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DO WE ALL AGREE ON THIS?! (media.patriots.win)
posted ago by Mukzn ago by Mukzn +2687 / -2
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ibepokey 83 points ago +85 / -2

I think honest elections would be more important.

Paper ballots, hand counted.

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barwhack 29 points ago +30 / -1

And recall by firing squad.

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Mukzn [S] 18 points ago +18 / -0

Honest elections are the first step towards a for the people system.

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Dialectic 3 points ago +16 / -13

He didn’t say “more important”, faggot. He asked if you agree on it.

Everyone should agree on term limits for these scumfucks

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xxxMAGA420xxx 11 points ago +13 / -2

Fuck you.

That's all.

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Dialectic 4 points ago +4 / -0

Fair

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TownHallBall 3 points ago +4 / -1

Lmao. I love you guys.

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Dialectic 3 points ago +3 / -0

hugs

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iDinduNuffin 5 points ago +5 / -0

Why? As if they're legitimate representatives in the first place, even though they betray their constituents and regularly violate the constitution?

Term limits are just more feel-good paternalistic bullshit that doesn't actually fix the problem. How'd term limits on the presidency work out for stopping the swamp? People retarded enough to put up with the same individual scumfuck for decades on end aren't gonna suddenly "see the light" because now they get to pick a shiny new scumfuck every few elections.

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kyblugrass 2 points ago +2 / -0

Term limits ends up helping out the enemy Globalists rather than the people, they can afford to find and finance corrupt new puppets every election cycle. Honest elections are key.

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Dialectic 1 point ago +1 / -0

This is loser talk. The less time any shitty politician is in office, the better.

Fucking Republican concern trolling.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

You're focused on getting shitty politicians out instead of getting and keeping good statesmen in.

The quintessential characteristic of libertarians and cuckservatives is always being on the defense and wanting to weaken their own power.

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Dialectic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Fucking Goldwater was writing about Congress being full of shitfucks back in what, the 60s? Congress is always, and will always be full of awful, horrible people.

The founders knew this. Barry Goldwater confirmed this. And we're still experiencing this. There is never going to be a time in this country when we have a majority of congress being "good statesmen." It is a utopia that doesn't exist and it is precisely why the founders wanted the branches at odds with each other. If I'm not mistaken, they also argued over term limits.

And now the worst of these fuckers stay in office their entire pathetic lives. I'd much rather all government, even theoretical "good statesmen," have less power.

Losers are always concerning and over analyzing this shit.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Guess what conclusion the Founders came to about term limits? I never said anything about the majority of congress, it only takes a handful to keep their factions in line.

I'd much rather all government, even theoretical "good statesmen," have less power.

You'd "much rather", i.e. given the choice between real life political struggles to enforce your ideals and a utopia that doesn't exist where you don't have to worry about it, you choose the latter.

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Dialectic 1 point ago +1 / -0

It cracks me up you think I’m the one pursuing utopia when you’re the one who thinks the current system will work without adjustments if only we try harder.

I’m sure next time we’ll get all those scum out of office! One of these years it’s bound to work!

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TheSleepingPresident 0 points ago +1 / -1

How does 47 years in office not create the swamp

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TheSleepingPresident 1 point ago +2 / -1

Learn to code makes good points.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

Because the office isn't where the swamp actually operates, rather the bureaucracy around it, the contractors, the lobbyists, fundraisers, creditors, etc.

The person in office is just the figurehead, or the rubber stamp. They can be just as corrupt and involved in the swamp, don't get me wrong, but they're not the root of it.

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learntocode -9 points ago +5 / -14

i dont agree, term limits are a net negative in my experience

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tallon 7 points ago +7 / -0

Why?

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Dr0neRec0very 5 points ago +6 / -1

Welcome to patriots.win, Mitch! xD

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learntocode 2 points ago +4 / -2

LOL, u rite what do I know I just watched California implement them and saw how absolutely STUPID shit has gotten since because nobody in office cares NOR knows a good god damn about how to fix things and they all have incentives to slam dunk a career advancing policy or two before bouncing to the next elite job. This doesn't break the wheel, it only makes it rotate faster. It is emotionally a fun move "fuck these guys!!! Woo hoo!!" but imagine a board of directors at a company, they suck and not only do the shareholders replace them, they insist that all new board members can only serve a couple years before they get bounced. It doesn't stop the stupid shit, it just ramps up the incentives to do dumb consequence free things.

Witness California's legislature.

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Dingus 4 points ago +5 / -1

12 years for a Senator is plenty.

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learntocode 3 points ago +3 / -0

I disagree. Our media market was deregulated during Clintons second term, and so was finance. We are dealing with the fallout from that stupid shit ever since. Booting the current parasites for a whole new gang of know-nothing parasites doesn't repair anything in our system. I have seen it first hand with my city council, with the county supervisors and with the legislature - term limits just ramps up the power of elite political mafias. To run for office you take a high powered person with connection and a mind for public service and you grind them to fucking dust at the wheel of public life. Some emerge complete wrecks - and with term limits you ensure it! So, rather than throw away the most productive years of their elite lives, these folks become super super politically correct, they get in line, and have little knife fights amongst themselves for the next rotating spot in some office or another. They don't give a fuck what the power given to them are, they will be gone soon anyway. It turns the local political elite into colonial governors of their own people. It is a fucked up situation and only accelerates the status quo. NOT ALLOWED

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Dr0neRec0very 1 point ago +2 / -1

KEK Yea, sure, faggot! Any excuse you can come up with to keep a fucking NANCY PELOSI in power for FIFTY FUCKING YEARS is just fine, right? Eat a dick; you and your three phony-ass alt accounts. This demonstrates to me that even California CONSERVATIVES are retarded.

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learntocode 1 point ago +1 / -0

yawn okay so we get ten dumber versions in a row? makes things worse,and I have the benefit of living through the change myself to comw to this opinion

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learntocode 0 points ago +1 / -1

CA conservatives have voted in term limits up and down the state. Things have gotten worse. Jeez youre so emotionally involved it is almost like evidence and reality dont matter. I used to be in favor of term limits and then I lived through their implementation. They just make stupid shit happen faster.

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Dr0neRec0very 1 point ago +4 / -3

"Things have gotten worse." Yea, and look at who is doing the voting in those RIGGED elections! It's not the term limits; it's the fucking retards in California. Abandon ship!

"youre so emotionally involved" The pot over there must be laced with just enough bath salts to make a person think he's Councilor Troy. The exclamation points are for the reader, not me. It's to convey a sense of urgency (urgency that DOES exist). Also, appeal to emotion fallacy: go look it up so you can free yourself from relying on it.

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Gold-Eyed-Cat 3 points ago +3 / -0

Agree. Let's be brutally honest here. Congressional bills haven't been written by members of congress in a very very long time.

 

We all subconsciously know this. Today's congress members ask the Mars rover team if they can see where Neil Armstrong planted the American flag. They think overpopulated islands might flip over. Our "elected" officials are dumber than horse shit.

 

In all honesty, the last item of legislation written by congress was sometime around the mid 1990’s. Modern legislation is sub-contracted to K-Street. K-Street Lobbyists write the laws; congress sells the laws; lobbyists then pay congress commissions for passing their laws. That’s the modern legislative business in DC.

 

Term limits are cool. The system is still cancer.

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AmericanJawa 3 points ago +3 / -0

And this, too.

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C_Huckleberry 3 points ago +3 / -0

What would happen if we got organized and gathered paper votes reflecting our 2020 votes ourselves and submitted them en masse to our districts' voter registration boards, and demanded that they be reconciled with the recorded votes?

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Trooph-Hurts 31 points ago +33 / -2

All government positions, bureaucrats too, limits to how long you can entrench yourself! I say a life time maximum 12 years total and no more than 6 years in a position! Even garbage man!

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IncredibleMrE1 17 points ago +18 / -1

This is the correct answer. I've always supported putting term limits on Congress, but it means nothing when the unelected bureaucracy never changes.

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Dialectic 8 points ago +8 / -0

Fuckin A. Feds need a term limit too.

Motherfuckers

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G_regulator 5 points ago +5 / -0

I actually really like this idea. It creates a check against bureacrats building empires within unelected positions and cuts off the ability of foreign powers influencing unelected officials for their own gains.

It keeps them accountable to the American people.

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Maga2020Maga2020 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fed government should be shrunk by 85%

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CantStumpTheTrump20 1 point ago +1 / -0

I don’t know about that position idea. I’m 100% for term limits though.

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Trooph-Hurts 1 point ago +1 / -0

Just suggesting that govt wouldn’t be used as a career! You should be allowed to stay in a position or department long enough so that you get too involved.... govt employees have a MASSIVE conflict of interest and that should be heavily guarded against! For example we know how they are unionized and negotiate salary but has anyone thought about how they REGULATE THAT EFFECTS THEIR retirement! Huge conflict!

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Scutigera_coleoptrat 15 points ago +15 / -0

Dominion was built as a swamp "anti-sump pump" - keep the swamp thick and moist.

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Mukzn [S] 14 points ago +14 / -0

Get rid of that shit system!

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Dr0neRec0very 2 points ago +3 / -1

Screening Chinese loyalists, "hate groups" (BLM) and criminals out of election staff is also necessary. Not all of the fraud results from the machines.

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buckfoomers 10 points ago +10 / -0

The politicians who would have to make the laws establishing term limits for themselves don't, it seems

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Cakes4077 12 points ago +12 / -0

Convention of states could cause term limits.

https://conventionofstates.com/

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Dev404 1 point ago +1 / -0

This needs to proceed!

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theblackprince 9 points ago +9 / -0

Term limits is a symptom of a disease. If enacting them will suddenly inspire all Americans to pay attention to all levels of their govt and participate like a part time job for the rest of their lives, then sure. Otherwise the powers that be will just manipulate as they already do for their own ends.

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War_Hamster 5 points ago +6 / -1

The best argument against term limits that I've heard is that it'll just force the crooks to line their pockets more quickly.

A better solution would be to just audit all of them and hold them accountable. We already have laws against what they do to us, we just don't enforce them. Fix that, and then we can talk.

Also, term limits don't do anything about non-elected officials building their own fiefdoms or just cashing in in the private sector every few years. Gotta fix those revolving doors.

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learntocode 5 points ago +6 / -1

ding ding ding

you get it

term limits are like school bussing: a fun rheotrical weapon but a complete policy failure

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Cakes4077 3 points ago +3 / -0

A politician can stay in a position if elected in the general election with more than 60% of the vote maybe?

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Mukzn [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Maybe if the people like them, they can stay, but that must be a fair amount. Also pure independent audits at any necessary point for accountability.

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Gmelindag 4 points ago +4 / -0

Yep!

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_deleted_ 0 points ago +1 / -1

Nobody ever mentions the down side of town limits. The biggest being a fresh new batch of brainwashed ultra-communist college grads every few years each with a new color of hair and unique pronoun, who get to steer our country in the direction they choose.

I'm not saying I'm not for term limits, but this is an extremely under addressed issue that needs solving if term limits are implemented.

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spinometer 1 point ago +2 / -1

that risk is far less than the reality we have now

our reality is that politicians embed themselves into power and cannot be dislodged

the longer they stay the more corruptly they embed themselves

to the point where we cannot even have a real election anymore

the risk of fake elections, which is our current reality, is why term limits are a must

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iDinduNuffin 2 points ago +2 / -0

As usual conservatives find a way to rationalize why handcuffing ourselves and shooting our own feet is a smart strategy. Which is in greater supply, low-IQ corruptible puppets or strong, qualified, patriotic leaders? If we somehow managed to get term limits imposed, it's because we miraculously dislodged enough of the corrupt ones and replaced them with patriotic ones. So of course the best thing to do is prevent ourselves from keeping them in office!

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spinometer 1 point ago +1 / -0

No, patriotic leaders will beget new ones. That's what true leaders do: reproduce others in their own image and pattern. You don't realize that because you've never seen it.

A true patriotic leader would never be a career politician. Politician was never supposed to be a career. We must enshrine it into law.

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

How'd that work out with the Founders? A true leader isn't suddenly a career politician because the people chose to keep him as their leader for more than 8 years. Exceptionalism is just that: exceptional. The only way you can enshrine something is by embedding it in the population itself.

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spinometer 1 point ago +1 / -0

What are you trying to say Mitch?

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iDinduNuffin 1 point ago +1 / -0

"Please keep investing your time and energy into begging us to do something we're never going to do and wouldn't fix your problem anyway"

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DeadOverRed 4 points ago +4 / -0

if by term limits, you mean every person in D.C.'s term has expired, then yes.

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AngryCitizen 4 points ago +4 / -0

Term limits are like installing ONE storm drain in the swamp. It helps - but it doesn’t do the whole job. According to Ric Grenell, it doesn’t even help because it empowers the permanent swamp dwellers (staffers) more so because new blood has a harder time resisting.

Need more outsiders.

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keeptherepublic100 3 points ago +3 / -0

Interesting take

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GOLDNSQUID 3 points ago +3 / -0

Anyone that thinks term limits are a good thing needs to go watch the Obama hot mic message to Putin about his his 2nd term then apply that to 100 senators and 100s of representatives.

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EllemenoP 3 points ago +3 / -0

Good luck getting them to limit their own power and greed.

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Tip-O-Matic 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yeah, there would definitely need to be an outside influence to impose congressional term limits...

Read the book 'Term Limits' by Vince Flynn, if you haven't already. It was his first book, and it's really, really good.

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lefty295 3 points ago +3 / -0

Yeah everyone agrees! But Congress... which everyone also hates and historically has the lowest approval rating of any branch of government, even outstripping the IRS.

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zaowood 3 points ago +3 / -0

Also need to significantly reduce the number of votes required for recall.

And, if a recall effort succeeds, the recalled politician/governor/mayor needs to get the bill, personally, for any legal proceedings that people had to pay in order to pass it.

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spinometer 2 points ago +2 / -0

We would need to call a constitutional convention for this. They would never pass a law.

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Threebabies 2 points ago +2 / -0

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Term limits without the abolishing of private industry funding for candidates is a bad idea. If we did a 2 term limit for congress, every two terms there would be another industrial globalist puppet, well funded and thrust into politics to vote however the handlers say.

If a significant chunk of the congress is up for limits, they can cram through junk bills and alleviate responsibility and incentive for the next election. While I agree with the premise, other steps need to be taken first

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Trilby 2 points ago +2 / -0

ABSOLUTELY!!!!

I like Greg Kelly. He cares, unlike some of the cucks on Newsmax who are just chuckle-headds.

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Uncle_Remus 2 points ago +2 / -0

Doesn't go far enough. Should include

  1. No housing subsidies for reps living in D.C., no money for congressional staffers living in D.C.

  2. Must hold a public meeting before every trip to D.C. Meeting must be publicly announced.

  3. No dual citizenship for elected officials.

  4. No person shall serve more than 3 terms in the house and 2 in the senate.

  5. All personal finances of elected federal office holders must be placed by in a blind trust equal to what is required for the president.

  6. Remove ALL insider trading protections for elected and appointed officials.

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Eatinglue 2 points ago +2 / -0

I’m sure 70% of America agrees. But that’s like asking pigs if they want to be pork chops or pulled pork. Not gonna happen. Presidential term limits were easier to achieve. Legislature could make a constitutional amendment happen more easily than a President.

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keeptherepublic100 2 points ago +2 / -0

And a pig just flew by my window. Seriously I am willing to except this change: only new members have term limits every else is grand fathered in. Not ideal but there is not other way.

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peruvianhat 2 points ago +2 / -0

Admirable idea, but empowers even more the bureaucrats behind the scenes. Those we cannot vote out.

It would require a renegade like DJT to be in power for decades to sift some of that garbage out, which would be helpful. Instead we get people like McConnell who who come to have a symbiotic relationship with corrupt bureaucrats and so fight to further entrench them.

Enacting term limits would likely placate most of the people concerned about a deep state, but it wouldn't much help in dismantling it.

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yellowandrose 2 points ago +2 / -0

oh hell yes. i've been saying it for decades

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PonySoldier66 2 points ago +2 / -0

40 years late is better than never. 8 years. I'd rather have AOCs flowing through there than Bitch Mcconnells.

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FTR22 2 points ago +2 / -0

Not only term limits but ALSO revisit the terms for senators. 6 years is WAY TOO LONG now. Should be 3 or 4 years at the longest.

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Testosteroneape2000 2 points ago +2 / -0

We need to put congress in gitmo.. Then rehire new members. Then we can have term limits.

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AlcoholicRetard 2 points ago +2 / -0

Let’s get some free beer and blowjobs as long as we’re all asking for things we’re never going to get.

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TheWinningNeverStops 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fix the election theft first...

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jerrycan111 2 points ago +2 / -0

Lol people here thinking it matters what we agree on. No balls no vote no opinion

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1775Concord 2 points ago +2 / -0

The Founders put that in ...an election every 2 years. We need proof of citizenship, PHOTO ID, and SEVERE penalties for voter fraud.

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OrthamVega 1 point ago +1 / -0

i doubt you could find a single American that would disagree with this !

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FullAutoFlintlock 1 point ago +3 / -2

Lol.

The delusional bullshit. Stop posting the stupid vote them out like it matters.

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MANAGINGMYSELF 1 point ago +1 / -0

I agree, but fuck Newsmax

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Star_Commander 1 point ago +1 / -0

Absolutely.

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Greeper 1 point ago +1 / -0

No.

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MocksFordComma 1 point ago +1 / -0

This would have been nice starting any time 40-100 years ago.

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BilRoGar 1 point ago +1 / -0

That guy reminds me of Phil Hartman

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Exoda 1 point ago +1 / -0

So would it be possible to collect signatures to put term limits on the ballot and have the people vote for it?

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LesboPregnancyScare 1 point ago +1 / -0

Trump runs for Senate or House representing Florida. Florida doesnt use Dominion voting machines and cleaned up its act thanks to the 2000 election debacle and Desantis cleaning up Palm, Broward, and Miami-Dade. Trump easily wins. No term limits. He stays for life. Everyone wins.

Congress, still full of TDS passes a term limit bill. Everyone still wins.

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Gold-Eyed-Cat 1 point ago +1 / -0

Term limits and "voting" is cool. Cool, but meaningless.

 

The last piece of legislation written by congress was sometime around the mid 1990’s. Modern legislation is written on K-Street. K-Street Lobbyists write the laws. Congress critters sell the laws. Lobbyists then pay congress commissions for passing their laws. That’s modern legislative business in DC.

 

It doesn't matter which shit-for-brains talking heads we have in congress.

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Fire-fly 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yep half dead criminals need to be strapped into their wheelchair and whisked the hell away from our government.

Their age and dementia will kill us.

The age limit should apply to ALL government offices.

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goodguy 1 point ago +1 / -0

Eliminate lobbying, insider trading, money laundering, term limits and this includes judges at every level, change election process completely and involve the military, make mandatory open public meetings once per month for every politician, If impeached politician is aquited - the accusers are punished severely.

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bigbootyhoes 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'll take things that will never happen for 2000...

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sixfingerdildo 1 point ago +1 / -0

term limits yes. after eliminating the lifetime pensions.

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Fallingshadow 1 point ago +1 / -0

The politicians will never agree to it themselves. We need a Constitutional Convention to make it happen.

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Kaboola 1 point ago +1 / -0

Think we will have to set in state level

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SonofAnu 1 point ago +1 / -0

Always has been.jog

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ShampocalypseWOW 1 point ago +1 / -0

Term limits AND no elected official or retired military officer may work for any company that received a government contract while they were in office or serving.

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Range4harry 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not possible with functional voting machines

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MichaelrossMD 1 point ago +1 / -0

ITS BEEN FUCKING TIME since 1776