No, they are federally funded but independent. It's a rather odd setup. They can have profits and did for a very very long time until they couldn't compete with the other services.
By design. Fedex and UPS were surging as the USPS was letting them have so much of the package delivery and selling their services to both (and Amazon) for a fraction of what they were worth.
Every Year, the shipping companies announce rate changes. Fedex and UPS typically have a 5% increase. Well a year or 2 ago, USPS announced instead of a rate increase, they were going to cut rates on some parcel services making them competitive with Fedex and UPS.
Well Fedex and UPS blew a gasket, and went bitching and moaning to Politicians about it. So in response, under political pressure, the USPS raised their parcel rates.
So instead of USPS shipping a higher volume of products direct, profitably, their trucks are now full of money losing "last mile" parcels that they deliver for UPS, Fedex, and Amazon
I do believe a postal service is a fundamental aspect of a functional modern government so I have no problem with a publicly funded one, particularly to handle official letters and to reach areas that are not serviced by private carriers.
That being said, the USPS has been such a shitshow for years and it rewards incompetence. My family orders a ton of stuff and by far the most issues we've had have been with USPS whether they be delays or poorly handled letters and packages.
I actually think it is an example of the government doing something right. If you need to run a domestic delivery operation as a service to citizens, find a way to do it profitably.
As long as the government is not subsidizing their international operations, and they are competing on the open market, why should anyone care.
It's a little different. It'd be like if USPS were privatized and then created another subsidiary that operates in other countries.
I get your meaning though; if you can ensure nationwide coverage and cheap mail delivery then there's nothing wrong with a private, utility-like courier service, though UPS and FEDEX (and DHL, for that matter) might have something to say about it.
The Post Office is one of the few federal agencies explicitly created by the Constitution. Congress changed it to an quasi-private independent agency with the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970.
Their are a bunch of fucked up laws that protect certain industries. Fedex is considered an airlines (it started as Peoples Express airlines) and receives massive tax breaks and incentives over UPS that is considered a freight company.
You local cable company that provides phone service, is considered an entertainment company, and is not subject to all the telecom taxes that traditional phone carriers are subject to (and that is true even if they both provide the same VOIP service).
There is a whole lot of bullshit in federal law, these are just a few examples I am aware of.
Profits vaporized the 2nd year into paying 5 billion to pre-fund entitlements.If not for a law saying the USPS had to pre-fund those funds, there would hardly be a red year on record.
Non-profit just means the profits go to huge salaries of leadership- it’s just accounting it has nothing to do with creating a service that brings in revenue. That’s why the Clinton foundation, a nonprofit, has made Killary and Rapin’ Bill Billionaires.
Are we sure this wasn't a pay off for their help with the election steal? Or hell, they've been shipping so much crap because of the pandemic bullshit what shipper isn't make a buckaroos right now?
DeJoy, Trumps appointment, made the right moves to put them in profit. He gave a different OT deal this year during the holidays, and used temp workers instead of usps hires. This is why the union is pissed at him and went to a work slowdown or working strike over the holidays and slowed every delivery down.
This is in addition to the legacy mail he downsized, the envelope stuff because no one sends letters anymore with email of course and letter service has been drastically declining for years.
I heard trailers were leaving warehouses empty during december. no effort to get anything done. The union just let packages stack up at their regional warehouses as part of their work slowdown.
One of my coworkers is a part-timer at USPS and I can tell you that was definitely not happening here. Small rural area, and they had so many packages this year they were slow as fuck because they were physically unable to sort the packages, as the room they store them in was full wall to wall and more came in every day.
I placed an order for something I could only get from Europe. It was scanned in to USPS at a facility in Frankfurt Germany at the beginning of December. It was delivered at the end of January. USPS is terrible.
Can confirm. I had packages sitting in the midwest for upwards of a week like 4 or 5 times. The day after submitting a missing mail complaint, it magically started moving and I got it within a day or two.
Yeah, I had packaged that arrived in town and then just sat there for another week before they went out for delivery. They were just not processing packages.
This is in addition to the legacy mail he downsized, the envelope stuff because no one sends letters anymore with email of course and letter service has been drastically declining for years.
Still got to do some things by mail
relief checks and tax refunds for those without direct deposit.
tax forms (for those without printing services)
proxy voting for stockholders.
official tax, privacy, and insurance notices (electronic correspondence is disallowed or serves as a back up only).
utility bills for those who don't pay online
Snail mail isn't dead - because just like voting in person, the physicality of something being delivered or handled will remain..... until Star Trek transporter and replication technology is available.
1st class mail might be down by half, but parcel volume is vastly up. When I started you'd have a dozen packages for a whole route, and a few had delivery scans. Now I need 3-4 signatures a day and nearly all of my 100+ packages a day require some sort of scan.
the union has been shitty about DeJoy since he was appointed because he came from private industry and isn't a union shill, they were working to undermine the election, and now are trying to get Biden to replace DeJoy.
Makes you wonder how many of the Congressional blood-suckers President Trump knocked off that poor beast.
I don't suppose skimming the USPS was as lucrative as, say their Foreign Aid kickback-routine or their "HOLY GRAIL" of GRAFT - WAR, so it must have been the lesser Congress critters or the newbes who got to hijack the USPS earnings.
No wonder they are all so pissed at President Trump - there is nothing like the loss of unearned, under the table profits to piss any one off.
The USPS is great and should be preserved but modernized. Obviously, Trumps administrator did a few things: Mainly eliminating overtime and get rid of unused machinery. You have to be from a different country to see that tgeir service js still much better than most people think.
People who ask for privatization will first see better service through efficency gains. Then, 2 or 3 years later, unprofitable services will be cut. 3-6 years later, they will close all smaller non-sustainable post offices (exclusively in rural areas). Then they do embedded postal stores in small businesses. They will make it unprofitable for these small businesses, so in rural areas either volunteers or city hall people operate as the postal agents.
That what happened to the functional German Postal Service after 1998.
Great summary of what needs to needs to happen at usps.
There are crazy leftist that want usps to go into banking services like it was 100 years ago, or even make post offices function like public libraries which are so far from the core mission of usps usps would fail over night.
I was wondering whether it was due to the changes he made or whether it was due to the employees rebelling against the changes. If they keep it up they won't have jobs because it really isn't a viable service without some amount of reliability and timeliness.
Doesn't seem to matter. They are proposing raising the rates of 1st class mail AND limiting it to ground transport only. So you pay more and get it slower. As a frequent 1st class shipper for my biz, this pisses me off.
I know! I sent a package only 150 miles and 5 days later - still in transit. Yet another package to Hawaii is almost there in 3 days. Took a month for one package. It sat at a Virginia sorting facility for 4 weeks.
Yes, I'll thank Trump because he'd get the blame if it went even more in debt, but wouldn't the increased shipping from online purchases during the pandemic be a big part of it? Or would they have lost money on each delivery and gone more in debt?
I guess what I'm asking is, how did this happen?
Obama claimed President Trump was "kneecapping" the USPS and protesters swarmed the Trump administration's Postmaster General's house. Wouldn't that be...incitement???
Trump's appointment DeJoy put them in position to focus on package service and shed a lot of legacy envelope infrastructure putting them in the right place.
And they still manage to lose, mangle, or severely delay 1 in about 20 of every single package I ship, and I own 2 ebay stores and ship hundreds of packages a month.
If I screwed up any given task out of every 20 I was assigned for any job in the world I would lose that job. Probably. Unless I worked in government. I rest my case.
Yeah they have a profit this time, because of all the money that came in for all the cheating that they did for the election. How many pallets were delivered by the US Postal Service to help steal this election. I guess you get paid a lot of money for that these days
they thank Trump by delivering all the absentee ballots needed to vote him out. I can't think of a bigger traitor than the post office after this. I'm out to screw them
um, aren't they not supposed to ever have profits? Aren't they basically a non-profit of sorts?
No, they are federally funded but independent. It's a rather odd setup. They can have profits and did for a very very long time until they couldn't compete with the other services.
By design. Fedex and UPS were surging as the USPS was letting them have so much of the package delivery and selling their services to both (and Amazon) for a fraction of what they were worth.
Every Year, the shipping companies announce rate changes. Fedex and UPS typically have a 5% increase. Well a year or 2 ago, USPS announced instead of a rate increase, they were going to cut rates on some parcel services making them competitive with Fedex and UPS. Well Fedex and UPS blew a gasket, and went bitching and moaning to Politicians about it. So in response, under political pressure, the USPS raised their parcel rates. So instead of USPS shipping a higher volume of products direct, profitably, their trucks are now full of money losing "last mile" parcels that they deliver for UPS, Fedex, and Amazon
Note that 5% increase has been constant for 25 years.
Also weirdly protected by old-timey laws that shouldn't exist: the rail system
I do believe a postal service is a fundamental aspect of a functional modern government so I have no problem with a publicly funded one, particularly to handle official letters and to reach areas that are not serviced by private carriers.
That being said, the USPS has been such a shitshow for years and it rewards incompetence. My family orders a ton of stuff and by far the most issues we've had have been with USPS whether they be delays or poorly handled letters and packages.
DHL is Germany's version of the USPS, and they make a shit ton of money
I actually think it is an example of the government doing something right. If you need to run a domestic delivery operation as a service to citizens, find a way to do it profitably.
As long as the government is not subsidizing their international operations, and they are competing on the open market, why should anyone care.
It's a little different. It'd be like if USPS were privatized and then created another subsidiary that operates in other countries.
I get your meaning though; if you can ensure nationwide coverage and cheap mail delivery then there's nothing wrong with a private, utility-like courier service, though UPS and FEDEX (and DHL, for that matter) might have something to say about it.
The Post Office is one of the few federal agencies explicitly created by the Constitution. Congress changed it to an quasi-private independent agency with the Postal Reorganization Act of 1970.
Supposedly there's a loophole with the 1970 legislation that still allows you to send letters at the 2 cent rate https://www.kimberlyshawgraphics.com/blog/my-2-cents/
YES!!! My friend did this a couple years ago and it worked great.
Their are a bunch of fucked up laws that protect certain industries. Fedex is considered an airlines (it started as Peoples Express airlines) and receives massive tax breaks and incentives over UPS that is considered a freight company.
You local cable company that provides phone service, is considered an entertainment company, and is not subject to all the telecom taxes that traditional phone carriers are subject to (and that is true even if they both provide the same VOIP service).
There is a whole lot of bullshit in federal law, these are just a few examples I am aware of.
It's hard to know what to do with entities like this. I mean, who will invest in the infrastructure if they can't reap the profits?
Most of their income goes to fund their pension program
No, we're self-funded and independent.
Profits vaporized the 2nd year into paying 5 billion to pre-fund entitlements.If not for a law saying the USPS had to pre-fund those funds, there would hardly be a red year on record.
how do you help in the fraud by backdating mail and not turn a profit?
Non-profit just means the profits go to huge salaries of leadership- it’s just accounting it has nothing to do with creating a service that brings in revenue. That’s why the Clinton foundation, a nonprofit, has made Killary and Rapin’ Bill Billionaires.
Yeah, its why like every polition gets their Non-profit organization into place.
Pretty sure OP meant non-profit in the literal sense, not the existential one you're describing
Trump sold rice to China, made peace in the Middle East and Korea. He made money where for ages, it was claimed to be unprofitable?
You would need a magick wand!
:o
Are we sure this wasn't a pay off for their help with the election steal? Or hell, they've been shipping so much crap because of the pandemic bullshit what shipper isn't make a buckaroos right now?
DeJoy, Trumps appointment, made the right moves to put them in profit. He gave a different OT deal this year during the holidays, and used temp workers instead of usps hires. This is why the union is pissed at him and went to a work slowdown or working strike over the holidays and slowed every delivery down.
This is in addition to the legacy mail he downsized, the envelope stuff because no one sends letters anymore with email of course and letter service has been drastically declining for years.
I heard trailers were leaving warehouses empty during december. no effort to get anything done. The union just let packages stack up at their regional warehouses as part of their work slowdown.
Fuck unions everywhere.
They no longer serve a purpose other than to extort “dues” out of their “members”.
Yep. And police. Just because their unions happen to be on our side, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
It's a conflict of interest.
And especially police, albeit i have warmed up a little to a police union as a technical trade union.
One of my coworkers is a part-timer at USPS and I can tell you that was definitely not happening here. Small rural area, and they had so many packages this year they were slow as fuck because they were physically unable to sort the packages, as the room they store them in was full wall to wall and more came in every day.
I placed an order for something I could only get from Europe. It was scanned in to USPS at a facility in Frankfurt Germany at the beginning of December. It was delivered at the end of January. USPS is terrible.
Can confirm. I had packages sitting in the midwest for upwards of a week like 4 or 5 times. The day after submitting a missing mail complaint, it magically started moving and I got it within a day or two.
Curious, that.
Yeah, I had packaged that arrived in town and then just sat there for another week before they went out for delivery. They were just not processing packages.
I was unaware of all that info, thank you 👍
Still got to do some things by mail
relief checks and tax refunds for those without direct deposit.
tax forms (for those without printing services)
proxy voting for stockholders.
official tax, privacy, and insurance notices (electronic correspondence is disallowed or serves as a back up only).
utility bills for those who don't pay online
Snail mail isn't dead - because just like voting in person, the physicality of something being delivered or handled will remain..... until Star Trek transporter and replication technology is available.
Its not dead, but its 1/2 of its peak around 2000
https://about.usps.com/who-we-are/postal-history/first-class-mail-since-1926.htm
Even more and more services are going electronic with the acceptance of digital signatures.
1st class mail might be down by half, but parcel volume is vastly up. When I started you'd have a dozen packages for a whole route, and a few had delivery scans. Now I need 3-4 signatures a day and nearly all of my 100+ packages a day require some sort of scan.
DeJoy's home was protested after Obama criticized him
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8630863/Protesters-gather-outside-USPS-Postmaster-Generals-home-amid-voter-suppression-allegations.html
Biden will then take credit.
Until he fucks it up and it goes back to a 700 million loss again.
Thats if they're lucky. More like 1.4 billion loss
The USPS was a major cog in the election fraud machine.
You can make a lot of bang delivering ballots at the witching hour. Dhem 3rd shift rates be hella profitable, yo.
the union has been shitty about DeJoy since he was appointed because he came from private industry and isn't a union shill, they were working to undermine the election, and now are trying to get Biden to replace DeJoy.
And they repaid that kindness by facilitating voters fraud.
And they still helped cheat.
And USPS in retaliation fucked with mail in voting because Trump made them work harder. Government leeches!
Makes you wonder how many of the Congressional blood-suckers President Trump knocked off that poor beast.
I don't suppose skimming the USPS was as lucrative as, say their Foreign Aid kickback-routine or their "HOLY GRAIL" of GRAFT - WAR, so it must have been the lesser Congress critters or the newbes who got to hijack the USPS earnings.
No wonder they are all so pissed at President Trump - there is nothing like the loss of unearned, under the table profits to piss any one off.
No worries, Biden will return them to non-profitability.
The USPS is great and should be preserved but modernized. Obviously, Trumps administrator did a few things: Mainly eliminating overtime and get rid of unused machinery. You have to be from a different country to see that tgeir service js still much better than most people think. People who ask for privatization will first see better service through efficency gains. Then, 2 or 3 years later, unprofitable services will be cut. 3-6 years later, they will close all smaller non-sustainable post offices (exclusively in rural areas). Then they do embedded postal stores in small businesses. They will make it unprofitable for these small businesses, so in rural areas either volunteers or city hall people operate as the postal agents. That what happened to the functional German Postal Service after 1998.
Great summary of what needs to needs to happen at usps.
There are crazy leftist that want usps to go into banking services like it was 100 years ago, or even make post offices function like public libraries which are so far from the core mission of usps usps would fail over night.
Meanwhile, their ability to actually deliver the mail in a timely manner has gone completely into the toilet.
Intentional work slow down ordered by the union to try and undermine DeJoy
I was wondering whether it was due to the changes he made or whether it was due to the employees rebelling against the changes. If they keep it up they won't have jobs because it really isn't a viable service without some amount of reliability and timeliness.
Prior to the election I saw big signs outside of Post offices that said “heroes work here.”
The word hero has really been watered down.
Doesn't seem to matter. They are proposing raising the rates of 1st class mail AND limiting it to ground transport only. So you pay more and get it slower. As a frequent 1st class shipper for my biz, this pisses me off.
Shipping this year is already slower than a tar shit sliding down the bowl. What use to take 3 days is a week or more for me.
I know! I sent a package only 150 miles and 5 days later - still in transit. Yet another package to Hawaii is almost there in 3 days. Took a month for one package. It sat at a Virginia sorting facility for 4 weeks.
That’s nice but why is my REGISTERED MAIL held up in my local post office for seven days now?
From payoffs for facilitating a mail in voting scam in 2020?
Thank these clowns for the mail in voting scam that helped libtards steal an election. Defund the Post Office
"Here's a headline you might not expect:..."
The TDS is so strong with CNN. They may as well have written "If you hate Trump like us then this is completely unexpected and makes no sense..."
Yes, I'll thank Trump because he'd get the blame if it went even more in debt, but wouldn't the increased shipping from online purchases during the pandemic be a big part of it? Or would they have lost money on each delivery and gone more in debt? I guess what I'm asking is, how did this happen?
edit: found my answer:
https://patriots.win/p/12hRQKsgSq/x/c/4Dx4xxGz1mN
canning the worst shitbirds and putting the rest of the flock on notice does a lot.
And still they committed crimes to backstab him with election fraud
And they rewarded him by stealing the election.
Obama claimed President Trump was "kneecapping" the USPS and protesters swarmed the Trump administration's Postmaster General's house. Wouldn't that be...incitement???
https://archive.fo/tK3SI
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8630863/Protesters-gather-outside-USPS-Postmaster-Generals-home-amid-voter-suppression-allegations.html
F’em they aided in ELECTION FRAUD!
They'll be back in the shitter in 6 months under Pedo Joe.
Covid helped a lot with that haha
Trump's appointment DeJoy put them in position to focus on package service and shed a lot of legacy envelope infrastructure putting them in the right place.
I was told Trump was hellbent on destroying the postal service. What gives?!
Remember the video with him and the nine foot tall graph showing all the legislation that he cut? I do.
And they still manage to lose, mangle, or severely delay 1 in about 20 of every single package I ship, and I own 2 ebay stores and ship hundreds of packages a month. If I screwed up any given task out of every 20 I was assigned for any job in the world I would lose that job. Probably. Unless I worked in government. I rest my case.
The left callin it bad that usps isnt tanking lol ‘theyre charging more!!’
More like USPS got kickbacks for their participation in election fraud
Yet the postal Union was Trump-Derangment Central
https://twitter.com/Barkiologist/status/1294055592902791168
Unions aren’t really interested in solvency or profitability. They’ll run something into the ground then demand a bailout from taxpayer funds.
Ha I knew this would happen and bet the media and libs and rhinos give him no credit.
Trump turns around any business he touches. The most successful human to have ever lived
they must have gotten payoffs for fraudulent ballots
That’s the amount the DNC paid them to fuck with the mail in ballots !!!
Yeah they have a profit this time, because of all the money that came in for all the cheating that they did for the election. How many pallets were delivered by the US Postal Service to help steal this election. I guess you get paid a lot of money for that these days
ALL PRAISE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND HIS LEADERSHIP FOR IMPROVING THE USPS!
The left will credit Biden.
Great, now disband the usps. Let the private sector do it.
so nice of them to deliver all those ballots against him (sarcasm)
COVID.
they thank Trump by delivering all the absentee ballots needed to vote him out. I can't think of a bigger traitor than the post office after this. I'm out to screw them
Trump should've shut it down instead of "reviving" it.
Wait, the lame stream media told me Drumpf was killing the USPS?
He likely did that by stealing all the mail boxes and selling them as barbecues on Craigslist.
I suppose they're broke again compliments of Biden.
And spent it screwing themselves. Fk usps, worst sht service you can imagine.