Poland is not based, it is Janus-faced. Poles have criminalized anyone accusing Poles of being responsible for the actions taken against Jews during the Holocaust, insisting that Poles were victims of the Nazis, therefore you can't say of Auschwitz, for example, that is a "Polish death camp". Yet Poles WERE complicit in the willful mass murder of Jews, and before the Nazis had dominated the country. For example, research the history of the massacre at Jedwabne. Horrifying stuff. The town people murdered all of their Jewish neighbors. They held a town meeting the night before with their mayor (and a small coterie of Nazis present), wanting to get rid of business competitors, wanting to steal their property and possessions, and wanting to fulfill centuries of Roman Catholic vitriol against the Jews. THEY asked the Nazis if they could murder ALL their Jewish neighbors, instead of leaving one alive in each trade. THEY rounded up children and babies with PITCHFORKS speared through them and burned them alive, hacked old people to death, drowned and threw off precipices women, sickly persons, etc. THEY got word out and people came from neighboring areas to take part or watch for entertainment or steal. Then THEY washed the blood off themselves, got drunk to celebrate, and went to church services the very next day. Revolting. Poland is not for free speech which impugnes Poland's character or which challenges it's official narrative, which is a lie.
So basically you're saying blah blah blah, the Polish should not be allowed to be patriotic.
Jesus, I hear the same sort of crap spouted daily about Americans and their atrocities towards American Indians, black slaves, Chinese and Irish workers, internment camps for the Japanese, the syphilis experiments on unsuspecting black people, the native Hawaiians, the handling of the leprosy colony there, and countless other atrocities. Throw in every atrocity ever committed by every country in the world and you'll never make your way out of the library ever again. Patriotism is about being proud of what your country does right and fighting tooth and claw to keep it on the right path. What it's not about is letting the bad keep you from having the pride in your country that's necessary to make it great when it slips, and to keep it great if it's in a good place.
If I weren't so against sweeping government control over things it has no authority over, I wouldn't mind a little criminalizing of a lot of the narratives psycho leftists like to spout. Maybe then we wouldn't be losing so much of our history to crazy people thinking pulling down statues and burning books will somehow rectify the fact that their lives have been ruined by people insisting they're victims and therefore incapable of amounting to anything more than caterwauling banshees. But I'm not okay with that level of government control, which is probably why my side seems to be losing against the people willing to give their government that control. People unwilling to use force to protect their freedoms tend to be thumped by people who are willing to use force, and that's simply an obnoxious fact. I have also always lived in a country that's been free (or had the illusion of it), and has afforded a level of comfort and leisure to its citizenry unimagined in almost any other county and time period you could have picked. Who knows what I'd choose to do if I had to live in Poland during German occupation and Russian occupation, during a time when you could wait hours and days and weeks at grocery stores trying not to starve while your children go to schools where they were forced to learn Russian and to forget everything it meant to be Polish at the risk of being disciplined, harshly. Who knows? But I'll bet one of the first things I'd do after being able to cast off the invaders and reclaim pride in my country is to try to put in place safeguards for renewing and preserving Polish patriotism.
There are many Polish who survived Hell without engaging in the crap you're attributing to them, just like I've never owned slaves, nor even had American ancestors who owned slaves. But I still get asshats telling me I have no right to feel patriotic when a minority of my country at one point in time owned some people. I get asshats telling me I have no right to feel pride in my culture because I don't sport a tan every day of the freaking year. Because the multitude of cultures that come under the umbrella of "whiteness" happened to have been so successful that I can't compete with this whole "rooting for the underdog" mania that has gripped so much of the world, so now I am getting kicked for it.
The world is full of suck, dude. Give credit where credit is due and move on.
Poland is not based, it is Janus-faced. Poles have criminalized anyone accusing Poles of being responsible for the actions taken against Jews during the Holocaust, insisting that Poles were victims of the Nazis, therefore you can't say of Auschwitz, for example, that is a "Polish death camp". Yet Poles WERE complicit in the willful mass murder of Jews, and before the Nazis had dominated the country. For example, research the history of the massacre at Jedwabne. Horrifying stuff. The town people murdered all of their Jewish neighbors. They held a town meeting the night before with their mayor (and a small coterie of Nazis present), wanting to get rid of business competitors, wanting to steal their property and possessions, and wanting to fulfill centuries of Roman Catholic vitriol against the Jews. THEY asked the Nazis if they could murder ALL their Jewish neighbors, instead of leaving one alive in each trade. THEY rounded up children and babies with PITCHFORKS speared through them and burned them alive, hacked old people to death, drowned and threw off precipices women, sickly persons, etc. THEY got word out and people came from neighboring areas to take part or watch for entertainment or steal. Then THEY washed the blood off themselves, got drunk to celebrate, and went to church services the very next day. Revolting. Poland is not for free speech which impugnes Poland's character or which challenges it's official narrative, which is a lie.
So basically you're saying blah blah blah, the Polish should not be allowed to be patriotic.
Jesus, I hear the same sort of crap spouted daily about Americans and their atrocities towards American Indians, black slaves, Chinese and Irish workers, internment camps for the Japanese, the syphilis experiments on unsuspecting black people, the native Hawaiians, the handling of the leprosy colony there, and countless other atrocities. Throw in every atrocity ever committed by every country in the world and you'll never make your way out of the library ever again. Patriotism is about being proud of what your country does right and fighting tooth and claw to keep it on the right path. What it's not about is letting the bad keep you from having the pride in your country that's necessary to make it great when it slips, and to keep it great if it's in a good place.
If I weren't so against sweeping government control over things it has no authority over, I wouldn't mind a little criminalizing of a lot of the narratives psycho leftists like to spout. Maybe then we wouldn't be losing so much of our history to crazy people thinking pulling down statues and burning books will somehow rectify the fact that their lives have been ruined by people insisting they're victims and therefore incapable of amounting to anything more than caterwauling banshees. But I'm not okay with that level of government control, which is probably why my side seems to be losing against the people willing to give their government that control. People unwilling to use force to protect their freedoms tend to be thumped by people who are willing to use force, and that's simply an obnoxious fact. I have also always lived in a country that's been free (or had the illusion of it), and has afforded a level of comfort and leisure to its citizenry unimagined in almost any other county and time period you could have picked. Who knows what I'd choose to do if I had to live in Poland during German occupation and Russian occupation, during a time when you could wait hours and days and weeks at grocery stores trying not to starve while your children go to schools where they were forced to learn Russian and to forget everything it meant to be Polish at the risk of being disciplined, harshly. Who knows? But I'll bet one of the first things I'd do after being able to cast off the invaders and reclaim pride in my country is to try to put in place safeguards for renewing and preserving Polish patriotism.
There are many Polish who survived Hell without engaging in the crap you're attributing to them, just like I've never owned slaves, nor even had American ancestors who owned slaves. But I still get asshats telling me I have no right to feel patriotic when a minority of my country at one point in time owned some people. I get asshats telling me I have no right to feel pride in my culture because I don't sport a tan every day of the freaking year. Because the multitude of cultures that come under the umbrella of "whiteness" happened to have been so successful that I can't compete with this whole "rooting for the underdog" mania that has gripped so much of the world, so now I am getting kicked for it.
The world is full of suck, dude. Give credit where credit is due and move on.