classes. watching and reading starship troopers is like reading/watching '1984' if you are only watching the daily lives of the inner party, LMFAO.
Our world's elites do not fight in their own wars.
In this film's fictional world, the elites at least fight in the wars, too.
Rico, despite coming from a rich family, started at the bottom in the military due to his poor academic grades and received no preferential treatment -- and yet he was able to believably rise in rank by working hard and maximizing his abilities. There was a meritocracy in a sense.
That is why I always maintain the attitude of "When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade." When I first saw the article, instead of dooming like 90% of the people on this site, I saw an opportunity since the MSM have just given us the biggest lemon to make lemonade out of to wash down all of those red pills that has dropped.
The normies and TDS might ignore the usual sites of HereIsTheEvidence.com and Patriots.win, but they will not easily ignore an actual article from the TIME Magazine, and I bet that the nightmarish description of how the shadowy elites stole the election would be enough to shock a lot of them awake.
Service guarantees citizenship
But only after eight years. ;)
Bad idea. Don't we already have a military industrial complex that fights wars to make and sell weapon? Hello, Bolton? Hello, Cheney? You really want more of that?
It is a film reference.
That said, stop writing and watch Starship Troopers immediately.
I know, but I thought in Star Troopers universe service guarantees voting right? That is, only active and decommissioned members of the military are allowed to vote?
Yes. And in-universe, the reason for that is a total collapse of democratic institutions in favor of rule by authoritarian oligarchy, ultimately leading to shock military defeat by the Chinese (sounding familiar? Heinlein was ahead of his time).
Western democratic military overthrows the system in the aftermath, restores society to relative normal, but in order to have a political voice you have to have skin in the game. Civilians are guaranteed every single right and privilege of full citizens to prevent formation of an over-class, with the exception of voting and holding office. Also notable: current military can't vote either. Not even career military. Only once you leave service can you vote. To keep the military from becoming a self-serving power club, and keep it subservient to civilian government.
Also a reminder the film was done by a guy who read a few pages of Starship Troopers, decided "cultural conservatives are Nazis and this book is proof" and then did the film. The movie was a fun movie but fun aside, it's the CNN treatment of Heinlein's book.
Didn't the soldiers in the book have mech suits?
Didn't seem real smart to send infantry against those bugs in the movie.
Yep, M.I. in the book's front line infantry were basically Warhammer Marines before Warhammer was a thing.
Yes, but the budget did not allow powered armor.
This is why people should still be reading. The book version of a movie is almost 99.9% of the times better
You got to look at Sargons breakdown of that movie. It does the book justice
Out of curiosity, what about the people who are not physically gifted but gifted in other ways, like a man who is physically disabled but has genius intellect that makes Steven Hawking jealous?
Will he not get a voice because he is stuck in a wheelchair?
That was covered in the book. Because franchise is tied to service, by law, if you want to serve, the Federation military MUST find something for you to do, even if all you can do is fill out forms with your nose from a wheelchair. If you’re rejected from service, it would be for reasons not tied to a disability.
In the original novel only veterans are allowed to vote actually, a term is 2 years barring the outbreak of a war.
Why can’t the thought of service to one’s own country include civil service projects/ relief work/ etc the list is long for that sort of thing. IMO doesn’t have to be militaristic oriented.
Health care workers are already war heroes. Just ask them.
Not active. You get your citizenship, and your vote, after your service is up.
Do non-military jobs qualify as service?
Not really. If someone really unqualified applies for citizenship (quadriplegic, utterly blind, &c), they will be given two years of duty at the dirtiest jobs the Federation can think of (creating them, if necessary). But the implication in the book is that military service is preferred for the moral qualities it imparts, and so a person missing one limb may get an artificial one to enable them to earn their citizenship in the military.
Military service wasn’t the only way to serve to become a citizen. There were also civil service professions that qualified.
No. Read Starship Troopers. Awesome book.
The MiC exists because war is profitable by those who haven't been a part of the military, and see the military machine as a source of unlimited human capital, and expenditures to fuel their own want. Citizen Republics are slightly different, ask yourself how many people you know who've been deployed want to go back because they really want to go back.
The other difference is that in a Citizen Republic the government at reduced levels are the ones that take care of the day-to-day issues as well, this is akin to the olde days of the Roman Republics which were also a limited Citizen Republic. Building infrastructure, first on the ground for disasters, policing, and so-on were all part of the job, they also had to apply civilian law not military law in policing and whatnot.
Instead of a bureaucrat sitting in the capital deciding what needed to be done, it was left to the people directly in the area as to what needed to be done.
But aren't most of those bureaucrats and contractors inside the MiC veterans themselves? Yes, they were "directly in the area" for a few years, and the rest of their lives all in the bureaucracy system. It's no secret that the pentagon and the merchants of death have an incestuous relationship for a long time, that's why it's a complex.
Besides, the demand for boots on the ground action is diminishing. Why would they risk to get into the enemy territory when you can get the job done with a drone strike while sitting in Nevada?
I'll bet if you look at those people, you'll find nearly all of them flew a desk even when they were deployed. And they used contacts in order to massage themselves into the positions they got when they got outside of the fingers of the system itself. Remember, our entire political system has become corrupted to the point that you can be deployed and get 'combat experience' while never being shot at.
Boots on the ground will never be a diminishing thing, it'll be used more selectively in some cases. But if you want showing force and punching power for your buddies in the media to paint you up on, you're gonna send someone else's kids to die.
Coed showers
Dat Dizzy tho.
Carmen was a two-timer who will break Rico's heart again and again. Diz was the best.
That and she had the hots for Zander, that fucking sociopath.
If Zander and Carmen both graduated High School at the same time how does Zander outrank Carmen when they meet up in Fleet? Shouldn't they be the same rank seeing as how they have the same job and entered at the same exact time??
He was a man, men are better at things.
KEK
He was in JROTC and it actually counted?
I can't find any info confirming this but good theory.
Higher entrance scores.
I don't think higher scores would garner a bump up in rank. That's not how any military works. it determines what job you can get sure and separate jobs come with higher rank involved maybe. Like Games and Theory. But Carmen got very high scores and did very well in school. When Zander meet up with her again he acted like he was years ahead of her in his career.
But with a higher score you can choose to go straight to the officer path. These people tend to get made fun of by most of the military since they're seen as line cutters and not deserving of the rank as they haven't in most eyes, earned it with experience.
But yeah, he did act like he had already been in the military for longer. Wonder what that was about.
Don’t ask for consistency from a guy who based an entire movie on a book that he hated and only read one chapter of.
I've read the book and yeah it's amazing, nothing like the movie. Even the "bugs" in the book are completely different. I might even reread the book for some fun in these dark times.
It’s definitely a great sci-fi book, even if one were to remove all political context. Heinlein is an excellent author.
Zander and Carmen were a better pair, anyways. Slimy people belong together.
Starship Troopers: A film purporting to be a satire on "fascism," yet its world ironically looks comfy and peaceful.
well...of course the world looks great for the soldiers, especially elite soldiers that rico ends up with. he also didn't come from the slums. we get no perspective from different social classes. watching and reading starship troopers is like reading/watching '1984' if you are only watching the daily lives of the inner party, LMFAO.
Our world's elites do not fight in their own wars.
In this film's fictional world, the elites at least fight in the wars, too.
Rico, despite coming from a rich family, started at the bottom in the military due to his poor academic grades and received no preferential treatment -- and yet he was able to believably rise in rank by working hard and maximizing his abilities. There was a meritocracy in a sense.
Rico came from a family with no political power. His father was not a citizen and excluded from political office or participating in government.
Also in the book he was Filipino.
They're slaving the hobbits to Isengard gard gard.
The amount of normies this has redpilled is crazy. Anyone I show it to starts to see what we’ve all been saying.
That is why I always maintain the attitude of "When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade." When I first saw the article, instead of dooming like 90% of the people on this site, I saw an opportunity since the MSM have just given us the biggest lemon to make lemonade out of to wash down all of those red pills that has dropped.
The normies and TDS might ignore the usual sites of HereIsTheEvidence.com and Patriots.win, but they will not easily ignore an actual article from the TIME Magazine, and I bet that the nightmarish description of how the shadowy elites stole the election would be enough to shock a lot of them awake.
Yes please
I want to know everything
YES!!! Yes I would love to know more.
Are you doing your part?
It's afraid.
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Trumptastic! POTUS considering his own social media platform:https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/02/06/exclusive-adviser-trump-considers-launching-his-own-social-media-platform/
i need this. we need to hear from him regularly again
We will, right after the sham impeachment ends
yeah we don't want to provoke any RINOs in the Senate to think Trump has chance of comeback or something like that
RoboTrump
We get you, sir!
I've got a hunch we are going to hear a lot more about that this week from POTUS 45's lawyers!
I could only read a third of the article. The spin on their theft was making me dizzy.
But of course I want to know the truth...
Starship Trumpers
That’s my awesome president Mr. Donald J Trump!
The TIME article should be PINNED for some weeks.
Everyone should read it and tell people to read it.
PUT YOUR HAND ON THAT WALL!!
Commander-In-Chief of the United States of America... 11/03/2016----
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