This isn’t a vote, this is a signature gathering drive. Many people signed this petition at a grocery store or street corner who signed on the wrong piece of paper (signatures are separated by region and must be turned in to the correct place), signed with a different address than they are registered at (usually accidentally), signed more than once (vols collecting signatures asked them to sign again to make sure it was counted) and there are a million other things that could go wrong.
45% is a high rejection rate, which points to, usually, poor training of staff and volunteers collecting signatures, but it’s not unheard of. I’ve participated in initiative petition and recall petitions in a number of states and a normal rejection rate is 20-25%.
To be clear: I’m not saying fraud didn’t happen, and I’m not saying valid signatures weren’t rejected. However, this is apples and oranges.
Getting dems into power -- no proof needed. Getting them out -- extreme proof needed and will not be accepted.
You do realize to vote in California you need zero information, zero ID, just a name? Yet to remove a Dem politician you need to prove everything and still mass rejections.
The mail-in ballots for 2020 election had basically zero verification done.
Nearly the same thing happened for the ultimately unsuccessful Walker recall in WI, their rejection rate, was either 27 or 33%, I was following it closely because I was working on something else in the state.
And I realize that CA should have more stringent election protection measure, but this isn’t an election and you can’t compare it to that. Every scribbled signature next to a hand written address has to be manually deciphered and checked against the voter file.
I did one training on one proposition in CA, so I’m much less familiar with the ins and outs of the process in that state, but in others, it’s incredibly tedious for everyone involved and there are so many ways to make a mistake depending on how they are validated.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there is a case we can make that the rejection rate is suspiciously high, like, Kanye for President-level suspiciously high. He had the same issue of hiring the wrong firms and them doing shoddy work.
I’d also like to see both the percentage rejected and raw number of signatures gathered by county. Urban areas, with a more mobile population and many more non-resident visitors tend to certify at slightly lower rates, but if Alameda is certifying at 20% and Orange or Modesto at 90%, then something shady happened.
This isn’t a vote, this is a signature gathering drive. Many people signed this petition at a grocery store or street corner who signed on the wrong piece of paper (signatures are separated by region and must be turned in to the correct place), signed with a different address than they are registered at (usually accidentally), signed more than once (vols collecting signatures asked them to sign again to make sure it was counted) and there are a million other things that could go wrong.
45% is a high rejection rate, which points to, usually, poor training of staff and volunteers collecting signatures, but it’s not unheard of. I’ve participated in initiative petition and recall petitions in a number of states and a normal rejection rate is 20-25%.
To be clear: I’m not saying fraud didn’t happen, and I’m not saying valid signatures weren’t rejected. However, this is apples and oranges.
Why is this stickied?
Getting dems into power -- no proof needed. Getting them out -- extreme proof needed and will not be accepted.
You do realize to vote in California you need zero information, zero ID, just a name? Yet to remove a Dem politician you need to prove everything and still mass rejections.
The mail-in ballots for 2020 election had basically zero verification done.
Nearly the same thing happened for the ultimately unsuccessful Walker recall in WI, their rejection rate, was either 27 or 33%, I was following it closely because I was working on something else in the state.
And I realize that CA should have more stringent election protection measure, but this isn’t an election and you can’t compare it to that. Every scribbled signature next to a hand written address has to be manually deciphered and checked against the voter file.
I did one training on one proposition in CA, so I’m much less familiar with the ins and outs of the process in that state, but in others, it’s incredibly tedious for everyone involved and there are so many ways to make a mistake depending on how they are validated.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there is a case we can make that the rejection rate is suspiciously high, like, Kanye for President-level suspiciously high. He had the same issue of hiring the wrong firms and them doing shoddy work.
I’d also like to see both the percentage rejected and raw number of signatures gathered by county. Urban areas, with a more mobile population and many more non-resident visitors tend to certify at slightly lower rates, but if Alameda is certifying at 20% and Orange or Modesto at 90%, then something shady happened.