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posted ago by KGB82 ago by KGB82 +17 / -2

Most evolutionists hinge on some belief about shared ancestry. This DOES NOT prove evolution. It's backwards. There is NO evidence for a working, functional evolution. And, in fact, all of the "evidence" for common ancestry can be attributed to common Design elements. If you can't solve the problem going forward, to where it actually becomes useful, and real, then you believe in a new age fairy tale, taken all together. A false religion of so-called science that is a DILLUSION. Fate is not without a sense of irony, I suppose. The Bible has always made the same claim about what it is, and where it comes from, and still stands firm on testable, repeatable, observable scientific phenomena.

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Baryonic 2 points ago +2 / -0

evolution has nothing to do with physics

Not true at all. All of science is physics. Physics is just the set of rules that describe the basic operations the universe.

And if a god is playing games to make it look like it does not exist - great. It has nothing to do with what I can know about this universe.

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otistoole 0 points ago +1 / -1

Quantum physics does not line up with regular physics. Don't bullshit me. Its all flawed and wrong and humans might not be even able to conceive what actually 'reality' even is

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otistoole -1 points ago +0 / -1

Ok then explain to me, on a physics level, what drives evolution. I suppose thats just how it works, right? But why

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Baryonic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Random variation in build code creates random variations in bodies. Variations that give any advantage in reproduction get selected for. Over time those variations produce wildly divergent structures and all the life we see. The whole thing boils down to the physics of the DNA polymers and the physics of the built instances of a lifeform in its ecological niche.

its not really hard to understand. It seems like you would prefer not to understand it because to understand it might undermine some other ideas you don't feel are up to the challenge of contradiction.

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Baryonic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Would it undermine some idea you hold dear like biblical creation or god or something else if you came to accept that evolution did in fact occur?

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otistoole 1 point ago +1 / -0

Nope. But explain it if you can. Simply as possible. Why does life even exist let alone 'evolves'

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Baryonic 1 point ago +1 / -0

Why does a lottery winner win? This planet is a lottery win - the moon is WAY larger than it should be and because of the early planet strike that created the moon added a huge amount of energy and mass to the core - we have a very strong magnetic field. This kept the atmosphere from being leached away by solar wind and the large moon kept the planet's rotation from becoming too erratic.

This is very rare as far as we can see. But without it - life likely would never have emerged here.

Like is a happy accident.

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otistoole 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not really. Tickle my fancy

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otistoole -1 points ago +1 / -2

'Ok like, some how bacteria or some shit spontaneously combusted in the mud, right, then it all, like, totally started striving forth and now we have like skyscrapers and shit. Gnarly!'

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Baryonic 1 point ago +1 / -0

There is no "striving". There is make a copy or do not.

How did life startup? We don't really know yet. We know if could not have used DNA yet because that requires compilers and parts that could not spontaneously emerge.

But - RNA - can self assemble and can catalyze reactions like a protein. The first replicators were probably just simple chemistry loops - probably in clay crystals near geothermal vents. As the energy gradient went from the heat of the vent to the cold of the ocean - loops of chemical reactions took place.

We already know from studies of comet tails that some amino acids will self assemble in non-life contexts. There are a lot of things like the chirality (the "handedness" ) of amino acids vs sugars would have been an early selective sieve. That might be built into the universe itself - ultraviolet may have a higher likelihood of breaking apart the ratios so they were not 50:50.

But in any case - billions of years of simple chemistry predated anything like replicators. None of that leaves much evidence we can get at - but maybe by looking at Mars or comets - we might get some clues.

But the process that started things off would have been one where the only things that emerged from this were things that could replicate. Those simple replicators would have evolved from non-random selection of random variations in niches across the planet. Once you have one instance that replicates and makes a successful copy - the rest is just inevitable.

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otistoole 1 point ago +1 / -0

Im not into that urey Miller bs. Sorry. Is that what its called?