Utah is a great state and the Mormons I've met have been some tremendous folks. I think there's massive corruption at the top, but I'm a Catholic so I understand how things can go like that as the current and some previous papacies have been terribly so. Every state has bad RINOs. PA has Toomey, AL had Sessions, NE has Sasse, NC has Burr, TX Has Cornyn, LA has Cassidy, GA has Kemp and I can go on and on. I wish Romney was unique and the only snake in the party.
Well, President Trump endorsed Mittens for Senate. So the OP has an issue with President Trump, not Utah. She just doesn't have all her facts straight.
The vast majority of us Latter Day Saints (Mormons) here in Utah are based conservatives. Mitt Romney is hated by all of us and I don’t know how he got voted in last time, but he’s already stated twice that he knows he won’t be re-elected.
You are just as bad as BLM saying all cops are bad because of a few bad ones. We don’t consider Mitt a Mormon and assume he is hiding corruption and doesn’t want it exposed which is why he voted to impeach trump.
I’d compare Utah’s conservatism to that of Texas. We care about God, family, and guns and want the government to leave us alone. With that said, calling any religion stupid is cowardly and ignorant. Have you ever tried to convince someone of something you know or believe regardless of the topic and how frustrating it is when they laugh at you for it and don’t believe you? Now imagine random people online call you stupid or question your sanity and telling you specifically the things that they think prove you are stupid and that your time is up.
You sound like leftists who want people to care about their opinions instead of a true republican who shouldn’t care what people think or do as long as it’s legal.
OP is probably a troll running around here finding side topics to rile people up. Props to him...did well on this one. Some trolls are more effective than others.
Thank you Adolph. This is why Democrats win! They are infinitely more diverse yet still WEILD their power at 100%. Meanwhile GOP is infinitely more homogeneous yet YEILD their power over fractional differences within the party. Stupid? Of course it is, but you all keep down/up voting the micro differences while Conservatism and Christianity continues to suck air among the next generation.
Mormonism teaches that God the Father is an exalted Man, that Jesus, angels, and human beings were all the literal spirit offspring of our “heavenly Father and Mother,” and that the ultimate goal of the Christian life is to become exalted to Godhood ourselves.
Identity politics in the GOP is a thing now too? Christianity getting decimated in the US and you think internal discourse among Christians is the solution? Smart thinking.
They don't believe in the Apostles/Nicene Creed. Their faith is a moderated Islam adapted for North America. Islam isn't considered Christianity or Judaism even though it pulls from some of the same texts and beliefs.
I rest my case. Rome is burning and you’re still arguing a micro issue. DEMS have been MACRO value voters (don’t care about religion only the results) for last 20+ years ie; Clinton, Obama and Biden. Horrible people but got far left agenda mainstreamed while GOP voters we’re MICRO concerned about how Christian nice and polite their candidate were. So we elected/voted for Bush, Chaney, McCain and Ryan - all nice people but disasters on a macro policy level ie; endless wars, staggering debt and not checking the radical left. But hay they were true Christians. In my opinion this is why the left hates Trump so much. He engaged them publicly for 5 years on a macro level and beat the shit out of them at their own game. I’m not interested in micro pettiness anymore. I want results!
Nice one troll. We have communism knocking on the door and your answer is to go after the Mormons? You must've been one of those Alabama Southern Baptists who voted outright for Democrat Doug Jones...directly against President Trump's endorsement.
ColoradoUSA, your state is blue! Take care of you’re own problems before throwing rocks at an extremely reliable red state. BTW, it’s 190 years but whose counting besides you?
I feel your pain, but blaming Mormons for Mitt is like blaming Catholics for Joe or Nancy, or Evangelicals for Mike Pence. They're all wolves in sheep's clothing (insert scripture here).
Let me pose this question for you. Should Islam continue to be protected under the first amendment? Given the anti-American sentiments expressed by many Muslims in the US and abroad, an argument exists that Islam should no longer be protected under the first amendment
Should Islam continue to be protected under the first amendment?
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Understand this: The Constitution doesn't exist to protect the rights of people that you like, it exists to protect the rights of the people you disagree with. And that includes Mormons, Muslims, pagans, voodoo witch doctors, the whole gamut. If that rustles your jimmies you're in the wrong country.
Given the anti-American sentiments expressed by many Muslims in the US and abroad,
Many =/= All. You ever hear of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
That's a nice philosophy if your goal in life is to gracefully lose everything you have. The fact is the Founders never imagined in their wildest dreams the US would be flooded with people as hostile to our way of life as muslims. Letting openly hostile actors like communists and muslims spread propaganda and hold office will result in our destruction.
James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were Deists. They were aware of Muslims at the time of constructing our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I would argue that nothing in our Constitution allows for the radical forms of Islam or any Ideology. The issue is with the corruption protecting bad actors from multiple self-interest groups pushing an agenda. We used to be pretty anti-Catholic as country and would not elect Catholic as President until JFK. I refuse to hate any group based on radicals within their religion, we don't treat Catholics like terrorist because of the IRA.
Yes, Adams, Jefferson, and Madison were aware of muslims. They explicitly condemned the religion of pisslam as being anti-science and anti-freedom. They also each spent considerable blood and treasure defending American merchant shipping against muslim pirates. Our Marine Corps was founded to fight muslims.
The Declaration of Independence also describes indians as "the merciless Indian Savages whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions." Do you think the Founders wanted them to hold office in America as well?
Stop being a cuck. It's not a sin to protect your own culture and traditions from people who hate you. It's a moral duty to fight them.
You leftists and calling everyone fascists is getting so old, you are so clueless that you call someone a fascist for exercising their free speech.
OP has every fucking right to criticize a grifting cult built on lies. OP never even mentioned anything about the first amendment, you did and ironically you used it to try and silence him. You dirty little cunt.
Moromism is fake as fuck, it's nothing but a grift and UFO cults have more creditability than the bullshit Joseph Smith dreamed up, take your magic underwear cult and fuck off.
The "everyone I disagree with is a Nazi / fascist / bigot" tactics is beyond tiresome. Accept some people see through bullshit and I didn't even need fantasy seer stones to do so, it's self evidently fake.
I used a singular name to describe another person who also had a fetish with Judaism. You’re just the GOP version of a liberal word police. Tired of that too btw. And speaking of self-evidently fake, what are your thoughts on people who walk on water, control the weather, create something from nothing, make the dead walk, resurrect themselves, and unaided teleportation?
That's rich. You might want to check my posting history.
you call someone a fascist for exercising their free speech.
No, I'm calling them a fascist for judging an entire religion based on the actions of one of it's members.
OP never even mentioned anything about the first amendment, you did
OP's headline strongly implies that the federal government should outlaw a religion. Which, as it turns out, is very, very much a First Amendment issue.
and ironically you used it to try and silence him.
Disagreeing is not trying to silence.
Moromism is fake as fuck, it's nothing but a grift and UFO cults have more creditability than the bullshit Joseph Smith dreamed up, take your magic underwear cult and fuck off.
I don't disagree with any of that; in fact I think the fact that a religion was based on the teachings of an "angel" named "Moroni" is highly lulzy. However, I respect the rights of Americans to worship whatever whacko nutjub bizzaro cult they care to, as long as such worship doesn't interfere with the rights of others.
Christians that "speak in tongues" and handle snakes crack me up, too, for largely the same reasons.
Personally I'm SubGenius (by way of being a lapsed Discordian), but I'm seriously considering converting to Satanism, for the sole intent and purpose of annoying people like you.
Personally I'm SubGenius (by way of being a lapsed Discordian), but I'm seriously considering converting to Satanism, for the sole intent and purpose of annoying people like you.
Most Mormons hate Mitt. Fact.
Then it is TIME to vote accordingly!
Utah is a great state and the Mormons I've met have been some tremendous folks. I think there's massive corruption at the top, but I'm a Catholic so I understand how things can go like that as the current and some previous papacies have been terribly so. Every state has bad RINOs. PA has Toomey, AL had Sessions, NE has Sasse, NC has Burr, TX Has Cornyn, LA has Cassidy, GA has Kemp and I can go on and on. I wish Romney was unique and the only snake in the party.
Well, President Trump endorsed Mittens for Senate. So the OP has an issue with President Trump, not Utah. She just doesn't have all her facts straight.
Yeah? Then PROVE IT.
If you tried to do something in Utah you'd quickly realize how based and well armed they are. They learn to shoot before they learn to ride a bike.
I'm cool with mormons. This dipshit on the other hand...
The vast majority of us Latter Day Saints (Mormons) here in Utah are based conservatives. Mitt Romney is hated by all of us and I don’t know how he got voted in last time, but he’s already stated twice that he knows he won’t be re-elected.
You are just as bad as BLM saying all cops are bad because of a few bad ones. We don’t consider Mitt a Mormon and assume he is hiding corruption and doesn’t want it exposed which is why he voted to impeach trump.
I’d compare Utah’s conservatism to that of Texas. We care about God, family, and guns and want the government to leave us alone. With that said, calling any religion stupid is cowardly and ignorant. Have you ever tried to convince someone of something you know or believe regardless of the topic and how frustrating it is when they laugh at you for it and don’t believe you? Now imagine random people online call you stupid or question your sanity and telling you specifically the things that they think prove you are stupid and that your time is up.
You sound like leftists who want people to care about their opinions instead of a true republican who shouldn’t care what people think or do as long as it’s legal.
OP is probably a troll running around here finding side topics to rile people up. Props to him...did well on this one. Some trolls are more effective than others.
Jews always get this rap for ruling the world in secret, but Mormons hold five times as many seats of power in our nation.
Thank you Adolph. This is why Democrats win! They are infinitely more diverse yet still WEILD their power at 100%. Meanwhile GOP is infinitely more homogeneous yet YEILD their power over fractional differences within the party. Stupid? Of course it is, but you all keep down/up voting the micro differences while Conservatism and Christianity continues to suck air among the next generation.
Or...Utah could run their RINO leadership out of the state on a rail and come back and join the MAGA community. The choice is theirs...
Unless you live in a Deep South state I’m pretty you have more work to do in your state than Utahns have to do in theirs. Have a great Sabbath.
I honestly don’t know if the LDS movement should be considered Christian.
I'm quite sure it shouldn't, but I like them anyway. Not Mitt, though, he sucks ass.
They most definitely are not.
Identity politics in the GOP is a thing now too? Christianity getting decimated in the US and you think internal discourse among Christians is the solution? Smart thinking.
They don't believe in the Apostles/Nicene Creed. Their faith is a moderated Islam adapted for North America. Islam isn't considered Christianity or Judaism even though it pulls from some of the same texts and beliefs.
I rest my case. Rome is burning and you’re still arguing a micro issue. DEMS have been MACRO value voters (don’t care about religion only the results) for last 20+ years ie; Clinton, Obama and Biden. Horrible people but got far left agenda mainstreamed while GOP voters we’re MICRO concerned about how Christian nice and polite their candidate were. So we elected/voted for Bush, Chaney, McCain and Ryan - all nice people but disasters on a macro policy level ie; endless wars, staggering debt and not checking the radical left. But hay they were true Christians. In my opinion this is why the left hates Trump so much. He engaged them publicly for 5 years on a macro level and beat the shit out of them at their own game. I’m not interested in micro pettiness anymore. I want results!
I'm not saying they're necessarily bad people, or that they can't be allies. I'm saying they aren't Christians.
Here let me help you.
BAD = Someone who believes strongly they're Christian being called a non-Christian by someone else who thinks they’re being Christian.
Nice one troll. We have communism knocking on the door and your answer is to go after the Mormons? You must've been one of those Alabama Southern Baptists who voted outright for Democrat Doug Jones...directly against President Trump's endorsement.
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Cool story. Mormons still aren't Christians, though.
They believe in the perfect son of God, our resurrected savior Jesus Christ.
That makes them Christian whether you like them or not.
They believe in the divinity of man. They put men on the same plane as Almighty God. That makes them the exact opposite of Christians. Sorry.
Assuming you're talking Mormons, they're still the majority in the state.
ColoradoUSA, your state is blue! Take care of you’re own problems before throwing rocks at an extremely reliable red state. BTW, it’s 190 years but whose counting besides you?
Boom roasted! Some f****Colorado-tard who just completed the turnover of their state to the communists wants to call out Utah? I've seen it all.
Alabama gave us Doug Jones. Utah was duped by Romney. Romney also got President Trump's endorsement.
There was a time when it was legal to kill Mormons from what I understand. Usa hasn’t always been nice to Mormons.
I feel your pain, but blaming Mormons for Mitt is like blaming Catholics for Joe or Nancy, or Evangelicals for Mike Pence. They're all wolves in sheep's clothing (insert scripture here).
Ok. So are you going to go after all the other "Christian" politicians who are scumbags and cancel their fellow worshippers?
No?
Fuck off. Mormons are the most based religion in America. They got duped by Mitt, so did everyone else in 2012.
Yeah? Then PROVE IT.
Fuckin mormons are IDIOTS!
So I guess there are only parts of the First Amendment you're cool with, then?
Fuck off, fascist.
Let me pose this question for you. Should Islam continue to be protected under the first amendment? Given the anti-American sentiments expressed by many Muslims in the US and abroad, an argument exists that Islam should no longer be protected under the first amendment
Abso-fucking-lutely.
Understand this: The Constitution doesn't exist to protect the rights of people that you like, it exists to protect the rights of the people you disagree with. And that includes Mormons, Muslims, pagans, voodoo witch doctors, the whole gamut. If that rustles your jimmies you're in the wrong country.
Many =/= All. You ever hear of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
That's a nice philosophy if your goal in life is to gracefully lose everything you have. The fact is the Founders never imagined in their wildest dreams the US would be flooded with people as hostile to our way of life as muslims. Letting openly hostile actors like communists and muslims spread propaganda and hold office will result in our destruction.
James Madison and Thomas Jefferson were Deists. They were aware of Muslims at the time of constructing our Constitution and Bill of Rights. I would argue that nothing in our Constitution allows for the radical forms of Islam or any Ideology. The issue is with the corruption protecting bad actors from multiple self-interest groups pushing an agenda. We used to be pretty anti-Catholic as country and would not elect Catholic as President until JFK. I refuse to hate any group based on radicals within their religion, we don't treat Catholics like terrorist because of the IRA.
Yes, Adams, Jefferson, and Madison were aware of muslims. They explicitly condemned the religion of pisslam as being anti-science and anti-freedom. They also each spent considerable blood and treasure defending American merchant shipping against muslim pirates. Our Marine Corps was founded to fight muslims.
The Declaration of Independence also describes indians as "the merciless Indian Savages whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions." Do you think the Founders wanted them to hold office in America as well?
Stop being a cuck. It's not a sin to protect your own culture and traditions from people who hate you. It's a moral duty to fight them.
Some people never see the slippery slope until they've already let the Jacobins control our system.
You leftists and calling everyone fascists is getting so old, you are so clueless that you call someone a fascist for exercising their free speech.
OP has every fucking right to criticize a grifting cult built on lies. OP never even mentioned anything about the first amendment, you did and ironically you used it to try and silence him. You dirty little cunt.
Moromism is fake as fuck, it's nothing but a grift and UFO cults have more creditability than the bullshit Joseph Smith dreamed up, take your magic underwear cult and fuck off.
bigot is probably more accurate in your case
LOL, truthful is the word you wanted.
The "everyone I disagree with is a Nazi / fascist / bigot" tactics is beyond tiresome. Accept some people see through bullshit and I didn't even need fantasy seer stones to do so, it's self evidently fake.
I used a singular name to describe another person who also had a fetish with Judaism. You’re just the GOP version of a liberal word police. Tired of that too btw. And speaking of self-evidently fake, what are your thoughts on people who walk on water, control the weather, create something from nothing, make the dead walk, resurrect themselves, and unaided teleportation?
That's rich. You might want to check my posting history.
No, I'm calling them a fascist for judging an entire religion based on the actions of one of it's members.
OP's headline strongly implies that the federal government should outlaw a religion. Which, as it turns out, is very, very much a First Amendment issue.
Disagreeing is not trying to silence.
I don't disagree with any of that; in fact I think the fact that a religion was based on the teachings of an "angel" named "Moroni" is highly lulzy. However, I respect the rights of Americans to worship whatever whacko nutjub bizzaro cult they care to, as long as such worship doesn't interfere with the rights of others.
Christians that "speak in tongues" and handle snakes crack me up, too, for largely the same reasons.
Personally I'm SubGenius (by way of being a lapsed Discordian), but I'm seriously considering converting to Satanism, for the sole intent and purpose of annoying people like you.
Have a nice day!
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