Yeah, the linked PDF definitely makes no allusions to preventing Texas from generating any power ahead of the storm by going outside EPA standards.
I don't think this is ERCOT's way of shifting blame, this sounds more like a knee-jerk from people who didn't take the time to actually read the documents in question lumped in with a click-bait headline.
We like to call libruls stupid here, but they are quite clever with words.
Of course they arent going to explicitly say Texas can ignore air quality regulations during an emergency, they just make the conditions to qualify for the exemption not possible to meet.
That's what the conversation here is about.
Interpreing this is like looking at the forest instead of each individual tree.
But you still have to interpret it. Words have meaning, and that is what will come into play in any kind of legal battle over this. This document basically gives them an out, where they can say something like "We made this suggestion based on projections given to us by our experts and did not expect the situation to worsen like it did". It's plausible deniability, and it is something you have to get through if you genuinely expect any problem similar to this (i.e. election fraud) to actually get solved.
No it didn't, and since your reading comprehension sucks, let me explain.
Texas said, "Hey we have a one time emergency and need to increase energy output. It might put us above the environmental limits set for regular usage, but we need to increase this temporarily, for a couple days, to keep damage to a minimum. Since even that might not be enough."
DoE replied with: "Oh noooo that sucks, and indeed looks like an emergency, but the climate comes first, so you cant go over it right now, but when it already is an emergency, we * might * let you go over the limit just a bit, for 6000% the cost of what it would normally be. Maybe. You're welcome."
ERCOT shall exhaust all reasonably and practically available resources, including available imports
any Specified Resource ... is only allowed to exceed any such limit during a period for which ERCOT has declared an Energy Emergency Alert (EEA) Level 2 or Level 3. This incremental amount of restricted capacity would be offered at a price no lower than $1,500/MWh.
Basically, they must import power at exorbitant prices beforehand and the grid must already be failing before they are allowed to spin up extra production, and that production must be priced at a point that can bankrupt normal people for running the heating overnight. The order says "Ercot can do what they need to do (but actually they can't, because environment)."
I'm sure that physically they would be capable of doing so. But, power "utility" companies are pseudo government agencies, full of the same people that the government bureaucracies are full of, they won't ever stick their neck out.
I'm sure that the PR teams, lawyers, and strategists on both sides are working around the clock to figure out how to spin both lies and truth to their advantage. This will surely be a dominant subject for a few more days to come, and we will learn a lot more in that time.
Hindsight is 20/20. I think there's no way to predict that it would go this bad until it does, and if you take measures outside the law and everything goes just fine you get in trouble for breaking the law, because no one can really know for sure whether you needed to have done that or not. Or, even if you can know for sure, you can still be crucified anyway because the left can simply lie and ruin you anyway.
You can make a rocket stove with tin cans. That will heat at least one room, give you hot water (melt snow), and give you something to cook on. Just don't burn down the house.
Only a crisis - actual or perceived - produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around. That, I believe, is our basic function: to develop alternatives to existing policies, to keep them alive and available until the politically impossible becomes the politically inevitable.
Eh. Got a few more months before the next “cat 19561529” hurricane that’s gonna wipe Florida off the map.
Tho seeing how the federal government refused to do anything about this storm just strengthened the resolve of those who think “can’t depend on the fed for sh—.”
Have to wait until summer for that. Then they can knock out power and kill people from the heat. "It's going to be a looong dark summer" - Joe probably.
It's the same algorithm that lines up your Hulu shows. "We see you enjoyed RuPauls' Drag Race, so we cast a democrat vote for you as a time saving service!"
More like “we see you’ve never watched Ru Paul’s drag race, so we will continue to put Ru Paul’s drag race on your recommended list until you watch it bigot”
I've never understood thos algorithms. Guess it's just proof that we are all individuals but they are never even close to the things I watch. I think it's more like, hey here is what we want you to watch now because you aren't getting a good enough diet of it. Netflix I just had to cancel.
Because I've gone to Caribbean dive resorts in the past, I get a lot of ads for Caribbean dive resorts. The problem is, there's one resort in particular that I get spam from nonstop. I'll never go to this resort because the keep dolphins captive, but the algorithm can't figure out that spamming me with an ad for a place I hate is only going to motivate me to recruit others to my view of that resort.
I could be nice and tell the resort to quit wasting their money on counter-productive ads, but they deserve what they don't get.
When I was young, I used to get a lot of targeted ads in Arabic trying to sell me boner pills. I read some weird shit on the internet, I know. But to say I was the opposite of their target demographic is almost an understatement.
About that same time, P&G did a big ad buy for family stuff, mostly baby but also just health stuff in general. I mean big ad buy: everyone got these ads, they were just put all over the internet for everyone period. There were a few products I didn't realize existed, and I bought them.
... Just sayin' to any ad guys here: that's how bad it was 10 years ago, and it's only gotten worse.
yeah, Ted Cruz. What do they think he is supposed to do? Pass a bill in the DC congress outlawing freezing temperatures? Hes not the TX governor. He isnt one of those governors that pass a COVID rights removal bill then disregard it themselves.
I cant tell if these people are bad actors or knowingly putting up bad faith criticisms.
They still blame him. They've gotten everything they wanted and they still can't shut up about Trump. This proves that TDS was real all along and even far worse than we ever imagined.
Nothing. He's a demoralizer. Every single one of his comments is designed to kill our morale and prevent our taking any action. We need to dogpile that deport button until the mods finally uncuck themselves for one minute and ban him for good.
It's not killing my morale. It is derailing all conversations that might lead to something productive. If you really want things to get better and you're not a shill, (which I doubt, but who knows) try shutting up when the conversation turns to that topic.
I must be actually insane because I’m witnessing the United States being stolen by criminals and Americans aren’t doing anything about it but posting on Internet forums.
What? The DOE is authorizing ERCOT to generate above environmental quality limits to produce emergency power on 2/14-2/19. It didn’t matter, there still wasn’t enough gen. Read the fucking document.
There was an executive order of Obama's that Trump overrode with another or repealed. Biden re enacted it and also gave China access to our power grid again!
Basically, If Texas ramps up power BEFORE buying from outside states, more green power, the power people are committing FELONIES. The power from outside states is up to 10,000 percent!! And it takes up to a WEEK to ramp up power
They are trying to kill us, wake up!!!!
It authorized them, then immediately hamstrung them by forcing them to set arbitrary hours for extra generation. This isn't like summer where you know temps will drop after sunset, it was cold all day here. They then had to request extra power on an individual basis for every instance not inside those hours, basically asking for more power after a blackout.
They really didn't authorize it, they authorize it under very limited conditions that made it practically impossible. Basically, Ercot has to import power at whatever price the sellers want, and wasn't allowed to increase power production beyond environmental limits unless the power grid was already failing.
Which it was. Neighboring ISO (SPP) still massive discount to ERCOT prices. I am in the wholesale power business and understand this shit way better than anyone else here, trust me. This is nothing.
No. The DC ties from SPP were maxed out for the duration. The DC ties from Mexico did not flow in because ERCOT banned gas exports which blacked out northern Mexico. There was no more gen running in ERCOT that was available, prices were so incredibly high that even the tiniest generator would have made a killing. The problem was mainly that gas supply was not available due to frozen wellheads.
I believe you are in the industry and probably know a lot better than I do, but this situation really doesn't make sense to me. The limitations of needing to declare emergencies (which I do not know the specifics of but I'm sure it isn't just a The-Office-esque "I DECLARE EMERGENCY" being yelled out the window), having to buy outside power, and having to radically overcharge for over generation had no real effect? I don't understand why, if they wanted full power generation to be available to save lives, they wouldn't just say "for these 5 days lets not worry about a few tenths of a percent extra emissions on the year, go ahead and run full bore right out the gate." Why instead did the whole order read like it was 100% about telling them how and when they cannot run over the enviro regs? I guess it is plausible that even had they said "go ahead and run full bore" it still would have ended up this way, but when it does end up this way hindsight certainly puts into perspective that they care more about insignificantly increased gas emissions than they do about immediate threats to people's lives. I mean, the order literally says "if you end up having to deliver power over your enviro quotas, you have to charge people $1500/mwh." I mean, you're in a situation where people can't heat their homes and the federal government is arbitrarily price gouging to curtail usage? WTF is that about?
It wasn’t even close to enough. They ran everything they had. There were problems with wind gen but it paled in comparison to the problems with gas production and distribution.
Wow. Do you think anything could have been done differently, or was this just unavoidable given the current state of energy production in the state? Do you think it'd have been avoidable had the money spent on wind and solar over the past 30 years been spent on gas, coal, or nuclear?
If I were in charge and the weather report warned of a 30 year storm I would have a plan in place to ramp up generation and buy from elsewhere. It would have been that easy. It seems like maybe you don't yet accept that we are living in a dictatorship. The sooner we accept that the sooner we will see things how they really are.
DOE is authorizing ERCOT to generate above environmental quality
So what. The damage is already done and the message already clearly sent. DOE allowing this is them telling you, "so you want to play along now or not" as they drizzle you some sugar from the honeypot.
The good news is all the deaths were libtards. The state got a week’s notice, and the smart people (MAGA types) would have known to stock up, and know how to take care of themselves. This whole thing is overblown—only the people depending on government handouts suffered more than just being a little chilly for a few days.
This 100%. We lost power for like 10 minutes and spent a few hours figuring out how to thaw the pipes at our new home. The trick is to not live inside the borders of Dallas, Houston, or Austin.
The waivers only applied when the grid fails (Level 2 and 3) and any power purchased before or after MUST be sold at $1500/MWH, which is insane. It's government-mandated price-gouging.
The order shows Acting Energy Secretary David Huizenga did not waive environmental restrictions to allow for maximum energy output, instead ordering ERCOT to utilize all resources in order to stay within acceptable emissions standards – including purchasing energy from outside the state.
I've been saying this since day one. These fuckers are so predictable at this point that I have basically been calling everything long before it happens for years. Not because I am smart but because they are so predictably corrupt and destructive. I knew for a fact at the first report that this was a message to Texans by a dictator. This is tyranny and I expect tyrants to do what they do so I can always call it. The guess work is all over folks, tyranny is here.
The fact that any state needs to ask the federal government to increase energy output is insane. If I were governor everything would have been running full bore and I’d deal with the consequences afterwards.
Fuck ERCOT. What's the point of having your own non-federally regulated grid if it's run by faggots from out of state who suck commie dick and take orders from Biden?
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS TO EVERYONE CLAIMING IT WAS ONLY A STATE FAILURE. IDIOTS ON HERE DECIDED TO DOWNVOTE AND ARGUE WITH ME INSTEAD.
Just read on Jim Stone http://82.221.129.208 that Texas formally asked the DOE to increase output by 4 gigawatts, the DOE replied by reducing output by 30 gigawatts.
The Dems are out to get Texas. Florida be warned.
It's still Abbot's fault because he sat there and pouted and let people die instead of fighting for the people of Texas. He's a bitch, but hes the bitch you keep voting for. I keep hearing about how tough Texas is but now I just see a bunch of guys shivering in the cold while the government laughs at them.
We voted for Abbott because the alternatives were worse. However, his next election I have my eyes on Holsome. Secondly, you've got it wrong like so many. Texans shivering in the cold isn't why we're angry. We're angry because of the damage to our wallets busted pipes are going to cause. So yes, Abbott is still a bitch as Texas has been saying for a while and Biden is at fault too.
Funny how yesterday this site was completely sure that Jones was controlled opposition, and now we’re back to hanging on his every word.
Also this is complete bullshit, mods need to stop spreading lies. Honestly this site has become garbage ever since January 6th, it’s like the mods stopped giving any fucks.
A Blizzard in Texas? Okay. Rare. But to shut off power and water during a blizzard in Texas? Now that's some World War 3 shit.
That Infowars article that China and the Globalist, Deep States having a weather machine --- isn't too far fetched. Remember, one of the earlier laws that the False President Biden did was legally allow China to interfere with the U.S. Power Grid.
The Texas AG outta sue the Biden administration along with the DOE in this case. Also, I hope the geoengineering operations done by the NWO globalists is exposed to even more people as a result of this. Quite frankly, the civil air patrol should take up the role of intercepting planes they saw releasing chemtrails at stratospheric altitude which would be 30,000 feet to 55,000 feet in altitude.
It takes a week to ramp up power plants. Abott requested a waiver on emissions, the DOE said NO you have to buy outside of state Green alternative power while it's available, or it's a felony. The people you are saying the document says the opposite are shills are full of shit!
I understand that part, but I also know the Texas energy peeps, epcot or whatever, said it was an issue of the grid being overloaded by the demand and the grid could not handle so much power..or at least they implied that.
It seemed they were actually stating they were heroes, and in no way fucked things up.
What happened to the lone star states motto "don't mess with Texas". All bs. States rights will solve all of these issues.10A all the way. We should tell the fed to leave our states and be more independent so we can stand by states law and not dc's teats. Would have saved lives if Texas were totally Energy Independent.
If you think that is only Texas then you're wrong. Texas was energy independent under Trump. To fight back, we need a governor who isn't a bitch first.
Being a lot facetious there. Our leaders have completely failed us in every effing way. 10a is the only way. No need for Texas to listen to a corrupt Washington D.C. no secession is needed. We need a states right movement. 10A! Independent states. God bless the USA.
Department of Energy Order No. 202-21-1Page 2 of 4ERCOT has been alerted that numerous generation units will be unable to operate at fullcapacity without violating federal air quality or other permit limitations.
What the actual fuck? People are dying, property is being ruined and people can't get emergency energy for an extremely temporary time because of some beuareacratic red tape? This is flatout evil.
People have died because of this. There is no excuse for letting innocent people endure this travesty. The costs to innocent people is not acceptable or defendable. People that let this happen are truly EVIL.
In this case, the "mistake" was 100% intentional.
MORE INFO detailed explanation of EO's and DOE document:
https://www.newswars.com/smoking-gun-joe-bidens-dept-of-energy-blocked-texas-from-increasing-power-ahead-of-enduring-storm/
I skimmed the full pdf, and that's the impression the government wants to give.
I fully expect Biden would sue Texas if they went above the EPA guidelines and didnt purchase the expensive alternative electricity.
Texas should have ignored Biden and generated the electricity anyways.
I think this "story" is just ERCOTs way of shifting blame.
Real leaders would have saved people and ignored this asinine order from the energy secretary.
Indeed, real Men damn the consequences and do their best to SAVE Lives.
Yeah, the linked PDF definitely makes no allusions to preventing Texas from generating any power ahead of the storm by going outside EPA standards.
I don't think this is ERCOT's way of shifting blame, this sounds more like a knee-jerk from people who didn't take the time to actually read the documents in question lumped in with a click-bait headline.
We like to call libruls stupid here, but they are quite clever with words.
Of course they arent going to explicitly say Texas can ignore air quality regulations during an emergency, they just make the conditions to qualify for the exemption not possible to meet.
That's what the conversation here is about.
Interpreing this is like looking at the forest instead of each individual tree.
But you still have to interpret it. Words have meaning, and that is what will come into play in any kind of legal battle over this. This document basically gives them an out, where they can say something like "We made this suggestion based on projections given to us by our experts and did not expect the situation to worsen like it did". It's plausible deniability, and it is something you have to get through if you genuinely expect any problem similar to this (i.e. election fraud) to actually get solved.
This blindly following the rules is why we are in this whole stupid mess to begin with from the cops right up to all the republicans in the senate.
Wait you’re seriously going to believe government propaganda over Infowars?
No it didn't, and since your reading comprehension sucks, let me explain.
Texas said, "Hey we have a one time emergency and need to increase energy output. It might put us above the environmental limits set for regular usage, but we need to increase this temporarily, for a couple days, to keep damage to a minimum. Since even that might not be enough."
DoE replied with: "Oh noooo that sucks, and indeed looks like an emergency, but the climate comes first, so you cant go over it right now, but when it already is an emergency, we * might * let you go over the limit just a bit, for 6000% the cost of what it would normally be. Maybe. You're welcome."
Based
It really doesn't. This is the meat of the order:
Basically, they must import power at exorbitant prices beforehand and the grid must already be failing before they are allowed to spin up extra production, and that production must be priced at a point that can bankrupt normal people for running the heating overnight. The order says "Ercot can do what they need to do (but actually they can't, because environment)."
I'm sure that physically they would be capable of doing so. But, power "utility" companies are pseudo government agencies, full of the same people that the government bureaucracies are full of, they won't ever stick their neck out.
I'm sure that the PR teams, lawyers, and strategists on both sides are working around the clock to figure out how to spin both lies and truth to their advantage. This will surely be a dominant subject for a few more days to come, and we will learn a lot more in that time.
Hindsight is 20/20. I think there's no way to predict that it would go this bad until it does, and if you take measures outside the law and everything goes just fine you get in trouble for breaking the law, because no one can really know for sure whether you needed to have done that or not. Or, even if you can know for sure, you can still be crucified anyway because the left can simply lie and ruin you anyway.
You can make a rocket stove with tin cans. That will heat at least one room, give you hot water (melt snow), and give you something to cook on. Just don't burn down the house.
The people in the State are suffering because of the tyranny of the federal government.
This should only end one way.
It DOES say that texas has to gouge the fuck out of the price of any electricity produced this way, though... which is absolute horseshit,
but whatev. fewer texans means fewer red politicians in washington, so it's win/win for democrats...
🌎👨🏻🚀👈🏻👨🏻🚀
Sorry guys, it was an accident!
Oh, don't forget to vote! (blue only you bigot)
Hahahaha! I love that guy.
"Never let a crisis go to waste!" - some flunky to a rapist.
There's a reason why Milton is on my personal Mt. Rushmore.
Like how they ran out of oil in Venezuela
Lol. Actually, it's the wrong kind of sand. This particular video on sand wars explains it yes, sand wars. 🙃 🤡🌏
That’ll teach them for voting red.
How long before Florida has their version of a 'once in a millenia' natural disaster that Biden will refuse to help?
All the Red States will soon get their punishment.
He already punished the Midwestern Red States by cancelling the Keystone pipeline.
Eh. Got a few more months before the next “cat 19561529” hurricane that’s gonna wipe Florida off the map.
Tho seeing how the federal government refused to do anything about this storm just strengthened the resolve of those who think “can’t depend on the fed for sh—.”
Good, one step closer to the States reclaiming their sovereignty.
And then they'll blame it on cLiMaTe cHaNgE
While motherf—-ing Florida man is in his lawn chair with a beer in one hand and a flag pole with old glory in another yelling at the hurricane.
Man, I’m jealous of that kind of spirit 🥺
Have to wait until summer for that. Then they can knock out power and kill people from the heat. "It's going to be a looong dark summer" - Joe probably.
Hurricane season.
DUCK SEASON!
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/422248/americas-favorite-wabbit-turns-75-https://i0.wp.com/live-nr-2017.pantheonsite.io/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bugs-bunny-photos-301_0-5.jpg
...Sorry, I had a moment...
THIS. I know it’s coming and I’m waiting.
What this about voting? That's so 2016. Now a days The machines vote for you.
It's the same algorithm that lines up your Hulu shows. "We see you enjoyed RuPauls' Drag Race, so we cast a democrat vote for you as a time saving service!"
More like “we see you’ve never watched Ru Paul’s drag race, so we will continue to put Ru Paul’s drag race on your recommended list until you watch it bigot”
"...and we'll be casting a democrat vote for you as a time saving service"
I've never understood thos algorithms. Guess it's just proof that we are all individuals but they are never even close to the things I watch. I think it's more like, hey here is what we want you to watch now because you aren't getting a good enough diet of it. Netflix I just had to cancel.
Algorithms are pretty dumb sometimes.
Because I've gone to Caribbean dive resorts in the past, I get a lot of ads for Caribbean dive resorts. The problem is, there's one resort in particular that I get spam from nonstop. I'll never go to this resort because the keep dolphins captive, but the algorithm can't figure out that spamming me with an ad for a place I hate is only going to motivate me to recruit others to my view of that resort.
I could be nice and tell the resort to quit wasting their money on counter-productive ads, but they deserve what they don't get.
When I was young, I used to get a lot of targeted ads in Arabic trying to sell me boner pills. I read some weird shit on the internet, I know. But to say I was the opposite of their target demographic is almost an understatement.
About that same time, P&G did a big ad buy for family stuff, mostly baby but also just health stuff in general. I mean big ad buy: everyone got these ads, they were just put all over the internet for everyone period. There were a few products I didn't realize existed, and I bought them.
... Just sayin' to any ad guys here: that's how bad it was 10 years ago, and it's only gotten worse.
Ban voting machines.
[laughs in Dominion]
Haha.
He said vote.
All the reddit simps were blaming the nearest conservative politician. 2 months ago this would've been Drumpfs fault.
yeah, Ted Cruz. What do they think he is supposed to do? Pass a bill in the DC congress outlawing freezing temperatures? Hes not the TX governor. He isnt one of those governors that pass a COVID rights removal bill then disregard it themselves.
I cant tell if these people are bad actors or knowingly putting up bad faith criticisms.
They still blame him. They've gotten everything they wanted and they still can't shut up about Trump. This proves that TDS was real all along and even far worse than we ever imagined.
Who cares? Why aren't we knocking the fuck out of them when they open their mouths instead of giving a shit about who they blame?
How are you losers so pathetic? Where did you lose your spine? And how DARE you call yourselves "patriots".
what the fuck are YOU doing to help? Every single one of your comments is calling people pussies who won't do shit about the election being stolen.
Please show us the way Mr. Badass
LoL. Glowie, illegal alien, shill, ... what’s next?
Am I Xiao Biden himself?
If both of you do something it's a movement
Stay tuned.
Nothing. He's a demoralizer. Every single one of his comments is designed to kill our morale and prevent our taking any action. We need to dogpile that deport button until the mods finally uncuck themselves for one minute and ban him for good.
If the question “what are you doing besides posting on Internet forums” is killing your morale - it’s not me, it’s you.
It's not killing my morale. It is derailing all conversations that might lead to something productive. If you really want things to get better and you're not a shill, (which I doubt, but who knows) try shutting up when the conversation turns to that topic.
Nice try FBI
Everyone I don’t like is the FBI
Everyone I don't like is a Glowie
How is a loser like you so pathetic? Where did you lose your spine? And how DARE you call yourself a "patriot".
Lol, so his answer was, “I don’t do shit because I ain’t shit. So, I would rather accuse everyone who confronts me as being the FBI.”
Lol, yeah, total prick.
GLOWIE much?
HOW DARE YOU CALL US TO FIGHT FOR THE COUNTRY MR FBI AGENT; IMA KEEP DOING NOTHING
max glowie potential reached!!! FBI give this guy a medal!
Well done. You've defeated the federal government glowies by submitting to the federal government.
No wonder you're not taking the country back if you're so stupid.
Fuck, I'm agreeing with excaliboor. The fuck has the world come to.
We'd beat the shit out of each other if we ever meet but after that we'd do much worse to leftists.
If you weren't a coward who just posts on the internet instead of actually doing something.
How many nazis have you punched today?
I was a mod on the_donald so your pathetic attempt at an insult went awry.
Are you ok dude? Just being honest, You sound like you're going insane.
I must be actually insane because I’m witnessing the United States being stolen by criminals and Americans aren’t doing anything about it but posting on Internet forums.
Get knocking.
What? The DOE is authorizing ERCOT to generate above environmental quality limits to produce emergency power on 2/14-2/19. It didn’t matter, there still wasn’t enough gen. Read the fucking document.
There was an executive order of Obama's that Trump overrode with another or repealed. Biden re enacted it and also gave China access to our power grid again! Basically, If Texas ramps up power BEFORE buying from outside states, more green power, the power people are committing FELONIES. The power from outside states is up to 10,000 percent!! And it takes up to a WEEK to ramp up power They are trying to kill us, wake up!!!!
That is not clear at all from the link. Csn you back up those statements?
I’m having a hard time blaming the DOE based on the provided document though honestly.
Ok Spaceforce1999 what do I know having worked in wholesale power markets my entire career, I’ll just trust your opinion.
It authorized them, then immediately hamstrung them by forcing them to set arbitrary hours for extra generation. This isn't like summer where you know temps will drop after sunset, it was cold all day here. They then had to request extra power on an individual basis for every instance not inside those hours, basically asking for more power after a blackout.
They really didn't authorize it, they authorize it under very limited conditions that made it practically impossible. Basically, Ercot has to import power at whatever price the sellers want, and wasn't allowed to increase power production beyond environmental limits unless the power grid was already failing.
Which it was. Neighboring ISO (SPP) still massive discount to ERCOT prices. I am in the wholesale power business and understand this shit way better than anyone else here, trust me. This is nothing.
So this is ERCOT not understanding that, or not giving a shit and saying "fuck it"?
There wasn’t enough power dude. Like short by 30gw. Environmental shit didn’t matter. They would have burned the family pets if they could have.
You seem a little hostile there bud, it was an honest question, you said this is what you do for a living.
So again, the problem here was that ERCOT could have raised output or bought from out of state, but didn't?
No. The DC ties from SPP were maxed out for the duration. The DC ties from Mexico did not flow in because ERCOT banned gas exports which blacked out northern Mexico. There was no more gen running in ERCOT that was available, prices were so incredibly high that even the tiniest generator would have made a killing. The problem was mainly that gas supply was not available due to frozen wellheads.
I see, so you're saying it wasn't frozen turbines to blame but NG?
I believe you are in the industry and probably know a lot better than I do, but this situation really doesn't make sense to me. The limitations of needing to declare emergencies (which I do not know the specifics of but I'm sure it isn't just a The-Office-esque "I DECLARE EMERGENCY" being yelled out the window), having to buy outside power, and having to radically overcharge for over generation had no real effect? I don't understand why, if they wanted full power generation to be available to save lives, they wouldn't just say "for these 5 days lets not worry about a few tenths of a percent extra emissions on the year, go ahead and run full bore right out the gate." Why instead did the whole order read like it was 100% about telling them how and when they cannot run over the enviro regs? I guess it is plausible that even had they said "go ahead and run full bore" it still would have ended up this way, but when it does end up this way hindsight certainly puts into perspective that they care more about insignificantly increased gas emissions than they do about immediate threats to people's lives. I mean, the order literally says "if you end up having to deliver power over your enviro quotas, you have to charge people $1500/mwh." I mean, you're in a situation where people can't heat their homes and the federal government is arbitrarily price gouging to curtail usage? WTF is that about?
The gen wasn’t there. The regulations didn’t matter. A massive amount of gas gen couldn’t run because the gas supply simply was not there.
Ok. Did something go wrong or did they run everything and it simply wasn't enough even full bore?
It wasn’t even close to enough. They ran everything they had. There were problems with wind gen but it paled in comparison to the problems with gas production and distribution.
Wow. Do you think anything could have been done differently, or was this just unavoidable given the current state of energy production in the state? Do you think it'd have been avoidable had the money spent on wind and solar over the past 30 years been spent on gas, coal, or nuclear?
If I were in charge and the weather report warned of a 30 year storm I would have a plan in place to ramp up generation and buy from elsewhere. It would have been that easy. It seems like maybe you don't yet accept that we are living in a dictatorship. The sooner we accept that the sooner we will see things how they really are.
So what. The damage is already done and the message already clearly sent. DOE allowing this is them telling you, "so you want to play along now or not" as they drizzle you some sugar from the honeypot.
Imagine living in America where the DOE, which should not exist, can tell a state how to run it's power grid.
You don't have to imagine it. It's reality. And you spineless pathetic coward aren't doing shit to change it.
Yeah man, it's reality. That's why I said that.
What do you want me to do hoss?
What you should do? Nothing, keep posting on internet forums and await the Gulags. Be complacent. Obey your new Chinese overlords.
Says the guy ranting on the internet and calling people names.
I've made my preparations to deal with what's coming.
How many Texans deaths is Biden responsible for? Short answer: All of them.
The good news is all the deaths were libtards. The state got a week’s notice, and the smart people (MAGA types) would have known to stock up, and know how to take care of themselves. This whole thing is overblown—only the people depending on government handouts suffered more than just being a little chilly for a few days.
This 100%. We lost power for like 10 minutes and spent a few hours figuring out how to thaw the pipes at our new home. The trick is to not live inside the borders of Dallas, Houston, or Austin.
It's like that in every "natural" disaster. In many ways this disaster is more the governments fault than the weather.
This totally has Obama fingerprints all over it too. Just sounds like something he'd do
Doc link https://www.scribd.com/document/495189508/DOE-202-c-Emergency-Order-ERCOT-02-14-2021
so it seems to say they requested it and they were going to help out.
The waivers only applied when the grid fails (Level 2 and 3) and any power purchased before or after MUST be sold at $1500/MWH, which is insane. It's government-mandated price-gouging.
READ IT, more detailed explanation, sorry but you are wrong https://www.newswars.com/smoking-gun-joe-bidens-dept-of-energy-blocked-texas-from-increasing-power-ahead-of-enduring-storm/
Im happy to be wrong. I just read the materials provided and asked a question.
How is that a free market?!
The order shows Acting Energy Secretary David Huizenga did not waive environmental restrictions to allow for maximum energy output, instead ordering ERCOT to utilize all resources in order to stay within acceptable emissions standards – including purchasing energy from outside the state.
I've been saying this since day one. These fuckers are so predictable at this point that I have basically been calling everything long before it happens for years. Not because I am smart but because they are so predictably corrupt and destructive. I knew for a fact at the first report that this was a message to Texans by a dictator. This is tyranny and I expect tyrants to do what they do so I can always call it. The guess work is all over folks, tyranny is here.
The fact that any state needs to ask the federal government to increase energy output is insane. If I were governor everything would have been running full bore and I’d deal with the consequences afterwards.
Call your reps and tell them to support HB 1359, the Texas Independence Referendum Act.
They don’t care. They can do whatever they want and no one stops them. Burn loot murder
Fuck ERCOT. What's the point of having your own non-federally regulated grid if it's run by faggots from out of state who suck commie dick and take orders from Biden?
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS FOR THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS TO EVERYONE CLAIMING IT WAS ONLY A STATE FAILURE. IDIOTS ON HERE DECIDED TO DOWNVOTE AND ARGUE WITH ME INSTEAD.
At least litards aren't vengeful! /s
DOE Emergency Order issued the same day ERCOT request on 14 Feb 2021
MORE INFO detailed explanation of EO's and DOE document:
https://www.newswars.com/smoking-gun-joe-bidens-dept-of-energy-blocked-texas-from-increasing-power-ahead-of-enduring-storm/
People died...
They Came
They Saw
We Died.
cackle
biden must be impeached for this
Someone followed that order. This has to be said. Someone could have stopped this, and if they didn't, they share some of the blame.
I was wondering why the DOE was completely fucking silent here...
This was on purpose to punish Texans.
Just read on Jim Stone http://82.221.129.208 that Texas formally asked the DOE to increase output by 4 gigawatts, the DOE replied by reducing output by 30 gigawatts. The Dems are out to get Texas. Florida be warned.
It's still Abbot's fault because he sat there and pouted and let people die instead of fighting for the people of Texas. He's a bitch, but hes the bitch you keep voting for. I keep hearing about how tough Texas is but now I just see a bunch of guys shivering in the cold while the government laughs at them.
We voted for Abbott because the alternatives were worse. However, his next election I have my eyes on Holsome. Secondly, you've got it wrong like so many. Texans shivering in the cold isn't why we're angry. We're angry because of the damage to our wallets busted pipes are going to cause. So yes, Abbott is still a bitch as Texas has been saying for a while and Biden is at fault too.
Funny how yesterday this site was completely sure that Jones was controlled opposition, and now we’re back to hanging on his every word.
Also this is complete bullshit, mods need to stop spreading lies. Honestly this site has become garbage ever since January 6th, it’s like the mods stopped giving any fucks.
Quick. There is a funny meme on youtube. Let's make it a sticky!!!
it's the wild west brother.
everyone is a glowie or shit poster from this point out.
Glowies and Shitposters.
MORE INFO detailed explanation of EO's and DOE document. If you aren't understanding why this is deliberate read it!:
https://www.newswars.com/smoking-gun-joe-bidens-dept-of-energy-blocked-texas-from-increasing-power-ahead-of-enduring-storm/
2 infuriating pieces of information:
1)We apparently need permission from the feds to generate electricity and heat
2)they fucking said no.
Time to start impeachment process. Oh wait, Republicans don't do that sort of thing. We need to be friendly
Texas here, we aren't intimidated by being shut off from the 47. If we secede, we know things might go sideways for a while.
https://www.energy.gov/sites/prod/files/2021/02/f82/DOE%20202%28c%29%20Emergency%20Order%20-%20ERCOT%2002.14.2021.pdf
So why didn't our spineless Governor overrule the DOE and look out for his own State? We need to get rid of Abbott.
Please succeed Texas. Please.
Biden should resign
Where in the document does it block the increase? I read it (can't believe the bearacracy language) but couldn't find the denial.
Told you - HIGHLY ILLEGAL. And HIGHLY Suspect!
A Blizzard in Texas? Okay. Rare. But to shut off power and water during a blizzard in Texas? Now that's some World War 3 shit.
That Infowars article that China and the Globalist, Deep States having a weather machine --- isn't too far fetched. Remember, one of the earlier laws that the False President Biden did was legally allow China to interfere with the U.S. Power Grid.
The Texas AG outta sue the Biden administration along with the DOE in this case. Also, I hope the geoengineering operations done by the NWO globalists is exposed to even more people as a result of this. Quite frankly, the civil air patrol should take up the role of intercepting planes they saw releasing chemtrails at stratospheric altitude which would be 30,000 feet to 55,000 feet in altitude.
How many more people have to die because of Biden??
Joe Biden in trouble?
Yes sir!!! more here
Thanks! I was trying to find something with more detail!
So you think he doesn’t know he’s to blame?
The Government isn’t the answer, it won’t ever be the answer.
I'm hearing conflicting reports. The power outages not being a product of not enough power, but by too much demand on the power grid.
This resulted in system failure and forcing blackouts.
So which is it?
It takes a week to ramp up power plants. Abott requested a waiver on emissions, the DOE said NO you have to buy outside of state Green alternative power while it's available, or it's a felony. The people you are saying the document says the opposite are shills are full of shit!
Too much demand, defined as more than the allowed assets could generate. Because the wind turbines were not weatherized and they iced up.
In other words, the “central planners” did not provide them with enough generation capacity.
Thanks!
Should be interesting getting to the facts of the matter.
"Too much demand for supply."
"Not enough supply for demand."
There is no difference between these two sentances. They mean exactly the same thing.
I understand that part, but I also know the Texas energy peeps, epcot or whatever, said it was an issue of the grid being overloaded by the demand and the grid could not handle so much power..or at least they implied that.
It seemed they were actually stating they were heroes, and in no way fucked things up.
Well the ERCOT director was at the helm of the Michigan water supply during the Flint crisis, so...
oh shit...seriously?
What the hell was Texas thinking?
Seriously the bitch doesn't even live in Texas. She's still in Michigan. And her deputy is in Germany auctioning carbon tax credits. It's obscene.
Damn, that is beyond obscene. Not quite at the level of democrats intentionally killing off the elderly via intentional covid policy, but close.
My answer is probably a bit unsatisfying, but it's both. Not enough power decreases the safety margins; too much demand uses them up ultimately.
Max demand and minimum supply mostly due to gas well freeze offs.
I dont understand how states voted to allow the federal government to tell them how much power they can make.
state governments should stop listening to the federal
What happened to the lone star states motto "don't mess with Texas". All bs. States rights will solve all of these issues.10A all the way. We should tell the fed to leave our states and be more independent so we can stand by states law and not dc's teats. Would have saved lives if Texas were totally Energy Independent.
If you think that is only Texas then you're wrong. Texas was energy independent under Trump. To fight back, we need a governor who isn't a bitch first.
Being a lot facetious there. Our leaders have completely failed us in every effing way. 10a is the only way. No need for Texas to listen to a corrupt Washington D.C. no secession is needed. We need a states right movement. 10A! Independent states. God bless the USA.
This was a set up for failure. Why do we always play by the rules and they never do...?
What the actual fuck? People are dying, property is being ruined and people can't get emergency energy for an extremely temporary time because of some beuareacratic red tape? This is flatout evil.
Act of war on TX.
People have died because of this. There is no excuse for letting innocent people endure this travesty. The costs to innocent people is not acceptable or defendable. People that let this happen are truly EVIL.