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tholins 2 points ago +3 / -1

After the first trimester, an abortion has to be conducted surgically. That is, they still have to go in, and pull the baby out, through the woman’s vagina.

There are literally no conditions that would justify killing a baby in the third trimester; the mother still basically has to give birth at that point, so anything you’re trying to avoid there would be moot.

Name me one condition for a pregnant woman that is guaranteed to be fatal even with proper medical care.

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rangers24 3 points ago +3 / -0

I’m guessing you’ve never heard of a cesarean or c-section before, because that’s what would actually happen if it was needed.

It’s also extremely rare to need an abortion at that point. Unless the baby was going to be a still born or some other rare occurrences that a women’s life is in danger from giving birth.

I also never said it was a guaranteed death, so no I’m not going to give you an example where death is a 100% chance. That’s a straight up straw man argument.

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tholins 2 points ago +2 / -0

C-sections are done all the time for many reasons. They’re usually only done for emergency reasons if something goes wrong during labor, or perhaps if a mother presents with a case severe preclampsia very, very suddenly. Typically, even for severe pregnancy-related health conditions, they’ll induce labor.

My point stand though; an abortion would do nothing to correct the problem in a situation where an emergency c-section is warranteed. The baby would still need to come out. Killing it before extracting it doesn’t save the mother in situations like this.

What I’m getting at here is that there are no medical conditions that can be documented late in pregnancy where an abortion fixes the situation. The life-threatening medical conditions that can develop (of which I don’t think you have any knowledge, which I why I asked the question) are controllable/addressable with proper prenatal care.

There are no conditions that we can know about ahead of time, late in pregnancy, where a woman’s life is in danger and can’t be saved by modern medicine. You can die from hemorrhage, for example, but there’s no way to predict that.

Pregnancy terminations for life of the mother tend to happen in early pregnancy. Again, that would be something like an ectopic pregnancy; these pregnancies are typically non-viable anyway. And BTW, even the Catholic Church recognizes those as valid and not sinful, if the primary purpose isn’t killing the child. Exceptions for situations like those would be appropriate and easy to include in abortion bans.