Libertarians have always been corporatist shills. They are there to convince conservatives that corporations are good as they are getting crushed by these same corporations.
Sooooo spot on.
I feel like Libertarians cherry pick shit they like from Thomas Paine and others and never acknowledge the parts they did not cherry pick. And then disingenuously quote their cherry picks.
Thomas Paine’s entire political philosophy has the stupidity of human nature as his main foundation in thinking out every point he makes regarding government.
Spot on. A friend of mine I grew up with was a staunch libertarian - I was more liberal at the time (2x Obama voter) and always thought libertarianism in modern political philosophy was a nice thought, but ultimately a ridiculous endeavor. I understood that the meddlesome nature of the human condition would be its downfall. Now that I'm a little bit older, libertarianism reeks of political immaturity, IMO.
What's interesting is that friend of mine (who I no longer bother with) is now a lefty faggot who may as well be a commie. He denies it, but it's as plain as day. Though socialism/communism and libertarianism have essentially nothing in common, they appeal to the same clsss of the politically uninformed. As an individual's circumstances in life change and they remain undeveloped in a particular area, it is likely their personal beliefs will shift to something equally stupid. My friend's libertarian beliefs were a result of his middle-class upbringing and stable environment. As he began to experience legal problems and a lack of career options in his twenties, his need for structure increased - thus his now love for big government and its daily intrusion into our lives. He loves it!
libertarianism is the right direction. You wouldn't want to go the whole way as if enacted in it's entirety would be horrible. If mostly implemented would be considerably better than our current position. I'm with the guy who said he wants government small enough he could drown it in the bath tub but also believe government is a required evil.
I agree with you as well. Libertarianism has some good ideas and we should implement them, but it is a flawed ideology because it doesn't account for human nature.
I disagree.
They are more about taking the least offensive successful approach toward the future.
Notice when the left responded to Trump by moving its own social platform in a contrarian manner that the libertarians moved right with them.
That’s because they desperately seek that social approval and are easily manipulated.
I have said it before. The entire party is a Trojan horse to help the left achieve its social goals.
I think that’s why the refer to it as little l and big L. Libertarianism as an ideal that we live by isn’t the same thing as the big L, the crazy ass libertarian party.
I used to frequent Reason all the time. They've always have some impressively dedicated trolls in the comments. I don't visit much any more, but do check in on occasion, including today. There's an article about how bad it is to worry about mail in voting. It's a shit article, but just as I expected, the author got savaged in the comments. Every time I've checked in on Reason the past few years, I've seen the same thing. TDS editorial, comments saying "AYFKM? What happened to this publication?"
I don't know if they got bought out or compromised or what, or if cucking just comes naturally to pundits. Nonetheless, it's refreshing to see that the userbase still recognizes bullshit when they see it.
Same thing happened to a few websites.. I think liberals have been buying them out.. someone should look into it.. the intercept was once a really good website and it even broke the Edward Snowden story..
go to The intercept under Donald Trump and it's just a bunch of left-wing rad bullshit.. The Huffington Post was even once half decent. They ran a few stories under the 2016 election interviewing experts on fascism who said that Donald Trump wasn't fascist.. they even did a few on how trump didnt call mexican rapistss
At the end of the election though their coverage completely changed.. they had that wasn't a far left nut j
Libertarians are retarded. They immediately sided with Democrats once Trump won. That's why the Libertarian Party sucks. They accepted a boatload of Democrat cash and for the next 4 years sided with Democrats on basically everything. Justin Amash supported every fake impeachment and sided with Democrats when we all knew they massively abused the surveillance state to weaponize government against their political opposition but they still sided with them anyways. Libertarian party an Libertarian mouth pieces are fucking retarded. This coming from someone who's pretty fuckin libertarian but also not a retard who wants completely free trade and open borders while they could care less about dismantling the welfare state first. Smart libertarians went the way of Stefan Molyneux and realized we don't have time to undo 30 years of commie indoctrination to convince stupid people why libertarian ideas might be better before the complete destruction of the country takes place thus requiring more drastic and immediate actions so we still have the chance to have these conversations in the future.
I used to self-identify as a libertarian when Bob Barr was the candidate and the leading figures were Ron Paul and John Stossel. Today, I'd consider it an insult, even if you called them "smart libertarians".
Libertarian is synonymous with contrarian corporate bootlicker at this point. We need a new label for people who are okay with regulating giant corporations with way too much power but want small businesses and individuals to have nearly full freedom. Who think trust-busting is a great idea and that oligopolies and monopolies are in complete opposition to the principles that make free-market capitalism good and efficient.
Mmhmm. I posit a lot of these centrist, or classical liberal left of centre or slightly right of centre magazines, websites etc just got progressively skin suited by hard lefties with too much time on their hands. Those with too little to do with their time usually find no problem wasting the time of others.
The old joke goes that conservatives, classical liberals and libertarians would be out protesting but they are too busy working.
It’s bemusing to see so many ‘activists’ and Pantiefa always out til all hours. Do these children not have any work to do?! Go tidy your room.
Rational-Wiki used to be reasonable too. Now it’s just a snark holier than thou fest.
What the hell happened to reason. The TDS in editorial and some of the commenters is unreal.
Libertarians have always been corporatist shills. They are there to convince conservatives that corporations are good as they are getting crushed by these same corporations.
Libertarianism is the right’s answer to Communism—an ideology that would work real well, if human nature were completely different.
This is precisely what I think of libertarianism.
"you just gotta repeal all the laws mannnnnn. People will totally be good mannn""
Takes another hit from bong
Sooooo spot on.
I feel like Libertarians cherry pick shit they like from Thomas Paine and others and never acknowledge the parts they did not cherry pick. And then disingenuously quote their cherry picks. Thomas Paine’s entire political philosophy has the stupidity of human nature as his main foundation in thinking out every point he makes regarding government.
Spot on comment! Thank you!
Spot on. A friend of mine I grew up with was a staunch libertarian - I was more liberal at the time (2x Obama voter) and always thought libertarianism in modern political philosophy was a nice thought, but ultimately a ridiculous endeavor. I understood that the meddlesome nature of the human condition would be its downfall. Now that I'm a little bit older, libertarianism reeks of political immaturity, IMO.
What's interesting is that friend of mine (who I no longer bother with) is now a lefty faggot who may as well be a commie. He denies it, but it's as plain as day. Though socialism/communism and libertarianism have essentially nothing in common, they appeal to the same clsss of the politically uninformed. As an individual's circumstances in life change and they remain undeveloped in a particular area, it is likely their personal beliefs will shift to something equally stupid. My friend's libertarian beliefs were a result of his middle-class upbringing and stable environment. As he began to experience legal problems and a lack of career options in his twenties, his need for structure increased - thus his now love for big government and its daily intrusion into our lives. He loves it!
libertarianism is the right direction. You wouldn't want to go the whole way as if enacted in it's entirety would be horrible. If mostly implemented would be considerably better than our current position. I'm with the guy who said he wants government small enough he could drown it in the bath tub but also believe government is a required evil.
I agree with you as well. Libertarianism has some good ideas and we should implement them, but it is a flawed ideology because it doesn't account for human nature.
I disagree. They are more about taking the least offensive successful approach toward the future. Notice when the left responded to Trump by moving its own social platform in a contrarian manner that the libertarians moved right with them. That’s because they desperately seek that social approval and are easily manipulated. I have said it before. The entire party is a Trojan horse to help the left achieve its social goals.
Not sure I agree. I always thought libertarians were Republicans that like to get high and want to get rid of the federal reserve.
I think that’s why the refer to it as little l and big L. Libertarianism as an ideal that we live by isn’t the same thing as the big L, the crazy ass libertarian party.
Open borders have noting to do with libertarianism. That is what the astroturfed Libertarian Party pushes.
That IS the Libertarian party
No govt=no borderss
I used to frequent Reason all the time. They've always have some impressively dedicated trolls in the comments. I don't visit much any more, but do check in on occasion, including today. There's an article about how bad it is to worry about mail in voting. It's a shit article, but just as I expected, the author got savaged in the comments. Every time I've checked in on Reason the past few years, I've seen the same thing. TDS editorial, comments saying "AYFKM? What happened to this publication?"
I don't know if they got bought out or compromised or what, or if cucking just comes naturally to pundits. Nonetheless, it's refreshing to see that the userbase still recognizes bullshit when they see it.
Same thing happened to a few websites.. I think liberals have been buying them out.. someone should look into it.. the intercept was once a really good website and it even broke the Edward Snowden story..
go to The intercept under Donald Trump and it's just a bunch of left-wing rad bullshit.. The Huffington Post was even once half decent. They ran a few stories under the 2016 election interviewing experts on fascism who said that Donald Trump wasn't fascist.. they even did a few on how trump didnt call mexican rapistss
At the end of the election though their coverage completely changed.. they had that wasn't a far left nut j
When they wanted him to be the R nominee because they were sure he'd be easy to beat.
Huffington post has been trash since day one. I’m old enough to have been there.
ya, it's nice to see that
I saw the same thing looking at one article a while back
Libertarians are retarded. They immediately sided with Democrats once Trump won. That's why the Libertarian Party sucks. They accepted a boatload of Democrat cash and for the next 4 years sided with Democrats on basically everything. Justin Amash supported every fake impeachment and sided with Democrats when we all knew they massively abused the surveillance state to weaponize government against their political opposition but they still sided with them anyways. Libertarian party an Libertarian mouth pieces are fucking retarded. This coming from someone who's pretty fuckin libertarian but also not a retard who wants completely free trade and open borders while they could care less about dismantling the welfare state first. Smart libertarians went the way of Stefan Molyneux and realized we don't have time to undo 30 years of commie indoctrination to convince stupid people why libertarian ideas might be better before the complete destruction of the country takes place thus requiring more drastic and immediate actions so we still have the chance to have these conversations in the future.
I used to self-identify as a libertarian when Bob Barr was the candidate and the leading figures were Ron Paul and John Stossel. Today, I'd consider it an insult, even if you called them "smart libertarians".
Libertarian is synonymous with contrarian corporate bootlicker at this point. We need a new label for people who are okay with regulating giant corporations with way too much power but want small businesses and individuals to have nearly full freedom. Who think trust-busting is a great idea and that oligopolies and monopolies are in complete opposition to the principles that make free-market capitalism good and efficient.
They only exist to suck votes from consversatives. That's why the green party is gone and the democrats give money to the libertarians.
I don't know, but they seem really bipolar now. They have author(s) who still write good articles, and then author(s) who shill this nonsense.
I think they're just grasping at straws to have content that ANYONE will buy.
And to think ‘Reason’ used to be reasonable.
Mmhmm. I posit a lot of these centrist, or classical liberal left of centre or slightly right of centre magazines, websites etc just got progressively skin suited by hard lefties with too much time on their hands. Those with too little to do with their time usually find no problem wasting the time of others.
The old joke goes that conservatives, classical liberals and libertarians would be out protesting but they are too busy working.
It’s bemusing to see so many ‘activists’ and Pantiefa always out til all hours. Do these children not have any work to do?! Go tidy your room.
Rational-Wiki used to be reasonable too. Now it’s just a snark holier than thou fest.