This girl was really hot too. That picture doesn't do her justice. Hard to imagine that poor girl just coming out of high school hanging out with this animal. Where were the parents?
These young white girls are doing this in spite of their parents. They want to feel "bad" they want to make their parents "mad". This is what it is all about for these brainwashed social media idiots!
All These girls got daddy issues. So do Libs. It is all about daddy disciplining them, or wanting to take daddy away from mommy, or punishing their parents, ir being brainwashes in school. Its fucked up shit for sure.
It’s not always to spite their parents, though it often is .
For many who grow up in the suburbs,
Middle class or upper middle class, life is comfy but super fuckin boring.
School, sports, parties at houses. Same shit. Easy life. Parents think this is good, and to a point, it is.
Young adults or teenagers want...they need...more. They’re curious about the world outside of school, sexuality, they want more stimulation than they get from the comforts of modernity. People are wired to challenge themselves and modern life often undermines or impedes that.
So kids look for it wherever they find it. They are young and naive, and here you go.
Did you ever see that old Farah Fawcett movie about the abused wife who defended herself from her crazy ex by poisoning him and then hog tying him up and puting him in the fireplace? He eventually sweet talked her into letting him go and she finally had to kill him. But, I mean, BOY! WHAT A MOVIE!
The retarded thing about "WASP" is that the Angles and Saxon are but two tribes out of hundreds that contributed to white genetics in the Americas. It would be like calling black people Black Ubang-Mandinga Shamans. It's fucking stupid.
WASP is what they called a lot of white elites from New England who were Protestants and not Catholics or Jews, and who played golf at exclusive country clubs. The Harvard and Yale types.
Around the era of Darwin there was a lot of pseudo science. There certainly wasn't amity between European states and people's based on similar skin tone. British elites didn't consider Italians or Spaniards as peers, but as "Continentals" to be wary of. The Irish as servants, Germans as Huns, etc etc.
WASP is likely the creation of a social "scientist".
He was just about to go back to get his GED and then to doctorology school. That white bitch was just taunting him with restraining orders to see how much he loved her. Daring him to break down her door to show her he couldn't be kept from her love.
The same place they are when Muslim women get their clit cut off or gays get pushed off a roof. Nowhere to be found. Because Feminism is a big fucking hoax.
They’re always pushing black men / white women couples. I’m not against people loving who they want or advertisements reflecting all kinds of couple combos but it’s so obvious what they’re doing!
Black women are starting to get pissed off about it. I’ve seen lots of rage in the Twitter and YouTube comments of the mixed couple commercials. It’s funny, but I can’t blame them one bit. I have noticed more commercials showing low T white men with black women in the past year too.
My moms friend was killed by her “baby daddy” too. She broke up with him and went over to his house to get the last of her belongings and he showed up, cut her throat , set the house on fire and then killed himself. I was a teen when it happened and it made a strong impact on how I chose my future relationships.
Race relations have sure deteriorated since Obama was elected and the Dems decided to use identity politics to gain power and stir up trouble. Black and hispanic and minority unemployment were at record lows under Trump. Now watch them go back up again under Dems.
It's not just Obama, because this phenomenon is global.
Race relations deteriorated because (thanks to the internet) people were able to get access to crime stats and psychology and biology literature online. The Left realised their planned mixed-race utopia was under threat so they have since gone insane with race-mixing propaganda and affirmative action'ing their allies into positions of influence. Notice how they no longer debate the science and stats on race? Now they just go for straight up de-platforming.
This has red pilled even more people because it's so jarring to their experience of pre-2010. Even my normie wife now yells at the TV screen when she sees forced WFBM couples featured in the show she's watching and the majority of the ads.
Nah. It's just a big wave of retarded ideology that is getting more mainstream acceptance. The white hate is totally real but it's not something you can assign to an entire race. Can't help an anecdote. I lived in MI around Detroit most of my life, and keep wondering if there'll be some libtard friction to interrupt everyone getting along totally fine there. (I think we're totally behind the times rather than having some merit as a society, wokism will confuse people here). More simply, most black people are nice to me here, and given your extreme statement, my anecdote alone is enough to prove it wrong. Got hundreds of anecdotal counter examples to your point, and then there's people like Candace Owens, the Hodge twins... This is a stupid take, and the outright racist statement is ammunition to be used against patriots.win.
No doubt there are many who fiercely hate white people (some of every race, but wouldn't be surprised if it's higher with white liberals). But it's dumb to mirror the same type of hate. Tons of black people had nothing to do with this shit, but if they use your logic, they will hate you. Obviously you would know this, so, this feels pointless to write. The underlying concern is not unreasonable regarding racial hatred, and it's totally understandable to be paranoid at this point. Yet saying all black people hate you becomes a distraction from a real issue, IMO. A real issue that people indeed are targeting whites and mostly are shitheaded liberals plus some percent of old-fashioned racists.
Demonizing people like Candace Owens or Ben Carson if they leave the Democrat plantation to control the leadership in that community, leaving the likes of Maxine Waters and Al Sharpton in places of power and influence
Getting held to a lower standard by libtard politics, getting taught propaganda about systemic racism, getting told if you break into a store in a BLM riot, it's reparations
Actually no matter how extreme those may be, none of those things are excuses for a violent crime, especially the type in the OP. But it would be odd if it didn't increase the proportion of criminals within a society.
Yes, they believe their skin color is something to be proud of and also something they are oppressed for. It's a dumb thing to take pride in, but this is the reality we live under.
The easiest thing to do is to just recognize, and acknowledge reality instead of constantly trying to find ways to hide it while woke white simping, and coping.
I agree that we shouldn't play into the obvious racial division card. They are pushing white supremacist narratives everywhere and it's obvious that racial animosity works against us.
It's easy to go down the wignat rabbit hole if you've been sheltered from the reality of minority violence and then discover you could spend literal days reading about the atrocities done to innocent white people of which there really is no inverse comparison. That's what the system wants though. It wants people to be either blissfully unaware and thus accepting of the minority victim narrative or to be prodded into a rage that can be used against them.
The solution is and always has been to define your in-group identity (Americans) and the identity of the out-group (Communists). It doesn't matter what racial lines make up those identities.
Unfortunately "genetic regression to the mean" is a real biological phenomenom
Even if you pick out the outlier, a very, very well-mannered, intelligent person, your children are going to get genes that are closer to the average of the population / race, than the genetic-lottery-winning outlier
That is why you ALWAYS have to consider populations, relatives, "race" and other things, in addition to the "individual"
The same goes with every single feature or trait. For example, professional athletes and olympians do not produce only olympians. That is because of genetic regression to the mean. The individual traits of a professional athlete might be caused by in a large part by genes, but are not nearly as much heretidary. The top individuals are just a product of genetic lottery. For example, Jordan's kids are not good, at all, in basketball. Gretzky's kids didn't succeed in hockey.
The logic is sound here, but I'm suspicious of the data on the topic and ability to make accurate assessments of these considerations. Mainly, I wonder about the population distribution getting sampled in IQ tests reflecting an entire race sufficiently, and reflecting possible subgroups. I've come across racial IQ literature links in convos like these before, but a lot of it seemed to come from a small sample. Like, compared to a modern clinical trial, the scale is way smaller, and even clinical trials end up missing various parts of the true population distribution in their sample. E.g., the city within a country tested probably has a gigantic influence. I'm inclined to believe this is a real barrier for drawing conclusions, because the numbers and SD given for groups on the bell curve seems to be highly variable from study to study.
On the topic, if we bring genetics into it, we wouldn't really be using race as something to connect to genetics. A scientific classification would probably be something like the mitochondria DNA of different population groups that yields tons of subgroups in race. There will be some overlap with population group associations and race associations, but it's really crude to lump all people of one color or continent together. This together implies there will be intraracial groups that can be exceptions, rather than only outlier individuals. That argues against racial generalization. Except in a case where the racial effect is extremely robust and strong, I suppose.
While I believe IQ measures something real that can be used to make predictions, that may just hold true at an individual level, given the limited data we have. Might be many other issues, given there are probable major confounding factors that co-associate with race. Frankly, I don't know real IQ tests enough to know whether they can compensate. Most of us in these conversations are only familiar with something like an IQ test you can get online and SATs (that are said to correlate well). Anyway, it would be nice if someone can address this point, but as I've heard IQ data does meet the best standards of psychology research, I'll ignore my concerns about the test for now.
"I wonder about the population distribution getting sampled in IQ tests reflecting an entire race sufficiently, and reflecting possible subgroups. "
If you believe the tests have too small samples, check out the statistics that correlate VERY strongly to IQ / intellectual success in general, and that have even the entire population as samples. Things like:
-SAT tests
-PISA tests
-education level
-income
-wealth (correlates better than income)
-crime statistics
Every single one of those tell the exact same story: there are differences between countries and races, and the differences are very similar to those that have been observed in the IQ studies (for example the adoption studies)
"On the topic, if we bring genetics into it, we wouldn't really be using race as something to connect to genetics"
Yes, we would. Even the AI's of computers have catogorized people of the world to races after getting the genomes of people around the world
"Race" is a very real thing. The genetic studies say so, and even about 99% of people themselves know very precisely which "race" they are, or which exact nation they belong to, even before getting a DNA test to find it out.
The genetic studies on intelligence have already found hundreds of genes linked to higher intelligence - and that those genes are found more often in the "races" that have been scoring higher in the IQ tests
So yes, "race" is real, the sample sizes are large enough, and the differences are partly due to real hereditary genetics (and not just due to the environment, poverity etc).
This of course does not mean some people should be given up on from the gate. But it does mean we shouldn't be wasting any resources trying to secure equality of outcomes
The "Kansas City school experiment" showed once and for all, that trying to destroy the IQ gap by throwing money & resources on the "problem" will not solve anything. Hundreds of millions were wasted, and the gap remained:
The point is, the black-white IQ gap is huge (1 SD) even at a low resolution, so it shouldn't be ignored. While in reality public policies deny its existence and legally enforce racial quotas (four-fifths rule).
There will be some overlap with population group associations and race associations
Genetic clusters and self-identified race align perfectly.
Might be many other issues, given there are probable major confounding factors that co-associate with race.
Go find a single one. The science deniers have been making up "possible issues" for over 100 years, without providing any evidence.
I've heard of The Bell Curve book when News of it getting censored despite being scientifically rigorous came out. I'm not denying IQ usefulness as an accurate predictor, just questioning how it is applied on large groups.
An example on your point below, some years ago I remember some IQ tests that included places in China. Shanghai, one of the richest (or richest cities) had a high ranking, but rural places in the same country were less, maybe by 10 points IIRC. Since we'd classify them as the same race, it suggests confounding effects related to wealth. Just to follow up, are you really sure all genetic clusters self-identify with race? Africa is a pretty huge place so I'd doubt there would be homogeneity in IQ or other characteristics. I hazily remember hearing around 10 years ago how Nigerians were the "most successful" immigrant group and had above average performance in school. I would guess that perhaps that group does not follow the same IQ trend as various other African populations.
I find it entirely rational that something like an IQ test to be influenced by experience, particularly education. There might be some ways to control for this by real tests, so you can inform if that's true. Otherwise looking to what I know from non-official IQ tests and SATs, I can say education experience should be a huge factor. Continuing with East Asian IQs which were recorded to be higher in the US and places like Japan/Hong Kong/Singapore, I think there are confounders in the US as well. My former Chinese colleagues almost all sent their kids to additional private schooling from when they're in elementary school, and I'm fairly confident they do more studying and teaching with their kids than in most other populations, on average. My guess is this confounder could be large, especially for younger ages, if that education has started.
I don't doubt the importance of a population having 1 SD difference, but I have no idea what this should motivate us to do, policy wise. If this is accurate, it means you have about 33% of normal and above IQs in that broad population. A minority, but still a ton of people. If we did want to do anything based on IQ, it would be best if we could have all individuals take an IQ test and then respond individually, letting the chips fall where they may.
Well, I've already commented in this thread, that you'd want to use a better predictor than racial average when considering regression to the mean in a particular couple. But it's still better than nothing.
Also nobody claims that IQ is 100% determined by the genes. The claim is that it's about 80% (of the variance in a given population) heritable in adults in developed countries. And the remaining 20% cannot be systematically influenced. That is, the effects of parental wealth and private schooling on IQ gradually disappear past puberty.
By definition, intelligence is the ability to solve novel problems. IQ measures that ability very well. If you start training for IQ tests they stop being a good measure. But that doesn't improve your ability to solve novel problems.
I remember some IQ tests that included places in China. Shanghai, one of the richest (or richest cities) had a high ranking, but rural places in the same country were less, maybe by 10 points IIRC. Since we'd classify them as the same race, it suggests confounding effects related to wealth.
108 vs 101 — still higher than some richer countries.
are you really sure all genetic clusters self-identify with race?
99% for the blacks and whites in the US. You determine the number of clusters and they map very recognizably.
it means you have about 33% of normal and above IQs in that broad population.
~16%, if by normal you mean average white.
If we did want to do anything based on IQ, it would be best if we could have all individuals take an IQ test and then respond individually, letting the chips fall where they may.
Absolutely. But that is currently illegal.
I have no idea what this should motivate us to do, policy wise.
Doing less harm would be a good start, since some policies are based entirely on denial of race and sex differences. I think Charles Murray has policy suggestions in his books. Here are two YouTube interviews with him: 1, 2.
Good info and reasoning. Given the tendency for these topics to get derailed I've not seen some of these points before. I tend to think you're right, in general, but I do find it important to note exceptions on this topic.
This conversation reminds me of hearing that Norway and some other countries had declining IQ, which is obviously a motivational reason to pay attention to this field - to address my own question from before.
Just a comment on the genetic clustering pic linked, I am unsure the clusters shown are of a sufficient resolution to conclude anything. To clarify my earlier point, I wasn't doubting the conclusions of stronger similarity in racial groups for genetic markers, or something. I think within those groups there are subgroups that can vary within each other, probably a lot. Prior maps I've seen show big differences among European groups, yet here Europeans are almost almost identical. And nearly visually the same as Middle Eastern groups, such as with Palestinians. I did a quick search and the IQ there is 85 (couldn't get the peer reviewed(?) study by Lynn that came up on the search, so I'm assuming Quora and other sources are right atm).
Regardless, the link is the type of chart I'd expect from any broad genetics clustering attempt. That is, something that follows continental migrations, commonly known history, and racial groups. But it cannot exclude that there were different subclusters in these subclusters which has substantial variation. Something supporting this here.
To make an extreme example, let's say one of the subgroups from your link had a population isolated in an island that was founded with a high IQ lineage, and happened to continue in that direction (or we could say a dumb group -- may be easier to imagine). Such groups could not be visible in the type of link you showed, they'd be identical to whatever the nearest population is, unless you had a higher resolution examination. So I believe we can't exclude that intragroup variation interferes with racial generalizations, still.
Oh, you are absolutely right that racial groups are very crude and shouldn't be used when a better metric is available. But they are already used when assessing policing, education, hiring, housing.
I'm not advocating for writing race back into public policies. As you point out, it would be very unfair to some people. But naturally occurring group differences should be taken into consideration, and not as an evidence of unfairness. For example, racial profiling by police isn't bad overall. And schools would end up (mostly) racially segregated if you fairly segregate by ability. Some welfare policies lower selection pressure (all the way into the negative) and exacerbate the problems. A lot of corporate wokeness was initially driven by the legal threats.
I think within those groups there are subgroups that can vary within each other, probably a lot.
Of course. But the clustering refutes the leftist narrative that "races are social constructs". It shows that the stereotypical groups align with the best fit genetical grouping and geography. And they align much better than expected.
There are better clusters, where Middle East has distinct composition even at K=2. K2-7 and subsets, K7. But the IQ difference with Europe could be partially environmental.
Notice, that 1 SD difference in IQ (85 vs 100) is within the US. Sub-Saharan Africans score below 70. And 2nd generation immigrants to developed countries gain IQ.
Even if you pick out the outlier, a very, very well-mannered, intelligent person, your children are going to get genes that are closer to the average of the population / race, than the genetic-lottery-winning outlier
That's a misleading thing to say. First of all, how much the children will regress to the mean depends on the trait. For IQ with 0.6-0.8 heritability it'll be closer to the parents.
You'd also get a very poor estimation for a given couple if you use a race average. Family average would be much better due to assortative mating.
In practice I'd be very wary of high variance within the family, especially if you don't plan on having a lot of kids.
Blame the individual, the family, the relatives, the city, the race, the country ... - every single thing has their share. Although statistics do tell that race alone makes a gigantic difference, multiple times over. And this phenomenom can be seen from country to country, with almost identical ratios between races, so it's not just about the US and their "racism" or something like that
If she would have been beaten to death by her spouse who was also a mafia member, a gang-banger, a drug addict, a violent criminal, or some drunk, she would have been to blame in pretty much the same way: it was her own fault, her own bad judgement to be hanging around with those kind of people
If you want to be safe, select a safe spouse. Some dude with a PhD in mathematics might bore you to death, but probably not gonna beat you to death.
I have no problem with interracial couples. I'd give anyone a chance so long as they love God-what's so bad about that? Obviously this girl probably ignored hella red flags but to start out no one should be judged immediately.
Liberal White Women: Oh it's just love, he loves me and he's so cute and I feel so woke. ME: Beotch, he just wants to phuck you because you're white, how is that love? Oh, and he'll knock you up and then flee.
Here's some reality for you, son: go to court saying, "SURE I fucked up, but that race I don't like does it more!" You're a fucking idiot, of course. There is no acceptable quantity of crime. IDENTITY POLITICS, "white identity" politics included, is fake and gay. It's for half-wits, crybabies who need a racial excuse and losers who can't fix themselves. Snap the fuck out of it.
Hurts who??? YOU? It doesn't hurt me a damn bit. I'm off the charts white, from the whitest place you've ever seen, and I'm sure not a wife-beater. However, REALITY says that there is no ACCEPTABLE quantity of wife-beating. For example, going to court and saying "Sure, but blacks do it more." would be fucking retarded, of course.
You are more concerned with being a moon bat than accepting reality.there are definitely white wife beaters but we are talking based on statistics.it is only a moon bat that will go to court with a defence”blacks do it more”.
That's a mighty fast response you have there, identity politics faggot! Why not soak in for sixty seconds or so? Maybe you won't sound so fucking retarded when you come back.
lol Identity politics crybaby. You may as well cut off your little white dick and call your self a woman, while you're at it; you're just like them. Spamming your race won't make you more valuable; it just makes you a democrat faggot.
"I want to see you have a meltdown" I want to see your face splattered on the wall behind your scull, identity politics queer. We can all dream, little girl. 🤗
Hey hey hey now. I like my white women and give them respect. I once plced my arms under the armpits moved my gf away from me. And the fact that I was mad and even touched her i was so angry at myself right after i cried and felt so weak that i would even fall to that. Been working everyday on my communication skills since.
Don't play with the animals
You gotta pay the coal toll if you wanna...
This girl was really hot too. That picture doesn't do her justice. Hard to imagine that poor girl just coming out of high school hanging out with this animal. Where were the parents?
Regardless she was so incredibly far out of this guys league it hurts. What a fucking loser he is.
She is*
Probably encouraging her to be tolerant.
These young white girls are doing this in spite of their parents. They want to feel "bad" they want to make their parents "mad". This is what it is all about for these brainwashed social media idiots!
All These girls got daddy issues. So do Libs. It is all about daddy disciplining them, or wanting to take daddy away from mommy, or punishing their parents, ir being brainwashes in school. Its fucked up shit for sure.
"These young white girls are doing this ~to~
inspite of their parents. " FTFYIt’s not always to spite their parents, though it often is .
For many who grow up in the suburbs, Middle class or upper middle class, life is comfy but super fuckin boring.
School, sports, parties at houses. Same shit. Easy life. Parents think this is good, and to a point, it is.
Young adults or teenagers want...they need...more. They’re curious about the world outside of school, sexuality, they want more stimulation than they get from the comforts of modernity. People are wired to challenge themselves and modern life often undermines or impedes that.
So kids look for it wherever they find it. They are young and naive, and here you go.
She was probably a liberal girl with liberal parents.
It is just a real shame she had to pay the toll with her life.
'Mostly peaceful equity-fest'.
mostly peaceful break-up
mostly peaceful domestic dispute
Din du nuffin!
Daz ride!
She bleedin out!
"White girl bleed a lot"
wE wUz KaNgZ n SheeeeeeeT
This dude looks middle eastern, not black. Trafficking.
We waz kangz
So was he her ex-boyfriend before or after the murder?
She probably tried to leave him.
That's when they get nasty -- they can't handle rejection.
Domestic violence tends to escalate when you try to leave.
Speaking from experience...and the literature.
Did you ever see that old Farah Fawcett movie about the abused wife who defended herself from her crazy ex by poisoning him and then hog tying him up and puting him in the fireplace? He eventually sweet talked her into letting him go and she finally had to kill him. But, I mean, BOY! WHAT A MOVIE!
If I had a nickel for every time I was poisoned, then hog tied and dropped in a fireplace....
Some people pay good money for that
"The Burning Bed"
YES!
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0087010/
The Burning Bed. A TV movie created by a feminist jew.
Which only serves to validate the desire to leave.
Yes
Yes, black people have a higher level of physical violence than others in this country.
However, I have mixed heritage and my WASP ex-husband was extremely abusive. I'm lucky I'm alive right now.
Some people will kill you with their fists.
Others will blow up your car or put nails in your tires.
Just know the person you go out with -- and it's not too much to run a background check.
Where did this “WASP” bullshit come from?
From this user? A lifetime of identity problems associated with being stuck between worlds.
In general, it's been around since the fifties or sixties.
White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
The retarded thing about "WASP" is that the Angles and Saxon are but two tribes out of hundreds that contributed to white genetics in the Americas. It would be like calling black people Black Ubang-Mandinga Shamans. It's fucking stupid.
BUMS
I see what you did there
WASP is what they called a lot of white elites from New England who were Protestants and not Catholics or Jews, and who played golf at exclusive country clubs. The Harvard and Yale types.
It's been an acronym for ages, probably used more after non-WASP European immigration (Irish, Polish, Italian) boomed.
If I had to guess, white people did not label each other as whites. It was likely done by non whites, non Christians. Jews.
Around the era of Darwin there was a lot of pseudo science. There certainly wasn't amity between European states and people's based on similar skin tone. British elites didn't consider Italians or Spaniards as peers, but as "Continentals" to be wary of. The Irish as servants, Germans as Huns, etc etc.
WASP is likely the creation of a social "scientist".
Sadly, Darwin always has a say. Dont cause your own death for PC reasons.
Darwin called blacks the lowest on the evolutionary scale lol.
Trust the science!
Today in black history month...
BUUUWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
That was the hardest I have laughed since they stole the election Nov 3rd.
I thank you.
The most ironic month for this to happen.... Let's put this tragedy in the Trophy Case of BLM Achievements.
Lemme guess it's probably the girls fault. Cause of rayyyycisms. GFY virtue signalers.
It is the girls fault. She chose to associate with him.
She also made the choice to be unarmed.
Whore chose to be fucked like an animal is my guess
Burn the coal, Pay the toll $13.52
That’s the sale price for sure. Normal price is definitely closer to $13.75.
I think if split up in gender and age brackets, the effective sale price is more in the 2.73 to 5.73 range
I expect the price to rise further.
😂
He was just about to go back to get his GED and then to doctorology school. That white bitch was just taunting him with restraining orders to see how much he loved her. Daring him to break down her door to show her he couldn't be kept from her love.
LMAO
where are the feminists to report this crime.
WOMANLIVESMATTER
The same place they are when Muslim women get their clit cut off or gays get pushed off a roof. Nowhere to be found. Because Feminism is a big fucking hoax.
Colfax.
Boy, were they mad about this
He did nothing wrong according to BLM. LET THAT ONE SINK IN.
mudsharks and oil drillers , nothin new here
They’re always pushing black men / white women couples. I’m not against people loving who they want or advertisements reflecting all kinds of couple combos but it’s so obvious what they’re doing!
Black women are starting to get pissed off about it. I’ve seen lots of rage in the Twitter and YouTube comments of the mixed couple commercials. It’s funny, but I can’t blame them one bit. I have noticed more commercials showing low T white men with black women in the past year too.
He looks totally and completely sane and well put together.
The “well put together.” part killed me 😂😂🤣🤣
My moms friend was killed by her “baby daddy” too. She broke up with him and went over to his house to get the last of her belongings and he showed up, cut her throat , set the house on fire and then killed himself. I was a teen when it happened and it made a strong impact on how I chose my future relationships.
Black people hate you for your race.
Race relations have sure deteriorated since Obama was elected and the Dems decided to use identity politics to gain power and stir up trouble. Black and hispanic and minority unemployment were at record lows under Trump. Now watch them go back up again under Dems.
It's not just Obama, because this phenomenon is global.
Race relations deteriorated because (thanks to the internet) people were able to get access to crime stats and psychology and biology literature online. The Left realised their planned mixed-race utopia was under threat so they have since gone insane with race-mixing propaganda and affirmative action'ing their allies into positions of influence. Notice how they no longer debate the science and stats on race? Now they just go for straight up de-platforming.
This has red pilled even more people because it's so jarring to their experience of pre-2010. Even my normie wife now yells at the TV screen when she sees forced WFBM couples featured in the show she's watching and the majority of the ads.
Why the fuck are you even watching TV? There is nothing on except garbage!
Nah. It's just a big wave of retarded ideology that is getting more mainstream acceptance. The white hate is totally real but it's not something you can assign to an entire race. Can't help an anecdote. I lived in MI around Detroit most of my life, and keep wondering if there'll be some libtard friction to interrupt everyone getting along totally fine there. (I think we're totally behind the times rather than having some merit as a society, wokism will confuse people here). More simply, most black people are nice to me here, and given your extreme statement, my anecdote alone is enough to prove it wrong. Got hundreds of anecdotal counter examples to your point, and then there's people like Candace Owens, the Hodge twins... This is a stupid take, and the outright racist statement is ammunition to be used against patriots.win.
No doubt there are many who fiercely hate white people (some of every race, but wouldn't be surprised if it's higher with white liberals). But it's dumb to mirror the same type of hate. Tons of black people had nothing to do with this shit, but if they use your logic, they will hate you. Obviously you would know this, so, this feels pointless to write. The underlying concern is not unreasonable regarding racial hatred, and it's totally understandable to be paranoid at this point. Yet saying all black people hate you becomes a distraction from a real issue, IMO. A real issue that people indeed are targeting whites and mostly are shitheaded liberals plus some percent of old-fashioned racists.
The factors being low iq and low impulse control, the skin color is just a correlation
Correct. Sin color is meaningless. Indian Dravidians are dark-skinned, too, but they don’t act like blacks.
Why do most People think race= skin color? It is so retarded.
Let's see,
Actually no matter how extreme those may be, none of those things are excuses for a violent crime, especially the type in the OP. But it would be odd if it didn't increase the proportion of criminals within a society.
Yes, they believe their skin color is something to be proud of and also something they are oppressed for. It's a dumb thing to take pride in, but this is the reality we live under.
Like?
There is but the comment section is aids and don't want to talk about it because its easier to copy our enemies and engage in identity politics.
The easiest thing to do is to just recognize, and acknowledge reality instead of constantly trying to find ways to hide it while woke white simping, and coping.
https://patriots.win/p/GvToTT3p/psa-leading-causes-of-death--mal/c/
https://patriots.win/p/12hRCEaEd7/happy-black-history-month-frens-/
Conservatives are worse than Libtards on race. Libtards acknowledge race and lie about it while conservatives try to walk away from it.
That's a long way to say jews.
I agree that we shouldn't play into the obvious racial division card. They are pushing white supremacist narratives everywhere and it's obvious that racial animosity works against us.
It's easy to go down the wignat rabbit hole if you've been sheltered from the reality of minority violence and then discover you could spend literal days reading about the atrocities done to innocent white people of which there really is no inverse comparison. That's what the system wants though. It wants people to be either blissfully unaware and thus accepting of the minority victim narrative or to be prodded into a rage that can be used against them.
The solution is and always has been to define your in-group identity (Americans) and the identity of the out-group (Communists). It doesn't matter what racial lines make up those identities.
How can we put this into the heads of pedes here? I know it will take time but they have to stop running from this.
Yes they do, but I’m not falling for it. I’m also not willing to ignore reality either.
https://patriots.win/p/GvToTT3p/psa-leading-causes-of-death--mal/c/
https://patriots.win/p/12hRCEaEd7/happy-black-history-month-frens-/
Good to see a little sanity in here. It's like we're forgetting there are pedes of all races in here.
Unfortunately "genetic regression to the mean" is a real biological phenomenom
Even if you pick out the outlier, a very, very well-mannered, intelligent person, your children are going to get genes that are closer to the average of the population / race, than the genetic-lottery-winning outlier
That is why you ALWAYS have to consider populations, relatives, "race" and other things, in addition to the "individual"
The same goes with every single feature or trait. For example, professional athletes and olympians do not produce only olympians. That is because of genetic regression to the mean. The individual traits of a professional athlete might be caused by in a large part by genes, but are not nearly as much heretidary. The top individuals are just a product of genetic lottery. For example, Jordan's kids are not good, at all, in basketball. Gretzky's kids didn't succeed in hockey.
The logic is sound here, but I'm suspicious of the data on the topic and ability to make accurate assessments of these considerations. Mainly, I wonder about the population distribution getting sampled in IQ tests reflecting an entire race sufficiently, and reflecting possible subgroups. I've come across racial IQ literature links in convos like these before, but a lot of it seemed to come from a small sample. Like, compared to a modern clinical trial, the scale is way smaller, and even clinical trials end up missing various parts of the true population distribution in their sample. E.g., the city within a country tested probably has a gigantic influence. I'm inclined to believe this is a real barrier for drawing conclusions, because the numbers and SD given for groups on the bell curve seems to be highly variable from study to study.
On the topic, if we bring genetics into it, we wouldn't really be using race as something to connect to genetics. A scientific classification would probably be something like the mitochondria DNA of different population groups that yields tons of subgroups in race. There will be some overlap with population group associations and race associations, but it's really crude to lump all people of one color or continent together. This together implies there will be intraracial groups that can be exceptions, rather than only outlier individuals. That argues against racial generalization. Except in a case where the racial effect is extremely robust and strong, I suppose.
While I believe IQ measures something real that can be used to make predictions, that may just hold true at an individual level, given the limited data we have. Might be many other issues, given there are probable major confounding factors that co-associate with race. Frankly, I don't know real IQ tests enough to know whether they can compensate. Most of us in these conversations are only familiar with something like an IQ test you can get online and SATs (that are said to correlate well). Anyway, it would be nice if someone can address this point, but as I've heard IQ data does meet the best standards of psychology research, I'll ignore my concerns about the test for now.
"I wonder about the population distribution getting sampled in IQ tests reflecting an entire race sufficiently, and reflecting possible subgroups. "
If you believe the tests have too small samples, check out the statistics that correlate VERY strongly to IQ / intellectual success in general, and that have even the entire population as samples. Things like:
-SAT tests
-PISA tests
-education level
-income
-wealth (correlates better than income)
-crime statistics
Every single one of those tell the exact same story: there are differences between countries and races, and the differences are very similar to those that have been observed in the IQ studies (for example the adoption studies)
"On the topic, if we bring genetics into it, we wouldn't really be using race as something to connect to genetics"
Yes, we would. Even the AI's of computers have catogorized people of the world to races after getting the genomes of people around the world
"Race" is a very real thing. The genetic studies say so, and even about 99% of people themselves know very precisely which "race" they are, or which exact nation they belong to, even before getting a DNA test to find it out.
The genetic studies on intelligence have already found hundreds of genes linked to higher intelligence - and that those genes are found more often in the "races" that have been scoring higher in the IQ tests
So yes, "race" is real, the sample sizes are large enough, and the differences are partly due to real hereditary genetics (and not just due to the environment, poverity etc).
This of course does not mean some people should be given up on from the gate. But it does mean we shouldn't be wasting any resources trying to secure equality of outcomes
The "Kansas City school experiment" showed once and for all, that trying to destroy the IQ gap by throwing money & resources on the "problem" will not solve anything. Hundreds of millions were wasted, and the gap remained:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-03-27-me-51685-story.html
You can't really fill a bucket any more once it's already full.
Read "The Bell Curve". Seriously, read it.
The point is, the black-white IQ gap is huge (1 SD) even at a low resolution, so it shouldn't be ignored. While in reality public policies deny its existence and legally enforce racial quotas (four-fifths rule).
Genetic clusters and self-identified race align perfectly.
Go find a single one. The science deniers have been making up "possible issues" for over 100 years, without providing any evidence.
I've heard of The Bell Curve book when News of it getting censored despite being scientifically rigorous came out. I'm not denying IQ usefulness as an accurate predictor, just questioning how it is applied on large groups.
An example on your point below, some years ago I remember some IQ tests that included places in China. Shanghai, one of the richest (or richest cities) had a high ranking, but rural places in the same country were less, maybe by 10 points IIRC. Since we'd classify them as the same race, it suggests confounding effects related to wealth. Just to follow up, are you really sure all genetic clusters self-identify with race? Africa is a pretty huge place so I'd doubt there would be homogeneity in IQ or other characteristics. I hazily remember hearing around 10 years ago how Nigerians were the "most successful" immigrant group and had above average performance in school. I would guess that perhaps that group does not follow the same IQ trend as various other African populations.
I find it entirely rational that something like an IQ test to be influenced by experience, particularly education. There might be some ways to control for this by real tests, so you can inform if that's true. Otherwise looking to what I know from non-official IQ tests and SATs, I can say education experience should be a huge factor. Continuing with East Asian IQs which were recorded to be higher in the US and places like Japan/Hong Kong/Singapore, I think there are confounders in the US as well. My former Chinese colleagues almost all sent their kids to additional private schooling from when they're in elementary school, and I'm fairly confident they do more studying and teaching with their kids than in most other populations, on average. My guess is this confounder could be large, especially for younger ages, if that education has started.
I don't doubt the importance of a population having 1 SD difference, but I have no idea what this should motivate us to do, policy wise. If this is accurate, it means you have about 33% of normal and above IQs in that broad population. A minority, but still a ton of people. If we did want to do anything based on IQ, it would be best if we could have all individuals take an IQ test and then respond individually, letting the chips fall where they may.
Well, I've already commented in this thread, that you'd want to use a better predictor than racial average when considering regression to the mean in a particular couple. But it's still better than nothing.
Also nobody claims that IQ is 100% determined by the genes. The claim is that it's about 80% (of the variance in a given population) heritable in adults in developed countries. And the remaining 20% cannot be systematically influenced. That is, the effects of parental wealth and private schooling on IQ gradually disappear past puberty.
By definition, intelligence is the ability to solve novel problems. IQ measures that ability very well. If you start training for IQ tests they stop being a good measure. But that doesn't improve your ability to solve novel problems.
108 vs 101 — still higher than some richer countries.
99% for the blacks and whites in the US. You determine the number of clusters and they map very recognizably.
~16%, if by normal you mean average white.
Absolutely. But that is currently illegal.
Doing less harm would be a good start, since some policies are based entirely on denial of race and sex differences. I think Charles Murray has policy suggestions in his books. Here are two YouTube interviews with him: 1, 2.
Good info and reasoning. Given the tendency for these topics to get derailed I've not seen some of these points before. I tend to think you're right, in general, but I do find it important to note exceptions on this topic.
This conversation reminds me of hearing that Norway and some other countries had declining IQ, which is obviously a motivational reason to pay attention to this field - to address my own question from before.
Just a comment on the genetic clustering pic linked, I am unsure the clusters shown are of a sufficient resolution to conclude anything. To clarify my earlier point, I wasn't doubting the conclusions of stronger similarity in racial groups for genetic markers, or something. I think within those groups there are subgroups that can vary within each other, probably a lot. Prior maps I've seen show big differences among European groups, yet here Europeans are almost almost identical. And nearly visually the same as Middle Eastern groups, such as with Palestinians. I did a quick search and the IQ there is 85 (couldn't get the peer reviewed(?) study by Lynn that came up on the search, so I'm assuming Quora and other sources are right atm). Regardless, the link is the type of chart I'd expect from any broad genetics clustering attempt. That is, something that follows continental migrations, commonly known history, and racial groups. But it cannot exclude that there were different subclusters in these subclusters which has substantial variation. Something supporting this here.
To make an extreme example, let's say one of the subgroups from your link had a population isolated in an island that was founded with a high IQ lineage, and happened to continue in that direction (or we could say a dumb group -- may be easier to imagine). Such groups could not be visible in the type of link you showed, they'd be identical to whatever the nearest population is, unless you had a higher resolution examination. So I believe we can't exclude that intragroup variation interferes with racial generalizations, still.
Oh, you are absolutely right that racial groups are very crude and shouldn't be used when a better metric is available. But they are already used when assessing policing, education, hiring, housing.
I'm not advocating for writing race back into public policies. As you point out, it would be very unfair to some people. But naturally occurring group differences should be taken into consideration, and not as an evidence of unfairness. For example, racial profiling by police isn't bad overall. And schools would end up (mostly) racially segregated if you fairly segregate by ability. Some welfare policies lower selection pressure (all the way into the negative) and exacerbate the problems. A lot of corporate wokeness was initially driven by the legal threats.
Of course. But the clustering refutes the leftist narrative that "races are social constructs". It shows that the stereotypical groups align with the best fit genetical grouping and geography. And they align much better than expected.
https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.intell.2014.08.004 direct link
There are better clusters, where Middle East has distinct composition even at K=2. K2-7 and subsets, K7. But the IQ difference with Europe could be partially environmental.
Notice, that 1 SD difference in IQ (85 vs 100) is within the US. Sub-Saharan Africans score below 70. And 2nd generation immigrants to developed countries gain IQ.
That's a misleading thing to say. First of all, how much the children will regress to the mean depends on the trait. For IQ with 0.6-0.8 heritability it'll be closer to the parents.
You'd also get a very poor estimation for a given couple if you use a race average. Family average would be much better due to assortative mating.
In practice I'd be very wary of high variance within the family, especially if you don't plan on having a lot of kids.
Blame the individual, the family, the relatives, the city, the race, the country ... - every single thing has their share. Although statistics do tell that race alone makes a gigantic difference, multiple times over. And this phenomenom can be seen from country to country, with almost identical ratios between races, so it's not just about the US and their "racism" or something like that
If she would have been beaten to death by her spouse who was also a mafia member, a gang-banger, a drug addict, a violent criminal, or some drunk, she would have been to blame in pretty much the same way: it was her own fault, her own bad judgement to be hanging around with those kind of people
If you want to be safe, select a safe spouse. Some dude with a PhD in mathematics might bore you to death, but probably not gonna beat you to death.
agreed
Why not both? 🤷🏼♂️
Comments slowly turning into 4chan
yep
4chan = unapologetic truth.
Some people can't read.
WHATEVER THE REASON, HER JUDGEMENT WAS NOT SOUND. A TRAGEDY. SUCH A BEAUTIFUL YOUNG WOMAN.
Thank God. I thought it was just me seeing the forced interracial stuff in commercials/advertisements nowadays. I thought I was going crazy.
Take a look at the TV shows/movies from as recently as the 90s. HUGE difference.
Black white or whatever that dude just looks like a piece of shit
Burn the coal...
Burn the coal; pay the toll.
Arrested for murder? Sounds like institutional racism strikes again.
They should arrest whoever alerted the police. Don't they know what happens when the police are called on black people???
Future Rolling Stone cover convict, "How a popular, promising student was failed by his family ..."
It always works out great in fiction!
I have no problem with interracial couples. I'd give anyone a chance so long as they love God-what's so bad about that? Obviously this girl probably ignored hella red flags but to start out no one should be judged immediately.
“No one should be judged immediately.”
🤣
So suppress, and/ignore basic human survival instincts in order to not be a “racist”. 👌🏻
I like you.You're a liberal who ignores reality.
I'm a conservative who's not gonna jump on the asshole-bandwagon" so easily.
Once you go black....
This couldn't have happened because he doesn't possess the institutional power to oppress her.
Liberal White Women: Oh it's just love, he loves me and he's so cute and I feel so woke. ME: Beotch, he just wants to phuck you because you're white, how is that love? Oh, and he'll knock you up and then flee.
Here is a story with more pictures for those interested.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9268705/Ex-boyfriend-Colorado-teen-arrested-beating-death-apartment-complex-parking-lot.html
She was indeed beautiful. Her father and her society failed her in many ways.
Pretty sure there are a few white wife beaters, identity politics faggot.
Here's some reality for you, son: go to court saying, "SURE I fucked up, but that race I don't like does it more!" You're a fucking idiot, of course. There is no acceptable quantity of crime. IDENTITY POLITICS, "white identity" politics included, is fake and gay. It's for half-wits, crybabies who need a racial excuse and losers who can't fix themselves. Snap the fuck out of it.
It hurts but You can't escape the truth.
Hurts who??? YOU? It doesn't hurt me a damn bit. I'm off the charts white, from the whitest place you've ever seen, and I'm sure not a wife-beater. However, REALITY says that there is no ACCEPTABLE quantity of wife-beating. For example, going to court and saying "Sure, but blacks do it more." would be fucking retarded, of course.
You are more concerned with being a moon bat than accepting reality.there are definitely white wife beaters but we are talking based on statistics.it is only a moon bat that will go to court with a defence”blacks do it more”.
That's a mighty fast response you have there, identity politics faggot! Why not soak in for sixty seconds or so? Maybe you won't sound so fucking retarded when you come back.
Lol,faggot.
lol Identity politics crybaby. You may as well cut off your little white dick and call your self a woman, while you're at it; you're just like them. Spamming your race won't make you more valuable; it just makes you a democrat faggot.
Come to consumeproduct.win I want to see you have a meltdown you virtue signaling soy cuck
"I want to see you have a meltdown" I want to see your face splattered on the wall behind your scull, identity politics queer. We can all dream, little girl. 🤗
You’re mad that not all whites are self hating cucks. You are putting on quite the show
Unpopular opinion: people usually get the boyfriend/girlfriend/spouse that they deserve.
She had picked a real winner.
HER LIFE MATTERS!
Her family can NOW SUE every huge corporation that has biracial couples.
Got get 'em !!!
/s
Rip. Why so many white chicks hanging out with thugs? And where's her father? Too bad
Normalcy bias because of shit like this which are a dime a dozen now.
https://youtu.be/
Won't make the news
Have fun never eating steak again ....
In England, this would be zero jail time.
In that case, she threatened the elderly white woman, followed her, pushed her into the bus driving by, and no punishment at all.
This should've been a DGU. No one should have to die because you(the suspect) have poor impulse control.
It’s part and parcel. RESPEK HIS CULT CHA BIGOT!!!
Hate to see it. Not really though.
Those are just called commercials nowadays.
You burn the coal you pay the toll...
Hey hey hey now. I like my white women and give them respect. I once plced my arms under the armpits moved my gf away from me. And the fact that I was mad and even touched her i was so angry at myself right after i cried and felt so weak that i would even fall to that. Been working everyday on my communication skills since.
Shruggs
If you mingle with these sorts of people than frankly you had it coming~
Natural selection doing its thing.