I once answered a question on a subreddit (found in NEW) about why there is homophobia and transphobia. I gave real, solid reasons. Many of the answers were similar to yours except they replaced "tranny" with "normie" or "trumper".
Only smart people can fix the problems, because only smart people can identify their cause and know how the other side will react.
I expected better of most on this forum. I also expected BETTER IDEAS like the my title requested.
But if you're ok with having your tax dollars go to pay for 500,000 abortions per year through donations to Planned Parenthood and other private clinics, then I guess I will stfu
You're probably shooting your mouth off about what you're gonna do if
Trump is convicted, but you're going to sit there and do nothing but be angry.
That doesn't help fix any problems.
Fetus DNA will prove whether or not the male identified was or was not the impregnator.
The fear of false claims of rape will be a deterrent and cause makes to either
use protection to prevent that DNA evidence AND UNWANTED IMPREGNATION (the driver for abortion)
chose females more wisely
... the result there will be more conducive to good relationships and marriage.
Having a strong community does not come without sacrifice. Lots of it.
In the old days, they'd stone to death both the male and female committing adultery. Jesus put a stop to that ... and this is where we ended up.
If you can't see it, I guess you'll need to be satisfied with current status
or probably soon to be federal mandates of post-birth abortions.
You know it's coming. And your tax money will pay for it.
Different issue, but I'd for sure like to stop the adoption from other countries.
At the very least from different RACE & CULTURE than the parent host.
That is, White folks don't adopt Chinese girls Light-skin Blacks can't adopt Dark-skin Blacks (very different genetically)
I believe the result of my abortion proposal would within 5 years result in
fewer men engaging in relations with women likely to claim they raped them
because it would deter men from spontaneous encounters which lead to
both false claims and unwanted pregnancy, and encourage transparent
courtship toward marriage. Yes, that sucks for the young men who want to
get off, but it does not suck as much as false claims which happen now
and it will have a reparation effect on communities over 10 years.
Being a "slut" won't be "cool" anymore.
sounds like you're dreaming up this arrangement to shape the world to your view.
That is EXACTLY what I am doing...because I don't like the way it is "now".
If we do not return to tradition; responsible men chose wife and is responsible for her and his children, we are doomed. Worked for thousands of years.
We lost it in 50 years.
Have you considered ways to deter things you don't like that involve ideas other than direct punishment?
Yes. I have also considered that they do not work when there is a community this large and kids are brought-up watching Leftist entertainment and schools allow the most awful things to go on within them. It is all Cause-Effect.
Abortion wasn't a big problem in the 50s. Nor the 70s.
But it became fashionable to be a slut, and now men need to be made aware
of the consequences of associating sluts and being stupid about their choices,
since women don't seem to be that, and it is ONLY women who seek abortions
and ONLY when impregnated by a male. .
This post was obviously written by a liberal cuck.
Your comment was obviously written by a person who causes unwanted pregnancies which lead to tax-funded abortion or welfare mothers and for whom my proposed remedy is written.
What betrays you is that you joined 25 days ago, to come here and create chaos for people trying to fix the problems of our society which are caused by people like you.
I'd like to, but "they" won't go for that. What I know is that "they hate men" and since irresponsible men are involved too, ride that wave.
Adoption.
I don't want the child of Drug dealer Tryrel and crack-ho Taniqua growing up with the White family beside me. Had that for 15 years already. (She also got knocked up at 15 lol) If it was up to me, I'd say kill all 3 but we need to be .... civilized. Leftists believe abortion and hatred/punishment of men is civilized.
So I'm going to push WITH them instead of AGAINST them.
Hysterectomy for repeat murderers
As stated, I totally agree with sterilization, but via tubal ligation. Hysterectomy is more dangerous and would cause law suits against the state. Tubal ligation is also surgically reversible in most cases, so they can't claim we're doing anything totally immoral, but rather giving a form of birth control, at least until she is financially responsible and able to pay for reversal surgery on her own, with an eye toward starting a family. ( and that will probably never happen LOL)
First, you can't just start a conversation off by calling women stupid. Bad juju Girl I'm with more ain't that bright but she cooks, cleans, & tries hard in general... She's never had an abortion. Smartest girl I've ever been with (a RN as of 10 years ago) did have an abortion.
Without reading comments, I'd assume most opposition to your "plan" immediately stems from abolishing private practice. Uniform practice I think is a good thing.
While I think your head is in the right place re: schools, I also think it's only half thought out... I dated a chick that went to Bob Jones U... Kind of a real life version of footloose... Nobody wants that
I'm kind of bored on the details after that, but the flat figures kind of expose your lack of understanding of money. "$25k that's a lot!" Well I used to be able to buy gas for under a dollar and a mcburger was 15 cents
No problem. Hopefully you have a better solution, as requested in title.
First, you can't just start a conversation off by calling women stupid. Bad juju
I just did. But note it is not part of the solution, but rather the fact that
women who have an unwanted pregnancy are either too stupid to be
aware of consequences of their actions or don't care. That is why remedy
will come from holding the male impregnator responsible.
Girl I'm with more ain't that bright but she cooks, cleans, & tries hard in general... She's never had an abortion. Smartest girl I've ever been with (a RN as of 10 years ago) did have an abortion.
But you are also a responsible male who didn't cause an unwanted pregnancy. Right?
Without reading comments, I'd assume most opposition to your "plan" immediately stems from abolishing private practice. Uniform practice I think is a good thing.
Standards for safety and expectation. An abortion in Cali would be basically the same experience as an abortion in NYC.
While I think your head is in the right place re: schools, I also think it's only half thought out...
Ok. I want suggestions for improvement.
I dated a chick that went to Bob Jones U... Kind of a real life version of footloose... Nobody wants that
The females who seek abortions don't want to pay for them nor do they take any accountability for what caused their situation. To imply they are even one
bit responsible means we're "victim-blaming" so, why push AGAINS them?
Push WITH what they already believe: Abortion should not cost WOMEN
money and MEN ARA BAD. In this case, it required a man to cause the
problem and he ought to be the one held responsible. They will agree!.
I'm kind of bored on the details after that,
The details are important.
but the flat figures kind of expose your lack of understanding of money. "$25k that's a lot!" Well I used to be able to buy gas for under a dollar and a mcburger was 15 cents
No, I understand money totally. The "fee" is a "fine" on the male who allowed
himself to make a poor choice of a female or did not use protection and created
a problem that society will either need to
A - Pay to end "now"
or
B - Pay far more to manage later (welfare, child support, crime, etc)
If he's rich, he can pay it in full. If he's not, he will finance it.
If he can do neither, I suppose he'll need to do HARD LABOR.
(forgot to mention that)
TLTR; We have blamed women while trying to stop abortions.
That didn't work.
So let's blame the male - it will change everything. E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G
(Note that a female who presents twice for abortion will be sterilized
so that prevents recurrence as a form of birth control which she perhaps
was unable to afford or too stupid to use previously)
I thank you for your civil reply. Still seeking a better (or alternative) solution.
The better solution is social management... Making people understand the issue.,.. Essentially propaganda. It's the same reason for the proliferation oof degeneracy we see now.
Re: can't call women stupid... i just did
You have to decide if your goal is to preach on top of a soap box or convince people. If you decide you want to convince people, you can't start off like that.
I agree in general with your "push with not against" mentality (might want to research aikido), but my experience with women that have had abortions differ from your perception, which is presumably based on media portrayal.
Re: money- you didn't negate anything that changed my mind... You just offered the "why"....
The better solution is social management... Making people understand the issue
The do not care.
They have spent 20 years trying to prove a fetus is a mere parasite
with no human rights. They LOVE science when it is their LGBT science
but hated it when DNA started to prove otherwise.
My idea uses their established beliefs against them.
They want free abortions and hate men.
So, we make the men pay; they agree.
Men are responsible for the pregnancies, so...
Aikido, 25 years. (Admit entry influenced by the biggest moron)
This is the dumbest "solution" to abortion that I have ever read. It doesn't solve the problem, still leaves no responsibility on the primary person involved (the woman) and would continue to encourage abortions.
The abortion problem isn't because a lack of education on the part of women or men on unintended pregnancy. It isn't a rape or incest problem either (if you do some diligent research, you will see that those are a very small percentage).
It is primarily a problem of women that don't give a shit at the moment, or do make a decision to get pregnant and change their minds later on. It is primarily a problem of guys that don't give a shit because they view abortion as an easy solution (especially for them, since the guy isn't taking any medical risks or inconveniences himself).
Abortion is like drunk driving - it isn't happening because people don't know about it.
The best solution would be to get rid of abortion except in cases where the mother's life was at risk.
If we just wanted to reduce abortion rates while keeping it legal, the next productive steps would be to:
1- get rid of ANY profit/incentive from aborted tissue - no selling, no donating, no 'research" NOTHING.
2 - exempt abortions (that aren't done to save the life of the mother) from standard medical insurance. Like glasses and dental care, let people get separate abortion medical coverage if they want. This would pull the cost away from people who don't get abortions, and put the cost burden back on the people who just don't care and get pregnant.
3 - DNA testing to prove who the father is, and have him be required to pay 1/2 the costs. He could get abortion insurance under same conditions as the woman. There would need to be with mandatory legal reporting where the pregnant woman must identify the father with risk of perjury prison sentence for false reporting.
4 - Strict limits on qualifications of medical staff involved with abortions (yes, including admitting permissions)
5- Strict limits on number of abortions performed and rates charged (this was the only thing the proposed solution got right) so that the procedure is not a money maker for any doctor or facility.
The best solution would be to get rid of abortion except in cases where the mother's life was at risk.
You want a 12 year old White girl to carry the child of a ______ who raped her?
This is the dumbest "solution" to abortion that I have ever read.
You're not intelligent enough to understand.
still leaves no responsibility on the primary person involved (the woman)
She didn't get pregnant on her own. Assuming there was intercourse on the part of a willing male, the primary person responsible for a pregnancy is the male in all cases, no exceptions.
Women have indicated that they will "not" take responsibility. They have long been declared the "weaker sex" due to their inability to take accountability. A man does have a moral responsibility to provide for his children and the woman who reared them. In the old days, a man would be stoned to death for not doing so, because he created a problem for the entire community. When that punishment stopped, then we started to have this problem of "unwanted pregnancy". A man has a responsibility to vet the women he screws to ensure the both want to have a child, or ensure he himself uses a condom or abstains.
Your answer indicates that men are weak and unable to control themselves.
Assuming there was intercourse on the part of a willing male, the primary person responsible for a pregnancy is the male in all cases, no exceptions.
Your level of understanding of this issue, history (see below) and human nature is like a lobotomized rock. With the exception of rape, the primary decision maker on whether intercourse occurs is the woman. Men will pursue and have sex more indiscriminately than women will.
Women have indicated that they will "not" take responsibility.
3 year olds indicate they won't behave. This is no different. People have to be taught right from wrong and held accountable for their actions. The consequences for a three year old might be a time out, a spanking, or denial of some fun activity for a brief time. The consequences for a 30 year old woman having her 3rd abortion should be something severe. The lack of consequences is why this behavior continues and why so many women (and men) think it is no big deal.
In the old days, a man would be stoned to death for not doing so, because he created a problem for the entire community. When that punishment stopped, then we started to have this problem of "unwanted pregnancy"
Stoning was invoke for adultery. Siring a bastard, which is the term for the children fathered out of wedlock and traditionally not care for by the father, was not of itself something that brought about stoning. Abortion existed even before stoning did. You wouldn't know this because you haven't really done any research on the issue. Abortifacients and methods go back to at least ancient Babylonia. There were well known in Egypt, Greece, Rome and were written about by Aristotle and Hippocrates. Abortion started to boom in the United States when SCOTUS made it legal.
It takes two to tango. The primary cause of unwanted pregnancies is promsicuity by both parties. Abortion is no different than drunk driving or a robbery in which an innocent person is killed.
A man has a responsibility to vet the women he screws to ensure the both want to have a child, or ensure he himself uses a condom or abstains.
You don't get out much, do you?
Your answer indicates that men are weak and unable to control themselves.
On the contrary. Men are strong enough and cunning enough to convince women to have sex with them. Men are able to control themselves, but choose not to. Women are able to control themselves, but choose not to.
YOU are exactly the same aas the people who responded to you "the problem is that some people are bigots and bigots need to stop being bigots". How so? You have a one track mind, have poor knowledge of the subject, and your thinking is emotionally driven with no logic involved. You have said NOTHING about the baby in the womb. This tells me and everyone else reading your garbage that you aren't concerned about abortion at all.
With the exception of rape, the primary decision maker on whether intercourse occurs is the woman.
You are retarded. The ratio of male initiated sex vs. female initiated sex is quite unbalanced. The suggestion to punish a man for poor judgement would be more socially acceptable that punishing a woman for same. I know it is a horrible double-standard, but "at this point" you will not get laws which punish women or abortionists, but Congress and most of Senate would vote to punish men for causing unwanted pregnancies, and the fetal DNA would be proof.
Your balking is not about logic; it is about not wanting to hold men accountable for their essential part in unwanted pregnancy and abortion.
The ratio of male initiated sex vs. female initiated sex is quite unbalanced.
It isn't unbalanced at all. It's a product of evolution and the balance has been determined over hundreds of thousands of years. What isn't currently balanced is the lack of consequences for women and men fucking on a whim's notice.
The ratio of final female decision on sex (that isn't rape) is close to 100%.
to punish a man for poor judgement would be more socially acceptable that punishing a woman
It's also socially acceptable right now to "be less white" What kind of cuck upbringing did you have?
Your balking is not about logic; it is about not wanting to hold men accountable for their essential part in unwanted pregnancy
There's no balking here. Your idea wouldn't work, wouldn't do any good and would just end up putting even more abortions onto the tax payers bill.
You aren't smart enough to qualify as retarded. In the thimble full of brain cells that you have, you think women can't be responsible with their actions. Plenty of women are. The declining value placed by society on a traditional family (Husband, Wife and Children) is where abortion began to skyrocket. You wouldn't know any of that because you haven't spent more than 15 minutes researching abortion.
to punish a man for poor judgement would be more socially acceptable that punishing a woman
It's also socially acceptable right now to "be less white" What kind of cuck upbringing did you have?
Race/genetics is not a choice though. A man who chooses to have unprotected sex with a woman who he is not sure wants to raise a child WITH him and impregnates her has however made a choice.
Do you see the difference?
The precedent has been set that women will not be punished and so they will continue to get pregnant by stupid, careless or negligent men. who are also not punished, but nobody has every proposed the idea before BECAUSE IT MEANS WE NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.
Question: Have you ever impregnated a woman who was not happy to have become pregnant?
If not, WHY NOT? ( Bad with women or good with judgement and restraint?)
If so, then it would be clear what is holding you back from (some of) my plan.
(So I don't have all the details - rough draft - but it is either this or abortion continues and continues to be "fashionable" )
Someone can be transracial just as realistically as they can be transsexual. Michael Jackson wasn't the only person trying to change his race.
As for my comment on what was socially acceptable - You should note that Coca Cola is actually doing training with their employees to "be less white". Leftists think being white is a choice.
The precedent has been set that women will not be punished
The precedent was set that slavery is legal. The precedent was set that women would be punished for abortion. If you put your left shoe on first today, then the precedent for putting your shoes in order is "set".
Instead of repeating the same lines, you should look up some of what I have posted. Abortion "rights" were almost overturned not that long ago - Scalia was worried about SCOTUS looking foolish by reversing itself and had to come up with some new convoluted logic and case history to "save" Roe v Wade.
Separate but Equal was also precdent. I'm not sure you understand how history works.
Question: Have you ever impregnated a woman who was not happy to have become pregnant?
If not, WHY NOT? ( Bad with women or good with judgement and restraint?)
Good with judgement and restraint. It is easy to get laid, if that's all you want. It isn't much more difficult to get laid by a good looking woman, if that's all you want. Women are almost as horny as guys are (a few are more so than most guys). The only "secret" is that women aren't horny all the time, like guys are. Knowing when a woman is "ready" is half the battle. Having something the woman wants is the other half. Combine those two and you are in like flint, so long as you don't make any deal breaking mistakes.
Your "solution" also ignores that there are couples that want to have a child, but then the woman decides she doesn't want it after all and has an abortion - when the man is ready to raise the child, by himself if necessary.
Abortion is murder. It is killing a child in the womb. The woman is making the ultimate decision to murder that child, so she (and the abortionist) should be the ones facing prison time.
Abortion is murder. It is killing a child in the womb. The woman is making the ultimate decision to murder that child, so she (and the abortionist) should be the ones facing prison time.
But that is not every going to happen again. So if you want to stop abortion, you need to do it a different way than continuing to preach the same thing which clearly has failed ALREADY.
Get rid of abortion completely and consider ending a life in the womb a crime. You think the abortion industry will agree to your terms? They want abortion immediate, free and ubiquitous your plan is a delusion and only away that would lead to indentured servitude and the sterilization of vast swaths of people.
Get rid of abortion completely and consider ending a life in the womb a crime.
We've tried that. It didn't work.
You think the abortion industry will agree to your terms?
They certainly have not agreed to yours.
What I am proposing is government mandate and punishment of the male impregnator since obviously females can't be responsible for their own actions, as evidenced by over 500,000 abortions paid for by tax dollars in 2020.
They want abortion immediate, free and ubiquitous
Yup, and they got it, and you pay for it.
your plan is a delusion
No, it is there in black n white.
only away that would lead to indentured servitude and the sterilization of vast swaths of people.
Yeah, the ones who are draining you of tax money and making Democrat cities into Satanic shit holes.
My title requested BETTER plans. Got one? Note, it would need to be viable.
I don't want Muhammad Whoever or KuntaKinte or an Antifa Andy knock-up a chick and for you to pay for both mother and child...and for the make to go on doing more of that.
Get rid of abortion completely and consider ending a life in the womb a crime.
We've tried that. It didn't work.
It worked. We have laws against murder, yet murder still occurs. When there were steep penalties, including capital punishment, that were regularly enforced for murder, the number of murders went down. When the penalties for murder are weak, murder goes up. You can bet your leftist ass that if women and doctors received capital punishment for 1st Degree Abortion, there would be far less abortions.
When the penalties for murder are weak, murder goes up.
I agree.
You can bet your leftist ass that if women and doctors received capital punishment for 1st Degree Abortion, there would be far less abortions.
But I am not leftist and women and doctors "will not" receive capital punishment for "1st Degree Abortion" - **but if men were punished severely for creating unwanted pregnancies, it would change society rapidly - whores wouldn't find many willing _____ and abortionists would need to learn to code.
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable. Your "solution" is like sending people to jail who say politically incorrect things that hurt other people's feelings.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus. With every post you seem more like a troll and less like someone who care about this issue.
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable.
This is going over your head like a Bernie supporter in an economics class because you are not understanding these points:
Women will NEVER be punished for having an abortion in USA again.
Abortionists will always have a platform somewhere and do abortions, legally or illegally, as long as there continues to be unwanted pregnancies
Most of the feminist abortion people HATE MEN
No male = no pregnancy
A law to punish males for creating unwanted pregnancies will
encourage men to vet (and reject some) women sex partners or use condoms
reduce unwanted pregnancies which would cause want for abortion
reduce abortions
make it difficult to make a living as an abortionist / clinic
Won't happen overnight, but just as surely as women gradually became more promiscuous and negligent over a few decades, another culture change will occur in the other direction and It is the means to an end.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus.
I don't need to take sides on that matter for this matter, and certainly would not be schooling the left on their misconceptions (uh, no pun intended) when trying to get leftists to agree.
See, you can call it a baby, or full grown man, or an old shoe; but
the union of sperm and egg becomes a single cell zygote.
not technically/medically a baby
within two weeks or so the cell divides and becomes an embryo.
not technically/medically a baby
the embryo becomes a fetus in a few months.
"fetus" is the medically correct term which has been used IN PRINT IN MEDICAL TEXTS since the 1500s to describe developing offspring in the womb of a certain stage of development . That aspect cannot be contested successfully. Saying otherwise is incorrect.
To us, the fetus is both a fetus AND a developing baby.
The left will not concede to that, despite it being true, because it would harm their agenda and "humanize" the fetus (which is ironic and perverted, I know)
Leftists have weaponized this term and fought for it to be nothing but an "object", but it is technically a fetus until it is "issue" (born live), whether we like it or not.
The key though If you want to beat a leftist, if you want them to fall into your trap, you need to speak their language and act as if you concede to their mindset.
That is, we won't "win" an argument simply by telling people they are "wrong",
especially if they are brainwashed. If you asked the question 'If you have a 2x4 board that is exactly 8 feet long and you cut it into 2 equal lengths, how long would each of the two be?" Most would answer "4 feet long" but that isn't correct; most are ignorant to the fact that you loose length to the width of the saw.
So there is no point in calling the subject of abortion anything but a fetus when referring to that subject. Calling it a "baby" will just create argument or "shut down" over that aspect and that result is not productive.
I'm not a leftist, I'm just smarter than most of them and I understand what goes on between their ears; default attack mode over any term they disagree with or must challenge to protect their agenda.
It's like someone arguing that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Can't win that argument in today's culture..
It's also like someone who is gay saying "people need to stop being homophobic"
It is CLEAR that if everyone was suddenly homosexual today, the species would die-out in less than 120 years from now (noting longest life expectancy from a developing fetus that might be born 9 months from now. So, homosexuality is a "disorder" in the individual specimen, and a "disease" in the species. But good luck arguing that in our PC clown world.
Sickening stuff. Genetically map everyone, then hunt down for punishment. Male would never got a fair trial, will always be proven guilty.
The damage something like this could do should freak anyone out.
They are going to make a DNA bank anyway, and you know it.
If you are against abortion, why not punish those who create the need for abortion?
I once answered a question on a subreddit (found in NEW) about why there is homophobia and transphobia. I gave real, solid reasons. Many of the answers were similar to yours except they replaced "tranny" with "normie" or "trumper".
Only smart people can fix the problems, because only smart people can identify their cause and know how the other side will react.
I expected better of most on this forum. I also expected BETTER IDEAS like the my title requested.
But if you're ok with having your tax dollars go to pay for 500,000 abortions per year through donations to Planned Parenthood and other private clinics, then I guess I will stfu
Ok there, "joined 25 days ago"
You're probably shooting your mouth off about what you're gonna do if
Trump is convicted, but you're going to sit there and do nothing but be angry.
That doesn't help fix any problems.
lol, smart move.
Hang a 25,000 bounty on a mans head that any women can threaten and wield as they see fit.
If a woman's word is good enough to prove rape, a mans word should be enough to dismiss a rape claim.
Fetus DNA will prove whether or not the male identified was or was not the impregnator.
The fear of false claims of rape will be a deterrent and cause makes to either
... the result there will be more conducive to good relationships and marriage.
Having a strong community does not come without sacrifice. Lots of it.
In the old days, they'd stone to death both the male and female committing adultery. Jesus put a stop to that ... and this is where we ended up.
If you can't see it, I guess you'll need to be satisfied with current status
or probably soon to be federal mandates of post-birth abortions.
You know it's coming. And your tax money will pay for it.
women are already consenting to unprotected sex and then retroactively revoking that consent.
Maybe they do consent to the sex and happily want a baby, but some 12 year old tweets come up. Eject and financially ruin the man, try again.
You really think that no one will use this as one more weapon?
As long as people are adopting from other countries, we don't even need abortions. Birth the baby then adopt it out.
Different issue, but I'd for sure like to stop the adoption from other countries.
At the very least from different RACE & CULTURE than the parent host.
That is, White folks don't adopt Chinese girls Light-skin Blacks can't adopt Dark-skin Blacks (very different genetically)
I believe the result of my abortion proposal would within 5 years result in
fewer men engaging in relations with women likely to claim they raped them
because it would deter men from spontaneous encounters which lead to both false claims and unwanted pregnancy, and encourage transparent courtship toward marriage. Yes, that sucks for the young men who want to
get off, but it does not suck as much as false claims which happen now
and it will have a reparation effect on communities over 10 years.
Being a "slut" won't be "cool" anymore.
I dunno man, sounds like you're dreaming up this arrangement to shape the world to your view.
Have you considered ways to deter things you don't like that involve ideas other than direct punishment?
That is EXACTLY what I am doing...because I don't like the way it is "now".
If we do not return to tradition; responsible men chose wife and is responsible for her and his children, we are doomed. Worked for thousands of years.
We lost it in 50 years.
Yes. I have also considered that they do not work when there is a community this large and kids are brought-up watching Leftist entertainment and schools allow the most awful things to go on within them. It is all Cause-Effect.
Abortion wasn't a big problem in the 50s. Nor the 70s.
But it became fashionable to be a slut, and now men need to be made aware
of the consequences of associating sluts and being stupid about their choices,
since women don't seem to be that, and it is ONLY women who seek abortions
and ONLY when impregnated by a male. .
Your comment was obviously written by a person who causes unwanted pregnancies which lead to tax-funded abortion or welfare mothers and for whom my proposed remedy is written.
What betrays you is that you joined 25 days ago, to come here and create chaos for people trying to fix the problems of our society which are caused by people like you.
NO TAX PAYER MONEY SHOULD EVER BE USED FOR ABORTIONS
THEN A LOT MORE TAX MONEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE USED FOR DEALING WITH THE PROBLEMS FROM THESE UNWANTED PREGNANCIES
That is, pay a little money to avoid paying a lot of money and suffering other loss including the downfall of society.
Fuck that MY Taxes should not pay for some stupid slut to murder a child and fuck you for suggesting it
I agree. But currently, they are. And A LOT of them.
The title requested better ideas. Got one? NOTE: It would need to be a viable one in the current situation.
I'd like to, but "they" won't go for that. What I know is that "they hate men" and since irresponsible men are involved too, ride that wave.
I don't want the child of Drug dealer Tryrel and crack-ho Taniqua growing up with the White family beside me. Had that for 15 years already. (She also got knocked up at 15 lol) If it was up to me, I'd say kill all 3 but we need to be .... civilized. Leftists believe abortion and hatred/punishment of men is civilized.
So I'm going to push WITH them instead of AGAINST them.
As stated, I totally agree with sterilization, but via tubal ligation. Hysterectomy is more dangerous and would cause law suits against the state. Tubal ligation is also surgically reversible in most cases, so they can't claim we're doing anything totally immoral, but rather giving a form of birth control, at least until she is financially responsible and able to pay for reversal surgery on her own, with an eye toward starting a family. ( and that will probably never happen LOL)
I agree
Yes. A male ought to be aware of whether or not the female is desirous of making a family with him.
So what? They will be found to be false and the female punished.
Your mindset is why your tax dollars are currently paying for so many abortions.
Yeah, I'm going to shit on this a bit.
First, you can't just start a conversation off by calling women stupid. Bad juju Girl I'm with more ain't that bright but she cooks, cleans, & tries hard in general... She's never had an abortion. Smartest girl I've ever been with (a RN as of 10 years ago) did have an abortion.
Without reading comments, I'd assume most opposition to your "plan" immediately stems from abolishing private practice. Uniform practice I think is a good thing.
While I think your head is in the right place re: schools, I also think it's only half thought out... I dated a chick that went to Bob Jones U... Kind of a real life version of footloose... Nobody wants that
I'm kind of bored on the details after that, but the flat figures kind of expose your lack of understanding of money. "$25k that's a lot!" Well I used to be able to buy gas for under a dollar and a mcburger was 15 cents
No problem. Hopefully you have a better solution, as requested in title.
I just did. But note it is not part of the solution, but rather the fact that women who have an unwanted pregnancy are either too stupid to be
aware of consequences of their actions or don't care. That is why remedy
will come from holding the male impregnator responsible.
But you are also a responsible male who didn't cause an unwanted pregnancy. Right?
Standards for safety and expectation. An abortion in Cali would be basically the same experience as an abortion in NYC.
Ok. I want suggestions for improvement.
The females who seek abortions don't want to pay for them nor do they take any accountability for what caused their situation. To imply they are even one
bit responsible means we're "victim-blaming" so, why push AGAINS them?
Push WITH what they already believe: Abortion should not cost WOMEN
money and MEN ARA BAD. In this case, it required a man to cause the
problem and he ought to be the one held responsible. They will agree!.
The details are important.
No, I understand money totally. The "fee" is a "fine" on the male who allowed
himself to make a poor choice of a female or did not use protection and created
a problem that society will either need to
A - Pay to end "now"
or
B - Pay far more to manage later (welfare, child support, crime, etc)
If he's rich, he can pay it in full. If he's not, he will finance it.
If he can do neither, I suppose he'll need to do HARD LABOR.
(forgot to mention that)
TLTR; We have blamed women while trying to stop abortions.
That didn't work.
So let's blame the male - it will change everything. E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G
(Note that a female who presents twice for abortion will be sterilized
so that prevents recurrence as a form of birth control which she perhaps
was unable to afford or too stupid to use previously)
I thank you for your civil reply. Still seeking a better (or alternative) solution.
The better solution is social management... Making people understand the issue.,.. Essentially propaganda. It's the same reason for the proliferation oof degeneracy we see now.
Re: can't call women stupid... i just did
You have to decide if your goal is to preach on top of a soap box or convince people. If you decide you want to convince people, you can't start off like that.
I agree in general with your "push with not against" mentality (might want to research aikido), but my experience with women that have had abortions differ from your perception, which is presumably based on media portrayal.
Re: money- you didn't negate anything that changed my mind... You just offered the "why"....
Thanks for your civil reply and discussion.
The do not care.
They have spent 20 years trying to prove a fetus is a mere parasite
with no human rights. They LOVE science when it is their LGBT science
but hated it when DNA started to prove otherwise.
My idea uses their established beliefs against them.
They want free abortions and hate men.
So, we make the men pay; they agree.
Men are responsible for the pregnancies, so...
Aikido, 25 years. (Admit entry influenced by the biggest moron)
This is the dumbest "solution" to abortion that I have ever read. It doesn't solve the problem, still leaves no responsibility on the primary person involved (the woman) and would continue to encourage abortions.
The abortion problem isn't because a lack of education on the part of women or men on unintended pregnancy. It isn't a rape or incest problem either (if you do some diligent research, you will see that those are a very small percentage). It is primarily a problem of women that don't give a shit at the moment, or do make a decision to get pregnant and change their minds later on. It is primarily a problem of guys that don't give a shit because they view abortion as an easy solution (especially for them, since the guy isn't taking any medical risks or inconveniences himself).
Abortion is like drunk driving - it isn't happening because people don't know about it.
The best solution would be to get rid of abortion except in cases where the mother's life was at risk.
If we just wanted to reduce abortion rates while keeping it legal, the next productive steps would be to:
1- get rid of ANY profit/incentive from aborted tissue - no selling, no donating, no 'research" NOTHING. 2 - exempt abortions (that aren't done to save the life of the mother) from standard medical insurance. Like glasses and dental care, let people get separate abortion medical coverage if they want. This would pull the cost away from people who don't get abortions, and put the cost burden back on the people who just don't care and get pregnant. 3 - DNA testing to prove who the father is, and have him be required to pay 1/2 the costs. He could get abortion insurance under same conditions as the woman. There would need to be with mandatory legal reporting where the pregnant woman must identify the father with risk of perjury prison sentence for false reporting. 4 - Strict limits on qualifications of medical staff involved with abortions (yes, including admitting permissions) 5- Strict limits on number of abortions performed and rates charged (this was the only thing the proposed solution got right) so that the procedure is not a money maker for any doctor or facility.
You want a 12 year old White girl to carry the child of a ______ who raped her?
You're not intelligent enough to understand.
She didn't get pregnant on her own. Assuming there was intercourse on the part of a willing male, the primary person responsible for a pregnancy is the male in all cases, no exceptions.
Women have indicated that they will "not" take responsibility. They have long been declared the "weaker sex" due to their inability to take accountability. A man does have a moral responsibility to provide for his children and the woman who reared them. In the old days, a man would be stoned to death for not doing so, because he created a problem for the entire community. When that punishment stopped, then we started to have this problem of "unwanted pregnancy". A man has a responsibility to vet the women he screws to ensure the both want to have a child, or ensure he himself uses a condom or abstains.
Your answer indicates that men are weak and unable to control themselves.
Your level of understanding of this issue, history (see below) and human nature is like a lobotomized rock. With the exception of rape, the primary decision maker on whether intercourse occurs is the woman. Men will pursue and have sex more indiscriminately than women will.
3 year olds indicate they won't behave. This is no different. People have to be taught right from wrong and held accountable for their actions. The consequences for a three year old might be a time out, a spanking, or denial of some fun activity for a brief time. The consequences for a 30 year old woman having her 3rd abortion should be something severe. The lack of consequences is why this behavior continues and why so many women (and men) think it is no big deal.
It takes two to tango. The primary cause of unwanted pregnancies is promsicuity by both parties. Abortion is no different than drunk driving or a robbery in which an innocent person is killed.
You don't get out much, do you?
On the contrary. Men are strong enough and cunning enough to convince women to have sex with them. Men are able to control themselves, but choose not to. Women are able to control themselves, but choose not to.
YOU are exactly the same aas the people who responded to you "the problem is that some people are bigots and bigots need to stop being bigots". How so? You have a one track mind, have poor knowledge of the subject, and your thinking is emotionally driven with no logic involved. You have said NOTHING about the baby in the womb. This tells me and everyone else reading your garbage that you aren't concerned about abortion at all.
You are retarded. The ratio of male initiated sex vs. female initiated sex is quite unbalanced. The suggestion to punish a man for poor judgement would be more socially acceptable that punishing a woman for same. I know it is a horrible double-standard, but "at this point" you will not get laws which punish women or abortionists, but Congress and most of Senate would vote to punish men for causing unwanted pregnancies, and the fetal DNA would be proof.
Your balking is not about logic; it is about not wanting to hold men accountable for their essential part in unwanted pregnancy and abortion.
It isn't unbalanced at all. It's a product of evolution and the balance has been determined over hundreds of thousands of years. What isn't currently balanced is the lack of consequences for women and men fucking on a whim's notice.
The ratio of final female decision on sex (that isn't rape) is close to 100%.
It's also socially acceptable right now to "be less white" What kind of cuck upbringing did you have?
There's no balking here. Your idea wouldn't work, wouldn't do any good and would just end up putting even more abortions onto the tax payers bill.
You aren't smart enough to qualify as retarded. In the thimble full of brain cells that you have, you think women can't be responsible with their actions. Plenty of women are. The declining value placed by society on a traditional family (Husband, Wife and Children) is where abortion began to skyrocket. You wouldn't know any of that because you haven't spent more than 15 minutes researching abortion.
to punish a man for poor judgement would be more socially acceptable that punishing a woman
Race/genetics is not a choice though. A man who chooses to have unprotected sex with a woman who he is not sure wants to raise a child WITH him and impregnates her has however made a choice.
Do you see the difference?
The precedent has been set that women will not be punished and so they will continue to get pregnant by stupid, careless or negligent men. who are also not punished, but nobody has every proposed the idea before BECAUSE IT MEANS WE NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.
Question: Have you ever impregnated a woman who was not happy to have become pregnant?
If not, WHY NOT? ( Bad with women or good with judgement and restraint?)
If so, then it would be clear what is holding you back from (some of) my plan.
(So I don't have all the details - rough draft - but it is either this or abortion continues and continues to be "fashionable" )
Someone can be transracial just as realistically as they can be transsexual. Michael Jackson wasn't the only person trying to change his race.
As for my comment on what was socially acceptable - You should note that Coca Cola is actually doing training with their employees to "be less white". Leftists think being white is a choice.
The precedent was set that slavery is legal. The precedent was set that women would be punished for abortion. If you put your left shoe on first today, then the precedent for putting your shoes in order is "set".
Instead of repeating the same lines, you should look up some of what I have posted. Abortion "rights" were almost overturned not that long ago - Scalia was worried about SCOTUS looking foolish by reversing itself and had to come up with some new convoluted logic and case history to "save" Roe v Wade.
Separate but Equal was also precdent. I'm not sure you understand how history works.
If not, WHY NOT? ( Bad with women or good with judgement and restraint?)
Good with judgement and restraint. It is easy to get laid, if that's all you want. It isn't much more difficult to get laid by a good looking woman, if that's all you want. Women are almost as horny as guys are (a few are more so than most guys). The only "secret" is that women aren't horny all the time, like guys are. Knowing when a woman is "ready" is half the battle. Having something the woman wants is the other half. Combine those two and you are in like flint, so long as you don't make any deal breaking mistakes.
Your "solution" also ignores that there are couples that want to have a child, but then the woman decides she doesn't want it after all and has an abortion - when the man is ready to raise the child, by himself if necessary.
Abortion is murder. It is killing a child in the womb. The woman is making the ultimate decision to murder that child, so she (and the abortionist) should be the ones facing prison time.
But that is not every going to happen again. So if you want to stop abortion, you need to do it a different way than continuing to preach the same thing which clearly has failed ALREADY.
Sounds like a waste. Just be Prolife.
I once went on an LGBT subreddit and answered a question about why there is homophbia / transphobia..
The answer I go was "the problem is that some people are bigots and bigots need to stop being bigots".
It made as much sense as your answer.
Get rid of abortion completely and consider ending a life in the womb a crime. You think the abortion industry will agree to your terms? They want abortion immediate, free and ubiquitous your plan is a delusion and only away that would lead to indentured servitude and the sterilization of vast swaths of people.
We've tried that. It didn't work.
They certainly have not agreed to yours.
What I am proposing is government mandate and punishment of the male impregnator since obviously females can't be responsible for their own actions, as evidenced by over 500,000 abortions paid for by tax dollars in 2020.
Yup, and they got it, and you pay for it.
No, it is there in black n white.
Yeah, the ones who are draining you of tax money and making Democrat cities into Satanic shit holes.
My title requested BETTER plans. Got one? Note, it would need to be viable.
I don't want Muhammad Whoever or KuntaKinte or an Antifa Andy knock-up a chick and for you to pay for both mother and child...and for the make to go on doing more of that.
It worked. We have laws against murder, yet murder still occurs. When there were steep penalties, including capital punishment, that were regularly enforced for murder, the number of murders went down. When the penalties for murder are weak, murder goes up. You can bet your leftist ass that if women and doctors received capital punishment for 1st Degree Abortion, there would be far less abortions.
I agree.
But I am not leftist and women and doctors "will not" receive capital punishment for "1st Degree Abortion" - **but if men were punished severely for creating unwanted pregnancies, it would change society rapidly - whores wouldn't find many willing _____ and abortionists would need to learn to code.
What part of that do you not understand?
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable. Your "solution" is like sending people to jail who say politically incorrect things that hurt other people's feelings.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus. With every post you seem more like a troll and less like someone who care about this issue.
This is going over your head like a Bernie supporter in an economics class because you are not understanding these points:
A law to punish males for creating unwanted pregnancies will
Won't happen overnight, but just as surely as women gradually became more promiscuous and negligent over a few decades, another culture change will occur in the other direction and It is the means to an end.
I don't need to take sides on that matter for this matter, and certainly would not be schooling the left on their misconceptions (uh, no pun intended) when trying to get leftists to agree.
See, you can call it a baby, or full grown man, or an old shoe; but
the union of sperm and egg becomes a single cell zygote. not technically/medically a baby
within two weeks or so the cell divides and becomes an embryo.
not technically/medically a baby
the embryo becomes a fetus in a few months.
"fetus" is the medically correct term which has been used IN PRINT IN MEDICAL TEXTS since the 1500s to describe developing offspring in the womb of a certain stage of development . That aspect cannot be contested successfully. Saying otherwise is incorrect.
To us, the fetus is both a fetus AND a developing baby.
The left will not concede to that, despite it being true, because it would harm their agenda and "humanize" the fetus (which is ironic and perverted, I know)
Leftists have weaponized this term and fought for it to be nothing but an "object", but it is technically a fetus until it is "issue" (born live), whether we like it or not.
The key though If you want to beat a leftist, if you want them to fall into your trap, you need to speak their language and act as if you concede to their mindset.
That is, we won't "win" an argument simply by telling people they are "wrong",
especially if they are brainwashed. If you asked the question 'If you have a 2x4 board that is exactly 8 feet long and you cut it into 2 equal lengths, how long would each of the two be?" Most would answer "4 feet long" but that isn't correct; most are ignorant to the fact that you loose length to the width of the saw.
So there is no point in calling the subject of abortion anything but a fetus when referring to that subject. Calling it a "baby" will just create argument or "shut down" over that aspect and that result is not productive.
I'm not a leftist, I'm just smarter than most of them and I understand what goes on between their ears; default attack mode over any term they disagree with or must challenge to protect their agenda.
It's like someone arguing that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Can't win that argument in today's culture..
It's also like someone who is gay saying "people need to stop being homophobic"
It is CLEAR that if everyone was suddenly homosexual today, the species would die-out in less than 120 years from now (noting longest life expectancy from a developing fetus that might be born 9 months from now. So, homosexuality is a "disorder" in the individual specimen, and a "disease" in the species. But good luck arguing that in our PC clown world.
Win the war by fighting battles that can be won.