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SurfingUSA [S] 10 points ago +11 / -1

I have just joined a (Catholic) Bible Study group that appears to worship a Certain Country in the M!ddle [email protected] and I may have to unjoin it. (to my distress)

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Rufus_Shinra 5 points ago +5 / -0

Point out all the time God punished the Israelites when they turned away from God and disobeyed him. Point out when Moses led them out of slavery in Egypt, God made them wander in the desert for 40 years because they disobeyed him while Moses was on the mountain getting the 10 commandments. The Jews were also taken as slaves by the Babylonians. They were also conquered by the Romans and their great temple destroyed. They lost their country for hundreds of years and only recently got it back after WW2. The point is, the Jews have disobeyed and turned away from God many times in their history and each time were sorely punished, so they are far from perfect.

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SurfingUSA [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

I could try that angle, I was going to use a different tact noting that the Khazars that may be the current occupants of [email protected] are not really Hebrews.

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Southern_Belle 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not hatin' on Israel...

However, who said that the physical Israel in the ME is the same as the idea of Israel?

I don't have an answer. Just posing a question.

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SurfingUSA [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well the physical Israel was created by Britain in the Balfour Declaration, which is a preposterous diktat given that the land was not Britain's to give.

The idea of Israel -- can you elaborate?