Get rid of abortion completely and consider ending a life in the womb a crime.
We've tried that. It didn't work.
You think the abortion industry will agree to your terms?
They certainly have not agreed to yours.
What I am proposing is government mandate and punishment of the male impregnator since obviously females can't be responsible for their own actions, as evidenced by over 500,000 abortions paid for by tax dollars in 2020.
They want abortion immediate, free and ubiquitous
Yup, and they got it, and you pay for it.
your plan is a delusion
No, it is there in black n white.
only away that would lead to indentured servitude and the sterilization of vast swaths of people.
Yeah, the ones who are draining you of tax money and making Democrat cities into Satanic shit holes.
My title requested BETTER plans. Got one? Note, it would need to be viable.
I don't want Muhammad Whoever or KuntaKinte or an Antifa Andy knock-up a chick and for you to pay for both mother and child...and for the make to go on doing more of that.
Get rid of abortion completely and consider ending a life in the womb a crime.
We've tried that. It didn't work.
It worked. We have laws against murder, yet murder still occurs. When there were steep penalties, including capital punishment, that were regularly enforced for murder, the number of murders went down. When the penalties for murder are weak, murder goes up. You can bet your leftist ass that if women and doctors received capital punishment for 1st Degree Abortion, there would be far less abortions.
When the penalties for murder are weak, murder goes up.
I agree.
You can bet your leftist ass that if women and doctors received capital punishment for 1st Degree Abortion, there would be far less abortions.
But I am not leftist and women and doctors "will not" receive capital punishment for "1st Degree Abortion" - **but if men were punished severely for creating unwanted pregnancies, it would change society rapidly - whores wouldn't find many willing _____ and abortionists would need to learn to code.
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable. Your "solution" is like sending people to jail who say politically incorrect things that hurt other people's feelings.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus. With every post you seem more like a troll and less like someone who care about this issue.
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable.
This is going over your head like a Bernie supporter in an economics class because you are not understanding these points:
Women will NEVER be punished for having an abortion in USA again.
Abortionists will always have a platform somewhere and do abortions, legally or illegally, as long as there continues to be unwanted pregnancies
Most of the feminist abortion people HATE MEN
No male = no pregnancy
A law to punish males for creating unwanted pregnancies will
encourage men to vet (and reject some) women sex partners or use condoms
reduce unwanted pregnancies which would cause want for abortion
reduce abortions
make it difficult to make a living as an abortionist / clinic
Won't happen overnight, but just as surely as women gradually became more promiscuous and negligent over a few decades, another culture change will occur in the other direction and It is the means to an end.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus.
I don't need to take sides on that matter for this matter, and certainly would not be schooling the left on their misconceptions (uh, no pun intended) when trying to get leftists to agree.
See, you can call it a baby, or full grown man, or an old shoe; but
the union of sperm and egg becomes a single cell zygote.
not technically/medically a baby
within two weeks or so the cell divides and becomes an embryo.
not technically/medically a baby
the embryo becomes a fetus in a few months.
"fetus" is the medically correct term which has been used IN PRINT IN MEDICAL TEXTS since the 1500s to describe developing offspring in the womb of a certain stage of development . That aspect cannot be contested successfully. Saying otherwise is incorrect.
To us, the fetus is both a fetus AND a developing baby.
The left will not concede to that, despite it being true, because it would harm their agenda and "humanize" the fetus (which is ironic and perverted, I know)
Leftists have weaponized this term and fought for it to be nothing but an "object", but it is technically a fetus until it is "issue" (born live), whether we like it or not.
The key though If you want to beat a leftist, if you want them to fall into your trap, you need to speak their language and act as if you concede to their mindset.
That is, we won't "win" an argument simply by telling people they are "wrong",
especially if they are brainwashed. If you asked the question 'If you have a 2x4 board that is exactly 8 feet long and you cut it into 2 equal lengths, how long would each of the two be?" Most would answer "4 feet long" but that isn't correct; most are ignorant to the fact that you loose length to the width of the saw.
So there is no point in calling the subject of abortion anything but a fetus when referring to that subject. Calling it a "baby" will just create argument or "shut down" over that aspect and that result is not productive.
I'm not a leftist, I'm just smarter than most of them and I understand what goes on between their ears; default attack mode over any term they disagree with or must challenge to protect their agenda.
It's like someone arguing that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Can't win that argument in today's culture..
It's also like someone who is gay saying "people need to stop being homophobic"
It is CLEAR that if everyone was suddenly homosexual today, the species would die-out in less than 120 years from now (noting longest life expectancy from a developing fetus that might be born 9 months from now. So, homosexuality is a "disorder" in the individual specimen, and a "disease" in the species. But good luck arguing that in our PC clown world.
We've tried that. It didn't work.
They certainly have not agreed to yours.
What I am proposing is government mandate and punishment of the male impregnator since obviously females can't be responsible for their own actions, as evidenced by over 500,000 abortions paid for by tax dollars in 2020.
Yup, and they got it, and you pay for it.
No, it is there in black n white.
Yeah, the ones who are draining you of tax money and making Democrat cities into Satanic shit holes.
My title requested BETTER plans. Got one? Note, it would need to be viable.
I don't want Muhammad Whoever or KuntaKinte or an Antifa Andy knock-up a chick and for you to pay for both mother and child...and for the make to go on doing more of that.
It worked. We have laws against murder, yet murder still occurs. When there were steep penalties, including capital punishment, that were regularly enforced for murder, the number of murders went down. When the penalties for murder are weak, murder goes up. You can bet your leftist ass that if women and doctors received capital punishment for 1st Degree Abortion, there would be far less abortions.
I agree.
But I am not leftist and women and doctors "will not" receive capital punishment for "1st Degree Abortion" - **but if men were punished severely for creating unwanted pregnancies, it would change society rapidly - whores wouldn't find many willing _____ and abortionists would need to learn to code.
What part of that do you not understand?
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable. Your "solution" is like sending people to jail who say politically incorrect things that hurt other people's feelings.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus. With every post you seem more like a troll and less like someone who care about this issue.
This is going over your head like a Bernie supporter in an economics class because you are not understanding these points:
A law to punish males for creating unwanted pregnancies will
Won't happen overnight, but just as surely as women gradually became more promiscuous and negligent over a few decades, another culture change will occur in the other direction and It is the means to an end.
I don't need to take sides on that matter for this matter, and certainly would not be schooling the left on their misconceptions (uh, no pun intended) when trying to get leftists to agree.
See, you can call it a baby, or full grown man, or an old shoe; but
the union of sperm and egg becomes a single cell zygote. not technically/medically a baby
within two weeks or so the cell divides and becomes an embryo.
not technically/medically a baby
the embryo becomes a fetus in a few months.
"fetus" is the medically correct term which has been used IN PRINT IN MEDICAL TEXTS since the 1500s to describe developing offspring in the womb of a certain stage of development . That aspect cannot be contested successfully. Saying otherwise is incorrect.
To us, the fetus is both a fetus AND a developing baby.
The left will not concede to that, despite it being true, because it would harm their agenda and "humanize" the fetus (which is ironic and perverted, I know)
Leftists have weaponized this term and fought for it to be nothing but an "object", but it is technically a fetus until it is "issue" (born live), whether we like it or not.
The key though If you want to beat a leftist, if you want them to fall into your trap, you need to speak their language and act as if you concede to their mindset.
That is, we won't "win" an argument simply by telling people they are "wrong",
especially if they are brainwashed. If you asked the question 'If you have a 2x4 board that is exactly 8 feet long and you cut it into 2 equal lengths, how long would each of the two be?" Most would answer "4 feet long" but that isn't correct; most are ignorant to the fact that you loose length to the width of the saw.
So there is no point in calling the subject of abortion anything but a fetus when referring to that subject. Calling it a "baby" will just create argument or "shut down" over that aspect and that result is not productive.
I'm not a leftist, I'm just smarter than most of them and I understand what goes on between their ears; default attack mode over any term they disagree with or must challenge to protect their agenda.
It's like someone arguing that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Can't win that argument in today's culture..
It's also like someone who is gay saying "people need to stop being homophobic"
It is CLEAR that if everyone was suddenly homosexual today, the species would die-out in less than 120 years from now (noting longest life expectancy from a developing fetus that might be born 9 months from now. So, homosexuality is a "disorder" in the individual specimen, and a "disease" in the species. But good luck arguing that in our PC clown world.
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