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DeplorableSpic3 -3 points ago +3 / -6

Cicero was killed by a stronger soldier and although his writings live ... his effect on the politics of his time was null

If you give me a choice between power and smarts ... power always wins ... 9/10

Smart might get you a statue but power makes the world turn

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UnemployedMarx [S] 12 points ago +12 / -0

Agreed. Now combine smarts and power together and you have dominance. Cicero was not wrong in this quote but I agree if you truly study him, he wasn't entirely right in all regards and he paid the price for it. But he's still smarter than 99.99% of people living today.

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DeplorableSpic3 0 points ago +7 / -7

That’s just a long way of saying that I’m right ... don’t be fooled about being right or speaking pretty words

If you learn nothing else from the history you’re living, learn this:

The only thing it matters is who counts the votes, who interprets the words, who enforced the law ... everything else is dead letter

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UnemployedMarx [S] 9 points ago +9 / -0

Okay Stalin, I'll remember that. Except... he died and so did his nation... Could be a little more to it?

I appreciate your might is right angle but there's more to success than might alone. The Christians for example are a historic example of people who gained significant influence without actually being a part of votes, words or law. Christians live on today where as Rome is dead for example. You're mostly right but not entirely.

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this_mortal_coil 4 points ago +4 / -0

I agree with this. Thought always precedes action. To reduce the whole world into power dynamics is to play the Marxist game. Power is a huge factor, but without ideas, good or bad, that power doesn't last very long.

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DeplorableSpic3 -3 points ago +3 / -6

Your opinion or my opinion is irrelevant, reality doesn’t care, you ignore the mechanisms of civilization at your own peril.

Mamby pamby land < reality

Christians were massacred for centuries until they gained enough political and military power to have a influence in first the senate and then on the emperor himself ...

The stupid story about Constantine converting after a revelation... it’s just ancient world political propaganda by the Roman empire’s CNN... he converted because it was a smart political move and he needed the now militarily powerful Christian nations to expand the Roman Empire.

Stalin lived and died in power for most of his life ... I think he known more about political power than a lawyer killed in a política purge ... one ruled and the other not ... I know it sucks ... but whining at reality never altered history.

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jennyfrutex 0 points ago +1 / -1

This is a beautiful illustration of the mindset of a tyrant.

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DeplorableSpic3 0 points ago +1 / -1

History is filled with forgotten self righteous saints that didn’t accomplished anything ... perhaps they could’ve stopped the tyrants if they knew how the game of power is actually played

Ask any conquered nation if being honorable saved them from slavery or genocide?