By "us" here, I mean the generally shared cause of those of "us" Patriots on this forum, or similarly minded people abroad; the MAGA movement, if you will.
I don't disagree that the Deep State conducts the same thing; every major power has been doing that for well over 100 years; no major world power is conducting it's own affairs in peace without attempting to interfere in the affairs of others.
You could even argue that it's justified; that said, then, Poland is justified in their self-fortification.
To be clear; Poland isn't universally anti-Russia. Poland does not want to witness Russia conquered. Poland does fight against Russian influence abroad, because Poland does not want to be Russia's next victim. Equally, Poland fights the influence of the Deep State abroad, for much the same reasons. Poland is much more of a nation that seeks to (and largely does) conduct it's own affairs in peace; and, as the expression goes, "to secure peace is to prepare for war".
As a sidenote about similarities to American propaganda; the best propaganda utilizes truth as a basis for a fraudulent follow-up argument. The propaganda artists of the Deep State are masters at their craft; they likely also follow this. If we applied this formula to a common propaganda argument, it might look like this:
"Putin runs a wide network of intelligence, propaganda, and foreign interference. Putin has used this network to interfere in the 2016 election."
There are two statements there. Both could be false, both could be true; equally, one could be false and the other could be true. Just because the propaganda as a whole isn't accurate (Putin interfered in the 2016 election); that doesn't mean that the things it is based in are false, too.
It's too general, then, because Putin doesn't give a shit about "defeating" America First nationalists like me.
Between Russia and Western deepstate, Poland aligned itself with the latter, which unequivocally DOES want to see Russia conquered. It's not self-fortification, it's choosing the side more likely to win. What they fight abroad is the surface level cultural subversion, anti-Christianity and the like. But like I said, it's about being able to conduct your own affairs in peace. That's contingent on OTHERS leaving you alone. I'm not saying the deepstate does "the same thing", I'm saying what you're claiming is Putin's strategy, isn't; it's the deepstate's.
The propaganda isn't about Putin having intelligence agencies, it's characterizing his regime as a "mafia", which delegitimizes it and has been the number one point of attack from the deepstate and the "democracy" movements it sponsors to destabilize and takeover countries.
Have you talked to anyone from modern Russia? I think most people there understand that Russia (like most countries, really) is ruled by a class of powerful oligarchs, each with their own area. The biggest difference is that Russia doesn't really try to hide it.
My understanding is that the mainstream narrative is that Russia is run like a Nazi nation; not that it's run like the mob. Anyway, you can look at just about any investigative journalism (much of which is not mainstream) or the stories going back decades about the Russian Mob/Mafia and it's power; or the stories from residents about totally batshit crazy stuff with police; it's not hard to find the stories that point to it, and it isn't wrong either.
Either way, if Putin's regime couldn't withstand a little bit of de-legitimization, it wouldn't be here. He's demonstrated time and time again that he isn't afraid to just disappear people that are in opposition to him.
Also; there is a good amount of evidence to suggest that Putin does dealings with the deep state all the time. Just look at how they've handled corona; leading researchers that get too close to the truth tend to kill themselves there, just like here. I don't think it's nearly as black and white or clear-cut as it would be convenient for it to be; I think Putin ultimately just takes whatever actions he thinks will benefit him the most, whether or not it's working with or against the DS.
All I'm trying to say is this; Poland is nationalist, we seek a very similar kind of nationalism, and Putin is generally a nationalist as far as it helps him. An alliance can be made between us; and, indeed, exists between our peoples; but it will most likely remain a tense alliance; that said, we're typically far more mature than our globalist counterparts, and, as such, I think a tentative alliance can be made.
Yeah no; the MSM narrative is identical to yours. Mob, oligarchy, corrupt, oppressive, anti-democracy, etc. etc. straight down to specific phrases, "disappearing opposition", "time and time again".
What researchers?
We don't seek the same thing. Poland's nationalism is a compromising, dependent nationalism. Putin's nationalism isn't, that's why Russia's the pariah'd country that has globalists frothing at it. Being constantly under threat of the Gaddafi treatment isn't a benefit to him in the slightest. That's why there's nothing tense or tentative with Russia for me.
Here's my recommendation; I cross checked with my Russian friend; he says that this should be easily found on any Russian news source, if you can understand Russian.
He said he doesn't watch or care about Western news sources.
First, you should look into military posturing; he talked about how, frequently, Putin will create an enemy of some kind to unite the populace against anything other than him; with little regard for soldiers in the process. An example that comes to mind is intervention in the Middle East.
Second, he recommended you look into the last Russian election; Putin claimed to be backing away from it and allowing other politicians to take the "wheel". He was still elected, and under suspicious circumstances.
Third, he talks about Ukraine. He acknowledges that there were always tensions with Ukraine since the ending of the Soviet Union, but he makes clear that seizure of Crimea was a really despicable action that devastated Ukraine and cost the Russian people dearly; look at Russian casualties in the civil war, or the building of the Crimea bridge. Say what you want about globalist interest in Ukraine, but Ukraine would have not been a significant threat against Russia, and screwing it to hell has significantly hurt the Russian people.
About the researchers; here is one article I found in my bookmarks. I saw others, but, admittedly, I can't locate them at this time. I will probably do more digging later, and I recommend you do the same.
In our talk, my friend agreed with what I was telling you. We'll attempt to compile some more direct sources and get them to you, but that may take time and I don't want to impose on him too much.
In the mean time, I recommend looking into some of the stuff I've talked about here. I don't know if you can read or translate Russian, but I do know that most Russian news sources that are in English are very pro-Putin, and, as you said, Western sources tend to be pretty horrible these days (that said, don't fall for the same trap many on the left have fallen for in reverse; just because the MSM says something, doesn't mean it is wrong; the best lies are those mixed with truth).
By "us" here, I mean the generally shared cause of those of "us" Patriots on this forum, or similarly minded people abroad; the MAGA movement, if you will.
I don't disagree that the Deep State conducts the same thing; every major power has been doing that for well over 100 years; no major world power is conducting it's own affairs in peace without attempting to interfere in the affairs of others.
You could even argue that it's justified; that said, then, Poland is justified in their self-fortification.
To be clear; Poland isn't universally anti-Russia. Poland does not want to witness Russia conquered. Poland does fight against Russian influence abroad, because Poland does not want to be Russia's next victim. Equally, Poland fights the influence of the Deep State abroad, for much the same reasons. Poland is much more of a nation that seeks to (and largely does) conduct it's own affairs in peace; and, as the expression goes, "to secure peace is to prepare for war".
As a sidenote about similarities to American propaganda; the best propaganda utilizes truth as a basis for a fraudulent follow-up argument. The propaganda artists of the Deep State are masters at their craft; they likely also follow this. If we applied this formula to a common propaganda argument, it might look like this:
"Putin runs a wide network of intelligence, propaganda, and foreign interference. Putin has used this network to interfere in the 2016 election."
There are two statements there. Both could be false, both could be true; equally, one could be false and the other could be true. Just because the propaganda as a whole isn't accurate (Putin interfered in the 2016 election); that doesn't mean that the things it is based in are false, too.
It's too general, then, because Putin doesn't give a shit about "defeating" America First nationalists like me.
Between Russia and Western deepstate, Poland aligned itself with the latter, which unequivocally DOES want to see Russia conquered. It's not self-fortification, it's choosing the side more likely to win. What they fight abroad is the surface level cultural subversion, anti-Christianity and the like. But like I said, it's about being able to conduct your own affairs in peace. That's contingent on OTHERS leaving you alone. I'm not saying the deepstate does "the same thing", I'm saying what you're claiming is Putin's strategy, isn't; it's the deepstate's.
The propaganda isn't about Putin having intelligence agencies, it's characterizing his regime as a "mafia", which delegitimizes it and has been the number one point of attack from the deepstate and the "democracy" movements it sponsors to destabilize and takeover countries.
Have you talked to anyone from modern Russia? I think most people there understand that Russia (like most countries, really) is ruled by a class of powerful oligarchs, each with their own area. The biggest difference is that Russia doesn't really try to hide it.
My understanding is that the mainstream narrative is that Russia is run like a Nazi nation; not that it's run like the mob. Anyway, you can look at just about any investigative journalism (much of which is not mainstream) or the stories going back decades about the Russian Mob/Mafia and it's power; or the stories from residents about totally batshit crazy stuff with police; it's not hard to find the stories that point to it, and it isn't wrong either.
Either way, if Putin's regime couldn't withstand a little bit of de-legitimization, it wouldn't be here. He's demonstrated time and time again that he isn't afraid to just disappear people that are in opposition to him.
Also; there is a good amount of evidence to suggest that Putin does dealings with the deep state all the time. Just look at how they've handled corona; leading researchers that get too close to the truth tend to kill themselves there, just like here. I don't think it's nearly as black and white or clear-cut as it would be convenient for it to be; I think Putin ultimately just takes whatever actions he thinks will benefit him the most, whether or not it's working with or against the DS.
All I'm trying to say is this; Poland is nationalist, we seek a very similar kind of nationalism, and Putin is generally a nationalist as far as it helps him. An alliance can be made between us; and, indeed, exists between our peoples; but it will most likely remain a tense alliance; that said, we're typically far more mature than our globalist counterparts, and, as such, I think a tentative alliance can be made.
Yeah no; the MSM narrative is identical to yours. Mob, oligarchy, corrupt, oppressive, anti-democracy, etc. etc. straight down to specific phrases, "disappearing opposition", "time and time again".
What researchers?
We don't seek the same thing. Poland's nationalism is a compromising, dependent nationalism. Putin's nationalism isn't, that's why Russia's the pariah'd country that has globalists frothing at it. Being constantly under threat of the Gaddafi treatment isn't a benefit to him in the slightest. That's why there's nothing tense or tentative with Russia for me.
Here's my recommendation; I cross checked with my Russian friend; he says that this should be easily found on any Russian news source, if you can understand Russian.
He said he doesn't watch or care about Western news sources.
First, you should look into military posturing; he talked about how, frequently, Putin will create an enemy of some kind to unite the populace against anything other than him; with little regard for soldiers in the process. An example that comes to mind is intervention in the Middle East.
Second, he recommended you look into the last Russian election; Putin claimed to be backing away from it and allowing other politicians to take the "wheel". He was still elected, and under suspicious circumstances.
Third, he talks about Ukraine. He acknowledges that there were always tensions with Ukraine since the ending of the Soviet Union, but he makes clear that seizure of Crimea was a really despicable action that devastated Ukraine and cost the Russian people dearly; look at Russian casualties in the civil war, or the building of the Crimea bridge. Say what you want about globalist interest in Ukraine, but Ukraine would have not been a significant threat against Russia, and screwing it to hell has significantly hurt the Russian people.
About the researchers; here is one article I found in my bookmarks. I saw others, but, admittedly, I can't locate them at this time. I will probably do more digging later, and I recommend you do the same.
In our talk, my friend agreed with what I was telling you. We'll attempt to compile some more direct sources and get them to you, but that may take time and I don't want to impose on him too much.
In the mean time, I recommend looking into some of the stuff I've talked about here. I don't know if you can read or translate Russian, but I do know that most Russian news sources that are in English are very pro-Putin, and, as you said, Western sources tend to be pretty horrible these days (that said, don't fall for the same trap many on the left have fallen for in reverse; just because the MSM says something, doesn't mean it is wrong; the best lies are those mixed with truth).