You can. It's just that the first amendment is very biased toward freedom of speech. Rightfully so. It also requires very deep pockets. Media outlets can exhaust your life savings with motions and delay tactics without breaking a sweat. It's totally rigged in that sense.
I'm just finishing the book Conspiracy by Ryan Holiday about Peter Thiel & Hulk Hogan vs. Gawker media. They won, but it took a lot of money and conspiring.
IMO this is the one place our forefathers dropped the ball. The onus should always be on the publisher to prove they didn’t act maliciously, rather than the person who was harmed having to prove they did.
Mostly because trying to prove intent is extremely difficult, almost like proving a negative, and without a confession or secret recording it’s almost impossible to prove they acted maliciously just to harm you. “It’s just an opinion, man” is the common defense.
The Hulk Hogan case was easy, they had a court order and Gawker still refused to remove the video. That’s obvious malicious conduct to cause harm. That shouldn’t be the bar that has to be reached for redress, especially if you’re fighting against false allegations, because you’re forced to revictimize yourself in the court of public opinion to seek justice.
Yeah, it's already hard enough to prove that someone was negligent in publishing a falsehood, because when there's a lot of facts and hearsay out there it can be easy to overlook critical information. Proving malice is nearly impossible.
"People reached out to you and you ignored them / refused to publish a retraction" should be enough evidence if it can be shown that 1) the correct information could have been confirmed and 2) a reasonable amount of time passed since the demand for retraction and filing the lawsuit.
Several years ago, I had a blog post accuse me of being behind an Internet personality. While the personality was not criminal in actions, the blog did bring unwarranted and uncomfortable attention toward me.
I was not the person they posted. I spoke with my attorneys and they advised me to contact the author and explain they needed to publicly retract the statement as a first and cheaper tactic. The author caved. They were just guessing and had no proof. I guess I had written some things in a public sphere that reminded them of that person and attributed it to me.
It's a great quick read. I literally just finished it a few moments ago and I'm heading to the library now to return it.
There's some mild TDS in there because of Thiel's endorsement of Trump at the RNC, but it's always fun to relive the 2016 election regardless of who is telling the story.
Also, I've said it before and I'm going to keep saying it, this site needs a book club badly. There is so much great material out there. We don't have to keep sharing the same Breitbart and Gateway Pundit links. Books go deep and can be very inspiring towards our cause.
Some of the early conservative talk radio shows were book author interview shows. Was a good thing that got us listeners to read a lot. Everyday conservatives knew more Soviet history than most state department staff and more about Marxism than most self proclaimed communists.
Thanks. I know a lot of people would get involved in it. The trouble is it really needs to be integrated into the site so it doesn't just get lost in all the other threads. One stickie for the book of the month or maybe its own pane in the sidebar. I'd be happy to help run it if anybody has a moderators ear.
It’s only difficult Obummer signed an EO, or this was passed as part of a Defense Authorization Act, reclassified most media as entertainment and un-outlawed propaganda in the US. Fix that shit and these traitors would be crushed in any non-treasonous court. (Obviously that last is a problem too but, yah know, one problem at a time).
I've read countless stories of people who found out the truth about this false reporting, then started questioning more of Trump's coverage. Same with the koi feeding incident in Japan, and the "drink bleach" idiocy.
Many things redpill people, or at the very least cause them to say "wait a minute, I've been told this for years and now they admit it's not true". What they do after that is up to them.
Yes. This is Trump clearing his name from the lies his enemies among politicians and the MSM spread. When this lie of who Trump was comes crashing down what reason is their to hate him among so many. The better he looks, the better we all look and the crazier the media looks for promoting violence towards us. Trump's a very reasonable guy as we all know.
why are you still trying to be liked? We need to win; when we push forward more and advance our own narratives, then we get more followers. Optics is not so important at the moment.
It is about winning. Are you really that slow? The MSM has overextended themselves with massive lies and made Trump into someone he isn't to many folks and when that illusion is shattered to more and more the MSM will forever lose it's power as noone will believe in it. No more coronavirus hysteria or so many other hysterias and no reason for many people to dislike Trump.
Optics won't matter in the end if Trump or our movement doesn't succeed.The Dems don't care about Hypocrisy; they care about Winning and they win by Pushing their agenda forward.I want Trump,s team to be on the offense not defense.
That's not the point. The point is that for YEARS, the media claimed he was promoting "bigotry," when in fact he condemned it. And they were just forced to air the proof that they lied.
It is indeed the point. And instead of condemning it, he should have attacked them back along that specific front but instead, they were allowed to control the narrative all during the last 4 years, keeping "the right" constantly on the defense. That's not how you win.
That is the spirit. Too many people here are concerned with being liked; I am concerned with Us winning. We need to be on the offensive instead of the defensive.
People who are concerned with how they are view right now, in the zeitgeist, will go down in history as weak and evil losers. Cases in point: the Reds vs the Whites in Russia, Nazis (I don't subscribe to nazism, but we could learn a lot from it if we didn't dismiss it on the emotional level), Jacobins, and the whole French revolution nonsense, to name a few. Losers never have good optics through the prism of history without nuanced knowledge.
It's a shame thus far Trump hasn't exhibited this understanding, perhaps he isn't the right man for the job after all (I had very high hopes, not that my totally irrelevant opinion matters).
I can't imagine anyone is watching this fiasco aside from hardcore Trump lovers and hardcore Trump haters. We already know how the latter will ignore and obfuscate this information as they have been doing all along. We also know how little time Joe Normie will spend going out of their way to look this readily available information up.
President Trump won but they stole it fair and square.
How about 2 America's? They keep the stolen one and we start an America that follows the Constitution. Or just accept the stolen representation and ensuing taxes to support their fraudulent rule?
At this rate, I hope there are 10 more investigations into Trump so that he can have all their TV time showing PROOF of what he actually said, rather than the disgusting lies told be leftists from their echo-chamber fake news overlords.
This could potentially change the minds of so many voters that the Dems will be forced to make a trivially easy adjustment to the code in their vote counting software before the next election.
It doesn't matter. People will believe what they want to believe. The Dems and their propaganda machine have truly taken to heart the message that "perception is reality." We're going to see how far they can successfully push it before it runs into actual reality.
The Charlottseville lie is so much more than Trump failing to condemn 'white supremacists'. In actual fact all of the violence that day was caused by leftists. The police forced the small crowd of conservatives past a gauntlet of leftist agitators with obvious results. Then one guy attempting to flee gets trapped by a wild and angry crowd and an obese woman has a heart attack. The car driver is railroaded into a murder sentence and rots in jail today.
TLDR; Charlottesville was no different than Kenosha - lefties commit the crimes but they make a conservative pay for it.
Does anyone actually think any level of proof will sway the leftist scum in the slightest? Trump could say "it's raining" and the retarded left could be standing in it, soaking wet, and tell him he's lying.
We need to be able to sue for this sort of thing.
You can. It's just that the first amendment is very biased toward freedom of speech. Rightfully so. It also requires very deep pockets. Media outlets can exhaust your life savings with motions and delay tactics without breaking a sweat. It's totally rigged in that sense.
I'm just finishing the book Conspiracy by Ryan Holiday about Peter Thiel & Hulk Hogan vs. Gawker media. They won, but it took a lot of money and conspiring.
IMO this is the one place our forefathers dropped the ball. The onus should always be on the publisher to prove they didn’t act maliciously, rather than the person who was harmed having to prove they did.
Mostly because trying to prove intent is extremely difficult, almost like proving a negative, and without a confession or secret recording it’s almost impossible to prove they acted maliciously just to harm you. “It’s just an opinion, man” is the common defense.
The Hulk Hogan case was easy, they had a court order and Gawker still refused to remove the video. That’s obvious malicious conduct to cause harm. That shouldn’t be the bar that has to be reached for redress, especially if you’re fighting against false allegations, because you’re forced to revictimize yourself in the court of public opinion to seek justice.
Yeah, it's already hard enough to prove that someone was negligent in publishing a falsehood, because when there's a lot of facts and hearsay out there it can be easy to overlook critical information. Proving malice is nearly impossible.
"People reached out to you and you ignored them / refused to publish a retraction" should be enough evidence if it can be shown that 1) the correct information could have been confirmed and 2) a reasonable amount of time passed since the demand for retraction and filing the lawsuit.
Several years ago, I had a blog post accuse me of being behind an Internet personality. While the personality was not criminal in actions, the blog did bring unwarranted and uncomfortable attention toward me.
I was not the person they posted. I spoke with my attorneys and they advised me to contact the author and explain they needed to publicly retract the statement as a first and cheaper tactic. The author caved. They were just guessing and had no proof. I guess I had written some things in a public sphere that reminded them of that person and attributed it to me.
Amen
Exactly.
Yep; and it is worth repeating often. A lot of people think lack of a lawsuit means guilt... when that is completely wrong in the US.
Thank you for the recommendation. I will check that out.
It's a great quick read. I literally just finished it a few moments ago and I'm heading to the library now to return it.
There's some mild TDS in there because of Thiel's endorsement of Trump at the RNC, but it's always fun to relive the 2016 election regardless of who is telling the story.
Also, I've said it before and I'm going to keep saying it, this site needs a book club badly. There is so much great material out there. We don't have to keep sharing the same Breitbart and Gateway Pundit links. Books go deep and can be very inspiring towards our cause.
Some of the early conservative talk radio shows were book author interview shows. Was a good thing that got us listeners to read a lot. Everyday conservatives knew more Soviet history than most state department staff and more about Marxism than most self proclaimed communists.
I would be all in for a book club
Thanks. I know a lot of people would get involved in it. The trouble is it really needs to be integrated into the site so it doesn't just get lost in all the other threads. One stickie for the book of the month or maybe its own pane in the sidebar. I'd be happy to help run it if anybody has a moderators ear.
It’s only difficult Obummer signed an EO, or this was passed as part of a Defense Authorization Act, reclassified most media as entertainment and un-outlawed propaganda in the US. Fix that shit and these traitors would be crushed in any non-treasonous court. (Obviously that last is a problem too but, yah know, one problem at a time).
If that's all it is, why didn't Trump tear up that Executive Order. It's more than that.
Probably half is EO, other half is part of a DAC. Can’t rip up the DAC part, and other problem is DACA got blocked by courts early on.
Sometimes you just sue.... Get the publicity to further expose the lie but only go so far and then let it die on its own
Good. You think this will red pill anyone who isn’t already?
Nah
The time for red-pilling has passed a while back.
time for lead pill now
Maybe. I believe there'll be a different struggle that we should be preparing for, but who knows, we will see soon enough.
I've read countless stories of people who found out the truth about this false reporting, then started questioning more of Trump's coverage. Same with the koi feeding incident in Japan, and the "drink bleach" idiocy.
Many things redpill people, or at the very least cause them to say "wait a minute, I've been told this for years and now they admit it's not true". What they do after that is up to them.
Yes. This is Trump clearing his name from the lies his enemies among politicians and the MSM spread. When this lie of who Trump was comes crashing down what reason is their to hate him among so many. The better he looks, the better we all look and the crazier the media looks for promoting violence towards us. Trump's a very reasonable guy as we all know.
why are you still trying to be liked? We need to win; when we push forward more and advance our own narratives, then we get more followers. Optics is not so important at the moment.
It is about winning. Are you really that slow? The MSM has overextended themselves with massive lies and made Trump into someone he isn't to many folks and when that illusion is shattered to more and more the MSM will forever lose it's power as noone will believe in it. No more coronavirus hysteria or so many other hysterias and no reason for many people to dislike Trump.
Optics won't matter in the end if Trump or our movement doesn't succeed.The Dems don't care about Hypocrisy; they care about Winning and they win by Pushing their agenda forward.I want Trump,s team to be on the offense not defense.
Are we sure that they didn't cut away to a talking panel while it was playing?
>plainly condemned bigotry.
Why is this some sort of qualified requirement for anything? It's not illegal to be a bigot, is it?
That's not the point. The point is that for YEARS, the media claimed he was promoting "bigotry," when in fact he condemned it. And they were just forced to air the proof that they lied.
It is indeed the point. And instead of condemning it, he should have attacked them back along that specific front but instead, they were allowed to control the narrative all during the last 4 years, keeping "the right" constantly on the defense. That's not how you win.
That is the spirit. Too many people here are concerned with being liked; I am concerned with Us winning. We need to be on the offensive instead of the defensive.
BUT MUH OPTICS
People who are concerned with how they are view right now, in the zeitgeist, will go down in history as weak and evil losers. Cases in point: the Reds vs the Whites in Russia, Nazis (I don't subscribe to nazism, but we could learn a lot from it if we didn't dismiss it on the emotional level), Jacobins, and the whole French revolution nonsense, to name a few. Losers never have good optics through the prism of history without nuanced knowledge.
It's a shame thus far Trump hasn't exhibited this understanding, perhaps he isn't the right man for the job after all (I had very high hopes, not that my totally irrelevant opinion matters).
This is one of among many lies that help the thieves steel democracy!
Why didn't they do this in the first sham peach mint?
No one will care. No one has cared, no one was forced to care, no one was punished for not caring, and so they will not care.
I can't imagine anyone is watching this fiasco aside from hardcore Trump lovers and hardcore Trump haters. We already know how the latter will ignore and obfuscate this information as they have been doing all along. We also know how little time Joe Normie will spend going out of their way to look this readily available information up.
Too little too late.
President Trump won but they stole it fair and square.
How about 2 America's? They keep the stolen one and we start an America that follows the Constitution. Or just accept the stolen representation and ensuing taxes to support their fraudulent rule?
Except we’re the only ones watching
The only huge development I want is the announcement Trump won. By a lot.
Why didn't Trump sue for defamation?
At this rate, I hope there are 10 more investigations into Trump so that he can have all their TV time showing PROOF of what he actually said, rather than the disgusting lies told be leftists from their echo-chamber fake news overlords.
What a crying shame that it took a defense lawyer at an impeachment “trial” to get the truth out there!
This could potentially change the minds of so many voters that the Dems will be forced to make a trivially easy adjustment to the code in their vote counting software before the next election.
It doesn't matter. People will believe what they want to believe. The Dems and their propaganda machine have truly taken to heart the message that "perception is reality." We're going to see how far they can successfully push it before it runs into actual reality.
The Charlottseville lie is so much more than Trump failing to condemn 'white supremacists'. In actual fact all of the violence that day was caused by leftists. The police forced the small crowd of conservatives past a gauntlet of leftist agitators with obvious results. Then one guy attempting to flee gets trapped by a wild and angry crowd and an obese woman has a heart attack. The car driver is railroaded into a murder sentence and rots in jail today. TLDR; Charlottesville was no different than Kenosha - lefties commit the crimes but they make a conservative pay for it.
Whe you dig a hole bellow somebody... usually you fall in it yourself.....
Great! Now do "mocking a disabled reporter"!
Ya. Yuge win. Wow. So much winnings. Guess we can pack up our bags and go home now.
Does anyone actually think any level of proof will sway the leftist scum in the slightest? Trump could say "it's raining" and the retarded left could be standing in it, soaking wet, and tell him he's lying.