I prepared and am doing just fine. But the extreme liberal family members who moved out in the middle of the night are now texting ME to cry about being cold, not having power, and running out of food. All are doing phone visits with psychiatrists. Meanwhile, I’m going to grill steaks today!😉
Running out of food??? How long has this winter blast been going on, like a week and a half?? Do your friends keep like half a loaf of bread and some salad dressing in their refrigerators?
The liberals couldn't figure out that a cooler in the snow will work when the power is off and the refrigerator won't stay cold inside a fire heated home.
It has been going on for over 3reeeeeeeee days. Really. I heard there was a storm on the way. Stocked up...only thing did not have a generator...but. I have blankets for the family. Truck was gassed up, external batteries to recharge everything except the computer...and always have water on hand. There is always a way...
3reeeeeeee - LOL!!!
Way to be prepared though! But that's the antithesis of leftists thought. They want and expect the government to take care of them. And when it doesn't, well, that's proof "we need more government."
With hurricanes though the issue is the power is out and it's like 95+ outside, so food spoils. No reason for food to spoil when it's literally freezing though.
Learned my lesson of eating some food out of a refrigerator after no power for a few days.........when weather was too warm. nuff said, won't do that again.
Ya, I can agree with that, I remember during katrina we had food for a good amount of time, about a week or so until the freezer food began thawing in the freezer. We cooked so much fucking food, glad my parents had charcoal.
All hurricanes after that, luckily I havent lost power for more than 2 weeks, the compressor broke on my freezer a few years ago and I lost a little over 300lbs of fish, shrimp, deer, etc. I was in Alaska at the time for 4 months, came home to my garage smelling like death, it had just rotted into this death soup, I had to use buckets to pail that shit out of my garage so I could move the freezer out, I'll never keep that much meat on me again.
The suburban elite greenies will dry a thousand loads of laundry in a dryer per year without availing themselves of a clothesline, even to take most of the moisture out before drying inside to finish off.
These idiots will have 3 pots of boiling water going on the stove at once instead of reusing it for the next dish. My SIL is a malathion protester greenie from decades ago. Doesn't know the first thing about a BTU but will lecture about pesticides, evil corporations, global warming
This is what happens when socialists "depend" on government. It's always happened and will continue to happen. The only person people should rely on is themselves.
I have the same situation, everything is fine, I prepped a little last week knowing this is bad and didn't leave it up to "collectives" to save me and mine.
After the shelves stared filling back up in stores last year I started slowly building up a pantry buying a little extra each week. Lesson learned, won't be caught unprepared again
Yes, it is cold, and yes there are power and water outages all over the place, but people nowadays don't seem driven enough to adapt and overcome. Lots of REEEEEEEEEE everywhere for sure, no apparent shortage of that.
We're on assignment now helping some hospitals with their staff shortages, and we are carrying on as best as we can, DESPITE the really bad conditions. I've seen that the good, friendly people are easy to spot when times get tough.
Be one of those people. I believe that good things happen to those who do good unto others.
Be safe out there fellow Texans, and you as well, fellow pedes and frens!
The legacy media is in overdrive trying to pass the blame onto coal and natural gas. Regardless, they were saying that wind power output, which is 25% of Texas’ electrical production, was down 50%, so a 12.5% decrease in output. I think most electrical grids would be in trouble if there was suddenly a 10% decrease in output.
Status update from Ercot as of 2-17 1204PM.
Solar power is generating 2 GW out of the typical 4-5 GW
Wind is generating 1.6 GW out of 30 GW install base (though to be fair the highest output ever has been 19 GW).
So solar is at half normal capacity and wind is at 20% if we are generous.
Daily low for wind was 0.6 GW or only 600 MW.
Total projected system need is in the 60-70 GW or 60,000-70,000 MW range. Generatoin capacity actual as reported by ercot is now about 50000 MW or 50 GW. Would really be nice to get an extra 5-8 GW out of wind which is pretty typical (8-12 GW).
The conservatives in Texas need to start drafting legislation to shift the focus of energy production to fossil fuels. If they play a stupid game where they blame others they will lose and Texas will flip. They need to flip their energy strategy today.
We have our own grid precisely to keep the federal government from leveraging our electricity as a means of blackmailing us to stay in the union. If you don't get that, you're the one who's stupid, not us. We understand winter means cold, and every Texan lives by the axiom: "if you don't like Texas' weather, wait 5 minutes, it'll change". We're not complaining and we don't need you to white knight for us or to slyly encourage "solutions" that only serve to enslave us.
We aren't pathetically dependent, like whiny-ass California or New York, to have to beg for electricity off our neighbors. If we can't provide it for ourselves, we don't want it from others. Arkansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, and New Mexico are a lot colder than we are and what's the point in making them do without?? If you don't live here, you have no right to condescendingly pontificate about our strategy for defying the insidious collectivist tyranny of the feds. It's the Lone Star Republic for a reason.
My guess is you went to A&M. I live in TX, love TX, think TX does most things right. TX did not do this one right. They allowed too much base power capacity to come from non-natural gas and non-coal sources.
One thing I know, when shot hits the fan TX is pretty good at fixing things. So I am hopeful we will not rely on crap renewable energy and also better prepare for a crazy weather event.
Actually, UCLA. My spouse went to Stanford. We both have our PhDs in History. But, we couldn't wait to get out of CA. As soon as I was done with my degree I said we've gotta get out of here, because as early as '89, we could see how things were going to end up in CA. So, we got interviews in Texas and got here in 1990.
We live on I-45, so I watch the trucks take wind turbine blades and generators up the freeway from Houston to points north all the time. I can only assume these are being made in Korea, shipped to the port of Houston and then taken up into the heartland (AR, OK, MO, KS, etc) since I don't see those dumb frikkin things around east Texas, anyway.
I'm handling it just fine, it's great! Gets rid of the vermin like CA & Mexican street zombies, too. And, btw, everybody else here is handling it fine, as well. So you can just fuck right off now, to whatever holdy-hand, leftard cesspit you slimed out of.
Well I fully support Texans being able to decide to have independent power grid if there willing to bear the cost of it, which is stuff like this. Its not really Texas fault that their power grid isn't designed to deal with a 1 in 20 year ice storm, but this is what a unified power grid is for so, texans should weigh that when deciding.
Texas secession has always been like a little festival for the masses, a vial of hopium for the true diehards, its a joke, its never going to happen. Texas just doesn't want to have to deal with the same environmental regulations as the rest of the country. It has nothing to do with winning a war with the feds. Or not letting the Chinese build your grid. The construction of the grid is done by public utilities companies and contractors hired by state and municipal authorities not the fed and Texas could ban Chinese parts from being used in those contracts whether or not their grid was connected.
To entertain your notion. If there was a war the first thing the feds would do would be shoot a bunch of AGM-86 ALCM cruise missiles from bombers based in North Dakota or California probably and destroy all of Texas power plants making the grid more or less useless. If anything, Texas grid energy independence would just spare them having to blackout parts of New Mexico and Oklahoma.
Wind power employs about ~130,000 people, the coal industry employs about 54,000. The wind industry generates 7% of US power the Coal industry 23%. Its not quite 10x, but its still far more. Outside of West Virginia, a move towards more renewables would be a huge boon for rural America. It would employ a lot of people, and you obviously aren't going to be building solar or wind farms in the middle of cities. It costs about 40$ per MWH for onshore wind and 114$ per MWH for coal. The cost of building wind turbines is slightly higher than a gas factory but cheaper than a coal factory, but much of that is labor cost to American workers and it becomes much cheaper when factor in that once built wind is essentially free. Ofc wind energy is going to have to be back up with nuclear and probably some natural gas. Its not always windy and its not always sunny.
The idea that the wind industry is being held up by government subsidies though is stupid. Almost all power generation comes from public utilities monopolies who are given huge government subsides. Thats just how the energy industry works. Its a hell of a lot cheaper to invest in new technology than to have to have an aircraft carrier group off the Persian gulf 8 months a year. Opposition to wind energy is more about aesthetics and being duped by the oil lobby than actual concerns.
In case you guys think that windmills aren't reliable in the winter if they are properly weathered proofed just like any power source here you go:
Getting more coal to a coal power plant is straightforward. Many large power plants have a contract with a railroad to supply them coal. These contracts stipulate that if the power company needs more coal, the railroad is to supply it in a short timeframe (24-48 hours). As long as the railroad isn’t snowed in and the power company has enough electricity to send out a phone call or email asking for more coal, it’s reasonable for the coal plant to keep running
Hasn’t anyone learned after hurricanes ,covid and anything else you need at the very least a month of supplies for your family . And don’t forget your elderly parents and pets too.
Y'all should know its not just renewables struggling. I'm hearing close to 30GW of thermal generation and 16GW of renewables are offline. Ice is taking down trees and power lines and coal piles and gas lines are freezing.
Texas largely relies on natural gas — especially during times of high demand — to power the state. Experts say natural gas infrastructure, from pumping it out of the ground to the plants in city centers, was unprepared for the plunging temperatures brought by the winter storm. https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/16/natural-gas-power-storm/
That only proves that it's non-renewables that carry the load; if that load were lighter, the fossil fuel supply would not fail as much. Moving ~10-25% of the grid to "renewables" really just means you shrank your supply by that much and increased the stress on the remaining 75-90%.
Doesn't necessarily need regulation. Just make the penalties for failure to reduce promised power harsh.
This also lands fairly on renewables too. They would probably have more flexibility built into the contracts but the electricity price should be correspondingly lower too. Renewables have their place (especially if you can pair them with storage systems like hydro and potentially batteries) but treating them the same as more reliable systems for political reasons produces the normal nonsense.
Yes, it is how it works. You have rolling blackouts because the production is coming in too low to allow for repair downtimes on these plants. And that's caused by lack of redundancy and overall output brought about by shifting a quarter of the grid from working fossil fuel sources to boondoggle "green" garbage. The bottom line is that if these mills were instead fossil fuel plants (or much better, nuclear), then it's much more likely that the issues that the plants do experience could be managed with less loss of service.
Texas doesn't plan for once-in-a-century ice storms any more than Ohio plans for once-in-a-century earthquakes. That doesn't make either state dumb. Sometimes shit happens. You clean up and get on with your life.
It's actually mostly the fault of central planning not expecting a larger than normal demand increase. An additional 30000 Mw/h of demand over what they planned for. In addition to that, wind power supplied about half of what it was expected. Roughly 11000 Mw/h less than expected. Not expecting a once in a century cold week and non-reliable renewables were responsible.
Not to the extent of this winter. Temperatures have not been this low, for as low for as long, or as much snow since the 1940s. Nor did it have rolling blackouts state-wide for days in 2011 either. So, no, not the same problem in 2011.
Force majeure letters going out everywhere. I'm sitting here with a gas scheduler in my living room and they are sending out notices that they cannot deliver because the counter-party declared a force majeure and is not delivery. So basically, the Henry Hub ain't flowing for many.
I prepared and am doing just fine. But the extreme liberal family members who moved out in the middle of the night are now texting ME to cry about being cold, not having power, and running out of food. All are doing phone visits with psychiatrists. Meanwhile, I’m going to grill steaks today!😉
Running out of food??? How long has this winter blast been going on, like a week and a half?? Do your friends keep like half a loaf of bread and some salad dressing in their refrigerators?
The liberals couldn't figure out that a cooler in the snow will work when the power is off and the refrigerator won't stay cold inside a fire heated home.
But they are the intelligent ones...
likely same folks that say we don't need those farms we have grocery stores lol
It’s just their culture, we can’t blame them.
they're a special kind of stupid
If it's so shocking, why not make it its own post rather than making a random comment about it in a completely unrelated post?
It's a spam bot. Deport.
It has been going on for over 3reeeeeeeee days. Really. I heard there was a storm on the way. Stocked up...only thing did not have a generator...but. I have blankets for the family. Truck was gassed up, external batteries to recharge everything except the computer...and always have water on hand. There is always a way...
3reeeeeeee - LOL!!! Way to be prepared though! But that's the antithesis of leftists thought. They want and expect the government to take care of them. And when it doesn't, well, that's proof "we need more government."
People arent responsible for shit anymore.
3 days after major hurricanes there are always tons of people lined up to recieve MREs and water.
Well that's something I can understand. But this is literally 6 to 8 inches of Snow. People in North Dakota see this all the time.
Lol it happens all the time in hurricane areas and they usually warn you a week beforehand to have bare minimum 1 week of supplies.
Agreed. But still, Hurricanes can do major damage, and flood, we saw what it did during Katrina when the Levies broke.
With hurricanes though the issue is the power is out and it's like 95+ outside, so food spoils. No reason for food to spoil when it's literally freezing though.
Learned my lesson of eating some food out of a refrigerator after no power for a few days.........when weather was too warm. nuff said, won't do that again.
Ya, I can agree with that, I remember during katrina we had food for a good amount of time, about a week or so until the freezer food began thawing in the freezer. We cooked so much fucking food, glad my parents had charcoal.
All hurricanes after that, luckily I havent lost power for more than 2 weeks, the compressor broke on my freezer a few years ago and I lost a little over 300lbs of fish, shrimp, deer, etc. I was in Alaska at the time for 4 months, came home to my garage smelling like death, it had just rotted into this death soup, I had to use buckets to pail that shit out of my garage so I could move the freezer out, I'll never keep that much meat on me again.
Libs love not having food around. It reminds them of communism.
The suburban elite greenies will dry a thousand loads of laundry in a dryer per year without availing themselves of a clothesline, even to take most of the moisture out before drying inside to finish off.
These idiots will have 3 pots of boiling water going on the stove at once instead of reusing it for the next dish. My SIL is a malathion protester greenie from decades ago. Doesn't know the first thing about a BTU but will lecture about pesticides, evil corporations, global warming
This is what happens when socialists "depend" on government. It's always happened and will continue to happen. The only person people should rely on is themselves.
I have the same situation, everything is fine, I prepped a little last week knowing this is bad and didn't leave it up to "collectives" to save me and mine.
After the shelves stared filling back up in stores last year I started slowly building up a pantry buying a little extra each week. Lesson learned, won't be caught unprepared again
I remember going to the grocery store right after Katrina shaking my head at the people preparing for Rita with carts full of frozen food.
Yes, it is cold, and yes there are power and water outages all over the place, but people nowadays don't seem driven enough to adapt and overcome. Lots of REEEEEEEEEE everywhere for sure, no apparent shortage of that.
We're on assignment now helping some hospitals with their staff shortages, and we are carrying on as best as we can, DESPITE the really bad conditions. I've seen that the good, friendly people are easy to spot when times get tough.
Be one of those people. I believe that good things happen to those who do good unto others.
Be safe out there fellow Texans, and you as well, fellow pedes and frens!
The legacy media is in overdrive trying to pass the blame onto coal and natural gas. Regardless, they were saying that wind power output, which is 25% of Texas’ electrical production, was down 50%, so a 12.5% decrease in output. I think most electrical grids would be in trouble if there was suddenly a 10% decrease in output.
The gas pipelines have frozen apparently. It’s not just wind being the issue.
LOL, a new application for an existing BRRRR
Brutal
Status update from Ercot as of 2-17 1204PM. Solar power is generating 2 GW out of the typical 4-5 GW Wind is generating 1.6 GW out of 30 GW install base (though to be fair the highest output ever has been 19 GW).
So solar is at half normal capacity and wind is at 20% if we are generous. Daily low for wind was 0.6 GW or only 600 MW.
Total projected system need is in the 60-70 GW or 60,000-70,000 MW range. Generatoin capacity actual as reported by ercot is now about 50000 MW or 50 GW. Would really be nice to get an extra 5-8 GW out of wind which is pretty typical (8-12 GW).
The conservatives in Texas need to start drafting legislation to shift the focus of energy production to fossil fuels. If they play a stupid game where they blame others they will lose and Texas will flip. They need to flip their energy strategy today.
We have our own grid precisely to keep the federal government from leveraging our electricity as a means of blackmailing us to stay in the union. If you don't get that, you're the one who's stupid, not us. We understand winter means cold, and every Texan lives by the axiom: "if you don't like Texas' weather, wait 5 minutes, it'll change". We're not complaining and we don't need you to white knight for us or to slyly encourage "solutions" that only serve to enslave us.
We aren't pathetically dependent, like whiny-ass California or New York, to have to beg for electricity off our neighbors. If we can't provide it for ourselves, we don't want it from others. Arkansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, and New Mexico are a lot colder than we are and what's the point in making them do without?? If you don't live here, you have no right to condescendingly pontificate about our strategy for defying the insidious collectivist tyranny of the feds. It's the Lone Star Republic for a reason.
Cute. But the reason Texas has an independent grid has nothing to do with some political grandstanding of succession.
My guess is you went to A&M. I live in TX, love TX, think TX does most things right. TX did not do this one right. They allowed too much base power capacity to come from non-natural gas and non-coal sources.
One thing I know, when shot hits the fan TX is pretty good at fixing things. So I am hopeful we will not rely on crap renewable energy and also better prepare for a crazy weather event.
Actually, UCLA. My spouse went to Stanford. We both have our PhDs in History. But, we couldn't wait to get out of CA. As soon as I was done with my degree I said we've gotta get out of here, because as early as '89, we could see how things were going to end up in CA. So, we got interviews in Texas and got here in 1990.
We live on I-45, so I watch the trucks take wind turbine blades and generators up the freeway from Houston to points north all the time. I can only assume these are being made in Korea, shipped to the port of Houston and then taken up into the heartland (AR, OK, MO, KS, etc) since I don't see those dumb frikkin things around east Texas, anyway.
I'm handling it just fine, it's great! Gets rid of the vermin like CA & Mexican street zombies, too. And, btw, everybody else here is handling it fine, as well. So you can just fuck right off now, to whatever holdy-hand, leftard cesspit you slimed out of.
Well I fully support Texans being able to decide to have independent power grid if there willing to bear the cost of it, which is stuff like this. Its not really Texas fault that their power grid isn't designed to deal with a 1 in 20 year ice storm, but this is what a unified power grid is for so, texans should weigh that when deciding.
Texas secession has always been like a little festival for the masses, a vial of hopium for the true diehards, its a joke, its never going to happen. Texas just doesn't want to have to deal with the same environmental regulations as the rest of the country. It has nothing to do with winning a war with the feds. Or not letting the Chinese build your grid. The construction of the grid is done by public utilities companies and contractors hired by state and municipal authorities not the fed and Texas could ban Chinese parts from being used in those contracts whether or not their grid was connected.
To entertain your notion. If there was a war the first thing the feds would do would be shoot a bunch of AGM-86 ALCM cruise missiles from bombers based in North Dakota or California probably and destroy all of Texas power plants making the grid more or less useless. If anything, Texas grid energy independence would just spare them having to blackout parts of New Mexico and Oklahoma.
Wind power employs about ~130,000 people, the coal industry employs about 54,000. The wind industry generates 7% of US power the Coal industry 23%. Its not quite 10x, but its still far more. Outside of West Virginia, a move towards more renewables would be a huge boon for rural America. It would employ a lot of people, and you obviously aren't going to be building solar or wind farms in the middle of cities. It costs about 40$ per MWH for onshore wind and 114$ per MWH for coal. The cost of building wind turbines is slightly higher than a gas factory but cheaper than a coal factory, but much of that is labor cost to American workers and it becomes much cheaper when factor in that once built wind is essentially free. Ofc wind energy is going to have to be back up with nuclear and probably some natural gas. Its not always windy and its not always sunny.
The idea that the wind industry is being held up by government subsidies though is stupid. Almost all power generation comes from public utilities monopolies who are given huge government subsides. Thats just how the energy industry works. Its a hell of a lot cheaper to invest in new technology than to have to have an aircraft carrier group off the Persian gulf 8 months a year. Opposition to wind energy is more about aesthetics and being duped by the oil lobby than actual concerns.
In case you guys think that windmills aren't reliable in the winter if they are properly weathered proofed just like any power source here you go:
https://www.archdaily.com/934590/in-antarctica-architecture-is-heating-up/5e58fafd6ee67e0f01000198-in-antarctica-architecture-is-heating-up-image
Found the guys who work for the windmill companies
Jokes on me, I am a college student majoring in history.
Study harder.
Yeah, we need more coal.
Getting more coal to a coal power plant is straightforward. Many large power plants have a contract with a railroad to supply them coal. These contracts stipulate that if the power company needs more coal, the railroad is to supply it in a short timeframe (24-48 hours). As long as the railroad isn’t snowed in and the power company has enough electricity to send out a phone call or email asking for more coal, it’s reasonable for the coal plant to keep running
Hasn’t anyone learned after hurricanes ,covid and anything else you need at the very least a month of supplies for your family . And don’t forget your elderly parents and pets too.
We have the best wojacks, believe me!
Why is this stickied? Literally just posted and feels kinda not worth a sticky
Yeah agree. I think a mod must be a fan of GME with the brrr.
Why are you two whining? Almost like you're shilling here.
Nooo shilling from me. Just the brrrrr makes me think of Reddit. Annnd I don't like Reddit. That is all.
Actually...now I can see both sides. My bad.
Y'all should know its not just renewables struggling. I'm hearing close to 30GW of thermal generation and 16GW of renewables are offline. Ice is taking down trees and power lines and coal piles and gas lines are freezing.
chynese virus = no work/travel = no demand gas = no fracking = no oil = no jobs = fracking closed = no oil = freezing Texas.
It's funny because it really isn't renewables responsible for Texas freezing.
It's partially renewables.
Look at his history, he seems to be a shill just looking to stir up shit.
His comments have already proved he doesn't have a clue.
lol says the other Shill backing him up everywhere. Your history reads just like his. So much so, you might be an alt.
Here to gasligjt and stir shit up.
You would have better luck on Reddit with the rest of the idiots.
Hahaha
Keep going, you just prove my point more.
Yes, but windmills are actually responsible for a smaller proportion of blackouts than their proportion of the grid from what I've seen.
That only proves that it's non-renewables that carry the load; if that load were lighter, the fossil fuel supply would not fail as much. Moving ~10-25% of the grid to "renewables" really just means you shrank your supply by that much and increased the stress on the remaining 75-90%.
It’s their culture, we can’t fault them for it ~ President Biden.
Doesn't necessarily need regulation. Just make the penalties for failure to reduce promised power harsh.
This also lands fairly on renewables too. They would probably have more flexibility built into the contracts but the electricity price should be correspondingly lower too. Renewables have their place (especially if you can pair them with storage systems like hydro and potentially batteries) but treating them the same as more reliable systems for political reasons produces the normal nonsense.
Yes, it is how it works. You have rolling blackouts because the production is coming in too low to allow for repair downtimes on these plants. And that's caused by lack of redundancy and overall output brought about by shifting a quarter of the grid from working fossil fuel sources to boondoggle "green" garbage. The bottom line is that if these mills were instead fossil fuel plants (or much better, nuclear), then it's much more likely that the issues that the plants do experience could be managed with less loss of service.
is it the ccp on the gridlines?
It's Texans cheaping out on winterization and refusing to connect their grid to other states that could help them because muh profits
Texas.
Winterization.
Do you see the issue here?
Texas doesn't plan for once-in-a-century ice storms any more than Ohio plans for once-in-a-century earthquakes. That doesn't make either state dumb. Sometimes shit happens. You clean up and get on with your life.
Its cause the fed grid is compromised by China and has insane regulations.
They do need to winterize their grid though and get rid of the reliance on windmill garbage.
Thanks for the explanation!
It's actually mostly the fault of central planning not expecting a larger than normal demand increase. An additional 30000 Mw/h of demand over what they planned for. In addition to that, wind power supplied about half of what it was expected. Roughly 11000 Mw/h less than expected. Not expecting a once in a century cold week and non-reliable renewables were responsible.
Not to the extent of this winter. Temperatures have not been this low, for as low for as long, or as much snow since the 1940s. Nor did it have rolling blackouts state-wide for days in 2011 either. So, no, not the same problem in 2011.
Force majeure letters going out everywhere. I'm sitting here with a gas scheduler in my living room and they are sending out notices that they cannot deliver because the counter-party declared a force majeure and is not delivery. So basically, the Henry Hub ain't flowing for many.
Sounds like you might know more than most in this thread. What's your take?
Yes