ICU nurse here. I don't have an answer and won't try to pretend to know the truth any which way about whether it's flu or not etc, I don't care about any of that.
What most of us in healthcare, have experienced and seen and is why we're concerned, is that patients who are critically ill with this thing are unlike anything we've previously dealt with before and treatments are hit or miss.
Hospital I work at has like 18 different clinical trials happening including ivermectin and it literally seems like it comes down to a coin toss on whether any of them will work.
Even in patients with comorbidities, the traditional flu is a respiratory thing and presents as a respiratory thing. Very, very rarely did we ever have flu patients coming in with the massively vast range of issues that the patients are experiencing with this thing now.
Weird types of heart failure, kidney failure, clotting issues in people who should not have clotting issues as well as clotting even when on hard core anticoagulation, neurologic problems, the list goes on.
Basically my point is, even if this does end up being confirmed as a weird flu strain, it doesn't change the fact that this is still stupid difficult to treat.
Of course. That still doesn't change the fact that this is still something that is difficult to treat.
I guess what I'm basically trying to get at here is even if tomorrow, every world leader came out and said this is an engineered influenza virus created by China, it doesn't change the fact that even our best treatment options are hit or miss. What difference does it make whether it's labeled an influenza strain, or it's man made, or whatever else. It doesn't change the medical problems that come with this.
Some patients get remdezivir, or ivermectin, or whatever and some steroids and are on their way in 5 days despite having diabetes, heart failure, and are overweight. Others get remdezivir, or ivermectin, or whatever and literally nothing happens and they end up in the ICU for 46 days.
The people who have these stays are the ones having crazy other issues like heart and kidney failure, blood clots, etc. They're generally stable from a respiratory standpoint for weeks before the rest of the problems clear up.
But if you say this to anyone in a hospital, the response is: "Oh, yeah? We have so isolated the virus! It's how we do PCR tests on it."
Which is circular reasoning, and fails to actually address the contention.
ICU nurse here. I don't have an answer and won't try to pretend to know the truth any which way about whether it's flu or not etc, I don't care about any of that. What most of us in healthcare, have experienced and seen and is why we're concerned, is that patients who are critically ill with this thing are unlike anything we've previously dealt with before and treatments are hit or miss. Hospital I work at has like 18 different clinical trials happening including ivermectin and it literally seems like it comes down to a coin toss on whether any of them will work. Even in patients with comorbidities, the traditional flu is a respiratory thing and presents as a respiratory thing. Very, very rarely did we ever have flu patients coming in with the massively vast range of issues that the patients are experiencing with this thing now. Weird types of heart failure, kidney failure, clotting issues in people who should not have clotting issues as well as clotting even when on hard core anticoagulation, neurologic problems, the list goes on. Basically my point is, even if this does end up being confirmed as a weird flu strain, it doesn't change the fact that this is still stupid difficult to treat.
Wouldn't an engineered strain of flu be extremely difficult to treat?
Of course. That still doesn't change the fact that this is still something that is difficult to treat.
I guess what I'm basically trying to get at here is even if tomorrow, every world leader came out and said this is an engineered influenza virus created by China, it doesn't change the fact that even our best treatment options are hit or miss. What difference does it make whether it's labeled an influenza strain, or it's man made, or whatever else. It doesn't change the medical problems that come with this.
Some patients get remdezivir, or ivermectin, or whatever and some steroids and are on their way in 5 days despite having diabetes, heart failure, and are overweight. Others get remdezivir, or ivermectin, or whatever and literally nothing happens and they end up in the ICU for 46 days.
The people who have these stays are the ones having crazy other issues like heart and kidney failure, blood clots, etc. They're generally stable from a respiratory standpoint for weeks before the rest of the problems clear up.