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xxxMAGA420xxx 42 points ago +42 / -0

I skimmed the full pdf, and that's the impression the government wants to give.

I fully expect Biden would sue Texas if they went above the EPA guidelines and didnt purchase the expensive alternative electricity.

Texas should have ignored Biden and generated the electricity anyways.

I think this "story" is just ERCOTs way of shifting blame.

Real leaders would have saved people and ignored this asinine order from the energy secretary.

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NotAPuma 22 points ago +22 / -0

Indeed, real Men damn the consequences and do their best to SAVE Lives.

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Yawnz13 5 points ago +7 / -2

Yeah, the linked PDF definitely makes no allusions to preventing Texas from generating any power ahead of the storm by going outside EPA standards.

I don't think this is ERCOT's way of shifting blame, this sounds more like a knee-jerk from people who didn't take the time to actually read the documents in question lumped in with a click-bait headline.

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xxxMAGA420xxx 8 points ago +9 / -1

We like to call libruls stupid here, but they are quite clever with words.

Of course they arent going to explicitly say Texas can ignore air quality regulations during an emergency, they just make the conditions to qualify for the exemption not possible to meet.

That's what the conversation here is about.

Interpreing this is like looking at the forest instead of each individual tree.

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mainsoda 5 points ago +5 / -0

This blindly following the rules is why we are in this whole stupid mess to begin with from the cops right up to all the republicans in the senate.

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SmolPedeBestPede 10 points ago +13 / -3

Wait you’re seriously going to believe government propaganda over Infowars?

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drjillsusedscrunchie 9 points ago +13 / -4

No it didn't, and since your reading comprehension sucks, let me explain.

Texas said, "Hey we have a one time emergency and need to increase energy output. It might put us above the environmental limits set for regular usage, but we need to increase this temporarily, for a couple days, to keep damage to a minimum. Since even that might not be enough."

DoE replied with: "Oh noooo that sucks, and indeed looks like an emergency, but the climate comes first, so you cant go over it right now, but when it already is an emergency, we * might * let you go over the limit just a bit, for 6000% the cost of what it would normally be. Maybe. You're welcome."

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Darkheartisland 1 point ago +1 / -0

Based

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djaeveloplyse 9 points ago +9 / -0

It really doesn't. This is the meat of the order:

ERCOT shall exhaust all reasonably and practically available resources, including available imports

any Specified Resource ... is only allowed to exceed any such limit during a period for which ERCOT has declared an Energy Emergency Alert (EEA) Level 2 or Level 3. This incremental amount of restricted capacity would be offered at a price no lower than $1,500/MWh.

Basically, they must import power at exorbitant prices beforehand and the grid must already be failing before they are allowed to spin up extra production, and that production must be priced at a point that can bankrupt normal people for running the heating overnight. The order says "Ercot can do what they need to do (but actually they can't, because environment)."

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djaeveloplyse 6 points ago +6 / -0

I'm sure that physically they would be capable of doing so. But, power "utility" companies are pseudo government agencies, full of the same people that the government bureaucracies are full of, they won't ever stick their neck out.

I'm sure that the PR teams, lawyers, and strategists on both sides are working around the clock to figure out how to spin both lies and truth to their advantage. This will surely be a dominant subject for a few more days to come, and we will learn a lot more in that time.

Hindsight is 20/20. I think there's no way to predict that it would go this bad until it does, and if you take measures outside the law and everything goes just fine you get in trouble for breaking the law, because no one can really know for sure whether you needed to have done that or not. Or, even if you can know for sure, you can still be crucified anyway because the left can simply lie and ruin you anyway.

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JohnParker1 1 point ago +1 / -0

You can make a rocket stove with tin cans. That will heat at least one room, give you hot water (melt snow), and give you something to cook on. Just don't burn down the house.

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GlockArm -3 points ago +1 / -4

The people in the State are suffering because of the tyranny of the federal government.

This should only end one way.

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yeldarb1983 1 point ago +1 / -0

It DOES say that texas has to gouge the fuck out of the price of any electricity produced this way, though... which is absolute horseshit,

but whatev. fewer texans means fewer red politicians in washington, so it's win/win for democrats...