When the penalties for murder are weak, murder goes up.
I agree.
You can bet your leftist ass that if women and doctors received capital punishment for 1st Degree Abortion, there would be far less abortions.
But I am not leftist and women and doctors "will not" receive capital punishment for "1st Degree Abortion" - **but if men were punished severely for creating unwanted pregnancies, it would change society rapidly - whores wouldn't find many willing _____ and abortionists would need to learn to code.
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable. Your "solution" is like sending people to jail who say politically incorrect things that hurt other people's feelings.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus. With every post you seem more like a troll and less like someone who care about this issue.
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable.
This is going over your head like a Bernie supporter in an economics class because you are not understanding these points:
Women will NEVER be punished for having an abortion in USA again.
Abortionists will always have a platform somewhere and do abortions, legally or illegally, as long as there continues to be unwanted pregnancies
Most of the feminist abortion people HATE MEN
No male = no pregnancy
A law to punish males for creating unwanted pregnancies will
encourage men to vet (and reject some) women sex partners or use condoms
reduce unwanted pregnancies which would cause want for abortion
reduce abortions
make it difficult to make a living as an abortionist / clinic
Won't happen overnight, but just as surely as women gradually became more promiscuous and negligent over a few decades, another culture change will occur in the other direction and It is the means to an end.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus.
I don't need to take sides on that matter for this matter, and certainly would not be schooling the left on their misconceptions (uh, no pun intended) when trying to get leftists to agree.
See, you can call it a baby, or full grown man, or an old shoe; but
the union of sperm and egg becomes a single cell zygote.
not technically/medically a baby
within two weeks or so the cell divides and becomes an embryo.
not technically/medically a baby
the embryo becomes a fetus in a few months.
"fetus" is the medically correct term which has been used IN PRINT IN MEDICAL TEXTS since the 1500s to describe developing offspring in the womb of a certain stage of development . That aspect cannot be contested successfully. Saying otherwise is incorrect.
To us, the fetus is both a fetus AND a developing baby.
The left will not concede to that, despite it being true, because it would harm their agenda and "humanize" the fetus (which is ironic and perverted, I know)
Leftists have weaponized this term and fought for it to be nothing but an "object", but it is technically a fetus until it is "issue" (born live), whether we like it or not.
The key though If you want to beat a leftist, if you want them to fall into your trap, you need to speak their language and act as if you concede to their mindset.
That is, we won't "win" an argument simply by telling people they are "wrong",
especially if they are brainwashed. If you asked the question 'If you have a 2x4 board that is exactly 8 feet long and you cut it into 2 equal lengths, how long would each of the two be?" Most would answer "4 feet long" but that isn't correct; most are ignorant to the fact that you loose length to the width of the saw.
So there is no point in calling the subject of abortion anything but a fetus when referring to that subject. Calling it a "baby" will just create argument or "shut down" over that aspect and that result is not productive.
I'm not a leftist, I'm just smarter than most of them and I understand what goes on between their ears; default attack mode over any term they disagree with or must challenge to protect their agenda.
It's like someone arguing that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Can't win that argument in today's culture..
It's also like someone who is gay saying "people need to stop being homophobic"
It is CLEAR that if everyone was suddenly homosexual today, the species would die-out in less than 120 years from now (noting longest life expectancy from a developing fetus that might be born 9 months from now. So, homosexuality is a "disorder" in the individual specimen, and a "disease" in the species. But good luck arguing that in our PC clown world.
This is going over your head like a Bernie supporter in an economics class because you are not understanding these points:
Your points are simple and easy to understand. You did a good job of presenting them clearly. Your points are not logical, not practical and will not results the changes you hope they will. They will exacerbate the problem, instead of solving it. Your solution is like saying the Dindu will never accept a criminal sentence for robbery, so therefore the shop owner who tempted him with expensive goods must be punished. You can't understand that because you have already decided that your "solution" is a fait accompli and have a mental block on accepting that it can and will fail. It would fail spectacularly.
Women will NEVER be punished for having an abortion in USA again.
You wish. Like slavery was once accepted, then reviled, so will abortion become.
Roe v Wade was almost overturned twice by SCOTUS. The founding fathers considered banning slavery in the original Constitution (see one of Jefferson's versions) but knew the states weren't ready for it yet. If it weren't for immigration (not that I am for illegal immigration) , the US population would have declined so much by now that we would be in economic dire straits.
Abortionists will always have a platform somewhere and do abortions, legally or illegally, as long as there continues to be unwanted pregnancies
So will murderers, robbers, drug dealers, rapists and pimps. There will always be drunk drivers, so why even bother making it illegal?
Most of the feminist abortion people HATE MEN
So they say, but they still open their legs for men and get pregnant. They also hate America, freedom, guns and families, so should we put harsh penalties on anyone that likes America or families? Are you going to give in to every leftist desire? If so, you are a bigger cuck that Trudeau.
No male = no pregnancy
No female= no pregnancy.
"fetus" is the medically correct term
Homo Sapien is the correct term for a human being, and medically there is no definition of race, yet we use more common terms all the time to distinguish people. A pregnant woman doesn't have a Fetus Shower, she has a Baby Shower. She doesn't say "I'm having a fetus!"
I'm not a leftist, I'm just smarter than most of them
That isn't tough considering their median IQ is 80-90. You suffer from some serious critical thinking skills and lack the ability to conjugate complex ideas in your head. In your mind the dog won't accept being yelled at for pooping on the carpet, so the solution is to penalize the cat. Men aren't deciding if an abortion is done - that is the woman's decision. Somehow you missed that.
It's like someone arguing that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Can't win that argument in today's culture..
You'd get in trouble for speaking such among the general public, but you could still win the argument, and a very large portion of people would agree with you, even if they didn't speak up and say so.
The key though If you want to beat a leftist, if you want them to fall into your trap, you need to speak their language
You don't. You need to bring out the hypocrisies of their positions in a way that first, they can't reconcile and two, directly effect them personally. Then they begin to listen and become red pilled.
and act as if you concede to their mindset.
This is absolutely the wrong direction. This is what Trump was fighting against, and what MAGA is against.
Concede = Cuck
You can do better than that.
Concede nothing, give zero ground, but continue to hammer home the real life consequences of leftist policies and actions. As a practical example, I have a co-worker who is a complete TDS leftist. Her weak point is taxes - she is already IRATE at the percentage she pays in taxes every year. As soon as Biden begins pushing that percentage up, I will begin going after "what are we getting for all these extra taxes?" approach, and the only thing she will be able to list are feel good policies. She's smart, she's practical, but she's had the wool pulled over her eyes for decades. The comparison between Orange Man Bad year good finances and Joe Man Savior bad finances will weaken her resolve and break the conditioning. At that point, she will be ready to ingest some serious red pills.
You can put out ideas and keep them separate from any political party or candidate. Frame them in practical terms of how they affect YOU or how they will affect the person you are talking to. Leftists have a hard time getting away from this approach. If you do it as questions that they have to answer themselves, they are even more lost.
Women can already get a cheap, quick abortion with no doctor visit or prescription. A Plan B pill can be as cheap as $11.85 and full retail is less than $50.
I'm sure you already knew that, since you have researched your subject so thoroughly - didn't you?
Women can already get a cheap, quick abortion with no doctor visit or prescription. I'm sure you already knew that, since you have researched your subject so thoroughly - didn't you?
Yes, and there were over half a million abortions performed in the U.S. last year. See, Plan B only works for a few days after fertilization, and many women don't know they are pregnant until they are a few months along. Futher, by your standard, the zygote upon which Plan B is effective would be a "baby" .
There is something inconsistent about your angle. Easy to happen when your original angle is flawed.
I'm not going to argue this any longer with someone who doesn't understand Game Theory and The Art of War.
I did not write "concede".
What I wrote is:
act as if you concede to their mindset.
It's a trap. One they won't walk into if they are REEEEEEEEE about a minor detail, such as you are.
Negroid, Mongoloid or Caucasoid is evident in DNA.
Where there was an Negroid ancestor within a few generations, a person is Negroid according to DNA, even if they don't "look it" because the Negroid genes are dominant. Something very special happened with Neanderthal.
I agree.
But I am not leftist and women and doctors "will not" receive capital punishment for "1st Degree Abortion" - **but if men were punished severely for creating unwanted pregnancies, it would change society rapidly - whores wouldn't find many willing _____ and abortionists would need to learn to code.
What part of that do you not understand?
You are still a leftist if you think that the only solution to a problem is punishing one group of people and not holding everyone responsible accountable. Your "solution" is like sending people to jail who say politically incorrect things that hurt other people's feelings.
You still haven't said anything about the baby being a human life, and keep calling the baby a fetus. With every post you seem more like a troll and less like someone who care about this issue.
This is going over your head like a Bernie supporter in an economics class because you are not understanding these points:
A law to punish males for creating unwanted pregnancies will
Won't happen overnight, but just as surely as women gradually became more promiscuous and negligent over a few decades, another culture change will occur in the other direction and It is the means to an end.
I don't need to take sides on that matter for this matter, and certainly would not be schooling the left on their misconceptions (uh, no pun intended) when trying to get leftists to agree.
See, you can call it a baby, or full grown man, or an old shoe; but
the union of sperm and egg becomes a single cell zygote. not technically/medically a baby
within two weeks or so the cell divides and becomes an embryo.
not technically/medically a baby
the embryo becomes a fetus in a few months.
"fetus" is the medically correct term which has been used IN PRINT IN MEDICAL TEXTS since the 1500s to describe developing offspring in the womb of a certain stage of development . That aspect cannot be contested successfully. Saying otherwise is incorrect.
To us, the fetus is both a fetus AND a developing baby.
The left will not concede to that, despite it being true, because it would harm their agenda and "humanize" the fetus (which is ironic and perverted, I know)
Leftists have weaponized this term and fought for it to be nothing but an "object", but it is technically a fetus until it is "issue" (born live), whether we like it or not.
The key though If you want to beat a leftist, if you want them to fall into your trap, you need to speak their language and act as if you concede to their mindset.
That is, we won't "win" an argument simply by telling people they are "wrong",
especially if they are brainwashed. If you asked the question 'If you have a 2x4 board that is exactly 8 feet long and you cut it into 2 equal lengths, how long would each of the two be?" Most would answer "4 feet long" but that isn't correct; most are ignorant to the fact that you loose length to the width of the saw.
So there is no point in calling the subject of abortion anything but a fetus when referring to that subject. Calling it a "baby" will just create argument or "shut down" over that aspect and that result is not productive.
I'm not a leftist, I'm just smarter than most of them and I understand what goes on between their ears; default attack mode over any term they disagree with or must challenge to protect their agenda.
It's like someone arguing that homosexuality is a mental disorder. Can't win that argument in today's culture..
It's also like someone who is gay saying "people need to stop being homophobic"
It is CLEAR that if everyone was suddenly homosexual today, the species would die-out in less than 120 years from now (noting longest life expectancy from a developing fetus that might be born 9 months from now. So, homosexuality is a "disorder" in the individual specimen, and a "disease" in the species. But good luck arguing that in our PC clown world.
Win the war by fighting battles that can be won.
Your points are simple and easy to understand. You did a good job of presenting them clearly. Your points are not logical, not practical and will not results the changes you hope they will. They will exacerbate the problem, instead of solving it. Your solution is like saying the Dindu will never accept a criminal sentence for robbery, so therefore the shop owner who tempted him with expensive goods must be punished. You can't understand that because you have already decided that your "solution" is a fait accompli and have a mental block on accepting that it can and will fail. It would fail spectacularly.
You wish. Like slavery was once accepted, then reviled, so will abortion become.
Roe v Wade was almost overturned twice by SCOTUS. The founding fathers considered banning slavery in the original Constitution (see one of Jefferson's versions) but knew the states weren't ready for it yet. If it weren't for immigration (not that I am for illegal immigration) , the US population would have declined so much by now that we would be in economic dire straits.
So will murderers, robbers, drug dealers, rapists and pimps. There will always be drunk drivers, so why even bother making it illegal?
So they say, but they still open their legs for men and get pregnant. They also hate America, freedom, guns and families, so should we put harsh penalties on anyone that likes America or families? Are you going to give in to every leftist desire? If so, you are a bigger cuck that Trudeau.
No female= no pregnancy.
Homo Sapien is the correct term for a human being, and medically there is no definition of race, yet we use more common terms all the time to distinguish people. A pregnant woman doesn't have a Fetus Shower, she has a Baby Shower. She doesn't say "I'm having a fetus!"
That isn't tough considering their median IQ is 80-90. You suffer from some serious critical thinking skills and lack the ability to conjugate complex ideas in your head. In your mind the dog won't accept being yelled at for pooping on the carpet, so the solution is to penalize the cat. Men aren't deciding if an abortion is done - that is the woman's decision. Somehow you missed that.
You'd get in trouble for speaking such among the general public, but you could still win the argument, and a very large portion of people would agree with you, even if they didn't speak up and say so.
You don't. You need to bring out the hypocrisies of their positions in a way that first, they can't reconcile and two, directly effect them personally. Then they begin to listen and become red pilled.
This is absolutely the wrong direction. This is what Trump was fighting against, and what MAGA is against.
Concede = Cuck
You can do better than that.
Concede nothing, give zero ground, but continue to hammer home the real life consequences of leftist policies and actions. As a practical example, I have a co-worker who is a complete TDS leftist. Her weak point is taxes - she is already IRATE at the percentage she pays in taxes every year. As soon as Biden begins pushing that percentage up, I will begin going after "what are we getting for all these extra taxes?" approach, and the only thing she will be able to list are feel good policies. She's smart, she's practical, but she's had the wool pulled over her eyes for decades. The comparison between Orange Man Bad year good finances and Joe Man Savior bad finances will weaken her resolve and break the conditioning. At that point, she will be ready to ingest some serious red pills.
You can put out ideas and keep them separate from any political party or candidate. Frame them in practical terms of how they affect YOU or how they will affect the person you are talking to. Leftists have a hard time getting away from this approach. If you do it as questions that they have to answer themselves, they are even more lost.
Women can already get a cheap, quick abortion with no doctor visit or prescription. A Plan B pill can be as cheap as $11.85 and full retail is less than $50.
I'm sure you already knew that, since you have researched your subject so thoroughly - didn't you?
Yes, and there were over half a million abortions performed in the U.S. last year. See, Plan B only works for a few days after fertilization, and many women don't know they are pregnant until they are a few months along. Futher, by your standard, the zygote upon which Plan B is effective would be a "baby" .
There is something inconsistent about your angle. Easy to happen when your original angle is flawed.
I'm not going to argue this any longer with someone who doesn't understand Game Theory and The Art of War.
I did not write "concede".
What I wrote is:
act as if you concede to their mindset.
It's a trap. One they won't walk into if they are REEEEEEEEE about a minor detail, such as you are.
Negroid, Mongoloid or Caucasoid is evident in DNA.
Where there was an Negroid ancestor within a few generations, a person is Negroid according to DNA, even if they don't "look it" because the Negroid genes are dominant. Something very special happened with Neanderthal.
K, we're done.