This isn’t a vote, this is a signature gathering drive. Many people signed this petition at a grocery store or street corner who signed on the wrong piece of paper (signatures are separated by region and must be turned in to the correct place), signed with a different address than they are registered at (usually accidentally), signed more than once (vols collecting signatures asked them to sign again to make sure it was counted) and there are a million other things that could go wrong.
45% is a high rejection rate, which points to, usually, poor training of staff and volunteers collecting signatures, but it’s not unheard of. I’ve participated in initiative petition and recall petitions in a number of states and a normal rejection rate is 20-25%.
To be clear: I’m not saying fraud didn’t happen, and I’m not saying valid signatures weren’t rejected. However, this is apples and oranges.
Getting dems into power -- no proof needed. Getting them out -- extreme proof needed and will not be accepted.
You do realize to vote in California you need zero information, zero ID, just a name? Yet to remove a Dem politician you need to prove everything and still mass rejections.
The mail-in ballots for 2020 election had basically zero verification done.
Nearly the same thing happened for the ultimately unsuccessful Walker recall in WI, their rejection rate, was either 27 or 33%, I was following it closely because I was working on something else in the state.
And I realize that CA should have more stringent election protection measure, but this isn’t an election and you can’t compare it to that. Every scribbled signature next to a hand written address has to be manually deciphered and checked against the voter file.
I did one training on one proposition in CA, so I’m much less familiar with the ins and outs of the process in that state, but in others, it’s incredibly tedious for everyone involved and there are so many ways to make a mistake depending on how they are validated.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there is a case we can make that the rejection rate is suspiciously high, like, Kanye for President-level suspiciously high. He had the same issue of hiring the wrong firms and them doing shoddy work.
I’d also like to see both the percentage rejected and raw number of signatures gathered by county. Urban areas, with a more mobile population and many more non-resident visitors tend to certify at slightly lower rates, but if Alameda is certifying at 20% and Orange or Modesto at 90%, then something shady happened.
The difference of standards. For example, if Trump were the governor of California, do you think the powers to be would do a signature verification on the recall votes?
But it’s not votes. In order to have an election, the recall movement has to gather completely unverified signatures from the public, usually in public areas. Heck, as far as we knew Dems were signing them with intentionally fake names to make the organizers think they had more sigs than they actually did.
Then there is all of the errors that happen in getting signatures to the right places. If I accidentally turn in 100 signatures to San Bernardino instead of San Clemente, all 100 of those go straight in the trash and count for the denominator.
And yes, look at every recall petition and ballot measure in state history, they are all likely north of 20% rejection rate. The organizers know this going in.
It’s two separate issues and conflating them makes us look like we don’t know what is going on.
I’m not saying it’s not a bit odd, that is a really high rejection rate, but it’s closer to 80% higher than expected, not a few hundred percent Higher.
Yeah it's normal. The stupid shit people put on the 2003 recall petition (I worked in an office receiving direct mail and paid gatherer petitions) holy shit. County: North (Idiots from San Diego) and County: USA... so... freaking... many...
My favorite was when people would just stuff cash into the envelope because they hated Gray Davis so much. Literally gobs of cash. It was a reporting nightmare, but the passion and enthusiasm was hard to deny.
It is starting to feel like that passion and momentum exists with this one too. I'm not in the biz any more but I hope it is. I've gotten everyone I can imagine to sign the damn thing. And unlike most retards in California, I know how to fill the damn thing out properly!
SOmeone said if you went outside your small little box for your info, they are throwing out the entire sheet of 30 or whatever names on it, why the rejection rate is so high, 1 accidental outside the box bye bye 30 signatures.
This isn’t a vote, this is a signature gathering drive. Many people signed this petition at a grocery store or street corner who signed on the wrong piece of paper (signatures are separated by region and must be turned in to the correct place), signed with a different address than they are registered at (usually accidentally), signed more than once (vols collecting signatures asked them to sign again to make sure it was counted) and there are a million other things that could go wrong.
45% is a high rejection rate, which points to, usually, poor training of staff and volunteers collecting signatures, but it’s not unheard of. I’ve participated in initiative petition and recall petitions in a number of states and a normal rejection rate is 20-25%.
To be clear: I’m not saying fraud didn’t happen, and I’m not saying valid signatures weren’t rejected. However, this is apples and oranges.
Why is this stickied?
Getting dems into power -- no proof needed. Getting them out -- extreme proof needed and will not be accepted.
You do realize to vote in California you need zero information, zero ID, just a name? Yet to remove a Dem politician you need to prove everything and still mass rejections.
The mail-in ballots for 2020 election had basically zero verification done.
RIGGED
Tap. Rack. Bang.
Nearly the same thing happened for the ultimately unsuccessful Walker recall in WI, their rejection rate, was either 27 or 33%, I was following it closely because I was working on something else in the state.
And I realize that CA should have more stringent election protection measure, but this isn’t an election and you can’t compare it to that. Every scribbled signature next to a hand written address has to be manually deciphered and checked against the voter file.
I did one training on one proposition in CA, so I’m much less familiar with the ins and outs of the process in that state, but in others, it’s incredibly tedious for everyone involved and there are so many ways to make a mistake depending on how they are validated.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there is a case we can make that the rejection rate is suspiciously high, like, Kanye for President-level suspiciously high. He had the same issue of hiring the wrong firms and them doing shoddy work.
I’d also like to see both the percentage rejected and raw number of signatures gathered by county. Urban areas, with a more mobile population and many more non-resident visitors tend to certify at slightly lower rates, but if Alameda is certifying at 20% and Orange or Modesto at 90%, then something shady happened.
The difference of standards. For example, if Trump were the governor of California, do you think the powers to be would do a signature verification on the recall votes?
Remember, EVERY vote counts.
But it’s not votes. In order to have an election, the recall movement has to gather completely unverified signatures from the public, usually in public areas. Heck, as far as we knew Dems were signing them with intentionally fake names to make the organizers think they had more sigs than they actually did.
Then there is all of the errors that happen in getting signatures to the right places. If I accidentally turn in 100 signatures to San Bernardino instead of San Clemente, all 100 of those go straight in the trash and count for the denominator.
And yes, look at every recall petition and ballot measure in state history, they are all likely north of 20% rejection rate. The organizers know this going in.
It’s two separate issues and conflating them makes us look like we don’t know what is going on.
I’m not saying it’s not a bit odd, that is a really high rejection rate, but it’s closer to 80% higher than expected, not a few hundred percent Higher.
Yeah it's normal. The stupid shit people put on the 2003 recall petition (I worked in an office receiving direct mail and paid gatherer petitions) holy shit. County: North (Idiots from San Diego) and County: USA... so... freaking... many...
My favorite was when people would just stuff cash into the envelope because they hated Gray Davis so much. Literally gobs of cash. It was a reporting nightmare, but the passion and enthusiasm was hard to deny.
It is starting to feel like that passion and momentum exists with this one too. I'm not in the biz any more but I hope it is. I've gotten everyone I can imagine to sign the damn thing. And unlike most retards in California, I know how to fill the damn thing out properly!
Because they just wiped out nearly half the people who signed the petition? This is a fraud and the powers that be protecting their own.
SOmeone said if you went outside your small little box for your info, they are throwing out the entire sheet of 30 or whatever names on it, why the rejection rate is so high, 1 accidental outside the box bye bye 30 signatures.