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Staatssicherheit 4 points ago +5 / -1

It is the right move for individuals to decide whether this vaccine is worth the risk to them individually. Not everybody has a 99.7% chance of survival. It is highly dependent on age.

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Martin_VanNostrand [S] 13 points ago +13 / -0

Well, I'm 62 and it's 99.5% for my age range. Plus, do you believe that this vaccine is really beneficial? The more I read and watch about it really makes me wonder.

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Staatssicherheit -6 points ago +3 / -9

Yeah. I do think it is beneficial.

Vaccine:

50 out of 20,000 symptomatic covid

1 out of 20,000 severe covid

Placebo:

275 out of 20,000 symptomatic covid

9 out of 20,000 severe covid

0.5% risk of death seems like a lot to me. Especially considering the risk of death for a 30 year old is 0.009%. But it should be an individual decision.

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tallon 4 points ago +4 / -0

Where are you getting 0.5% risk of death?

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Staatssicherheit -3 points ago +1 / -4

99.5% survival rate.

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orangeline 3 points ago +3 / -0

The problem is that the numbers are very low on both sides, that should be the real take away. A vaccine is not needed if people are walking around and only 9 out of 20000 are really sick and nobody dies. Does the vaccine "work" against COVID? Yeah, it probably offers some protection. But how many drugs get recalled after they have been approved for many many years? A small percentage, but probably higher than the risk of COVID for young people.

If you are 75+ years old, the risk-reward probably favors the vaccine. If you are under 30, I think the risk-reward favors not taking the vaccine until more data comes in.

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Wettestwilly 2 points ago +2 / -0

More data needed is why I'm waiting. I've had access to the vaccine since January. I'm not high risk or front line so I decline. However, my wife works with covid patients everyday in the hospital, so her risk was much higher. Plus we want to have kids and hospitalization and risk of pregnant woman is much higher if they contract covid.

I'd feel much safer taking J&Js vaccine when approved over pfizer and moderna.

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Epic_Caramel 1 point ago +1 / -0

I understand the argument that despite all the side effects, it's marginally better than placebo if you actually get COVID, but I do not want to honor the bad governance that got us here in the first place. Covid was an apocalyptic big deal because they made it an apocalyptic big deal. If it had been reported differently, we wouldve had an unusually strong flu season and that wouldve been it. It's been too politicized and weaponized against people that I will never patronize the oligarchs profiting from this scamdemic if I can help it. Mentally I am DONE with covid, and I was one of the first people to worry about it when the left was still downplaying it before the first week of March 2020 when they realized it could be used against Trump.

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worldowedexplanation 1 point ago +3 / -2

He has CANCER. The cancer is going to kill him. I hate to be the bearer of bad news.

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