Secession is a peaceful act, and the feds will shoot us in the back for attempting it and decry US as the violent ones.
The State is an institution that has its every action fundamentally rooted in violence, yet it will accuse those who resist its aggression as behaving violently.
And remember -- Fort Sumter was just the last event in a long chain of abuses. The federal troops were diligent in trying to resolve the situation peacefully, and they were even in talks with congress about how to handle the secession when it happened.
I think it's very telling that Abraham Lincoln and republican leaders in congress proposed amending the constitution to protect slavery in the South forever and ever. They wanted to give the South everything they wanted, but the South was belligerent and simply wanted to fight a war.
Secession isn't my plan for peace, it's my plan for war.
An internal civil war would be a long drawn out pointless insurgency. Without battle lines and objectives, it would just be a few years of sporadic bombings and shootings like during the Troubles in Ireland... spoilers: the IRA lost because you really can't win that kind of war.
With secession we would have organization, resources, objectives, and battle lines. All those gold blobs at the end of that chart? Those are the targets for the bombs. Sending millions of souls screaming into oblivion. Our justice accounts in all balance.
Civil war will be over in a few years. When commies show up, they don't want to leave, they have to be kicked out (see East Prussia aka Kaliningrad).
The Eastern Bloc countries are STILL trying to recover from communism. Alcoholism, govt corruption, bribery, etc. When you've spent your whole life in a corrupt system, it's hard to unlearn it.
Rush was the voice that countered Liberalism. But now, countering is not working. They still scream the loudest as does their MSM mouthpiece, big tech, and Woke education. We can't vote them out due to election fraud they orchestrate and get away with. So what then? What are our options for saving this country from becoming the next Chinese Communist States of America? If there is to be a war, we need leadership and organization. Who will step up?
...and then, when we have united again, a soyboy goes "Maybe we should try some socialism to help the less fortunate living in this new land" and that's when the constitutional beatings will begin.
I think the biggest problem is no punishment for going against the Constitution.
Whenever it's found a gun-control bill was unconstitutional, the person who suggested it should lose their seat. People should be terrified to go against the Constitution.
Once one concedes that a single world government is not necessary, then where does one logically stop at the permissibility of separate states? If Canada and the United States can be separate nations without being denounced as in a state of impermissible ‘anarchy’, why may not the South secede from the United States? New York State from the Union? New York City from the state? Why may not Manhattan secede? Each neighbourhood? Each block? Each house? Each person
The individual can live alone. They can succeed in a sense. Government typically form to address the interactions of individuals, the negative ones in particular.
I remember reading somewhere that one of the first proposed amendments was making it so that every 60k people got represented by one person in congress. It comes out to close to 5666 elected officials today.
The total amount of seats in congress has not changed since 1960. Though, I do remember that the constitution says that you cannot have more representatives than 1/30000, besides that congress can expand apportionment at any time.
It is very hard, however, to predict the political consequences of expanding apportionment, which is why no one seems to touch it. Many would believe that it would assist the democrats, but it is likely that it would destroy both political parties, as they would have to manage a lot more campaigns. And things would most certainly slow to a crawl.
Exactly. That was the original intention of the framers was to ensure it was difficult to pass anything to ensure a minority was represented. The uniparty has thrown that concept out the window.
Nah - just call it the United States. There's nothing 'united' about America now anyway. There's no reason you can't pass state laws to ignore the feds. Look at everything from Pot to Abortion. Even now there's States passing laws and amendments to ignore the new EOs coming out.
DC is done.
The little outliers that will be cut off from food and power we can call the Fake States (for as long as they exist - which wouldn't be long - people do nasty things to each other when they're starving to death.).
South Eastern New Mexico would join Texas in a blink of an eye, Biden killed the oil and gas industry there. The rest of NM is on the government tit, they wont join easily.
We don't even need secession. If every last locality in red in the 2025 frame actually manned-up and asserted their liberty against the tiny yellow areas TODAY we could choke them off and they'd be forced to bend the knee to OUR will. Not a single shot need be fired, warfare via commerce.
If any agency or politician should seek to artificially or otherwise change the demographics of the nation, they should be considered a traitor and treated accordingly.
How does Florida get in on it, though? As only Texas can "legally" secede. When they joined the union it was with the clause they could leave if they wanted.
That's why I'm shocked the Supreme Court snubbed Texas's court case...like they can fucking leave, they're the only state who can, too..
Secession is great and all, but I think your final map, without other changes, would lead to the same end. The real answer is smaller and less powerful federal government, and return to states rights. If I can move an hour away, to a new state, because my state is not governing the way I want, that's great. It allows people to vote with their feet. 50 state competition for successful people.
What we have now is there is very little that my state can do that greatly impacts my life because the federal government has so much more power. It's the reason the 10th amendment was written, and why it was butchered and ignored.
I like the graphic but I believe they tried this before it was called ercot and look how well that turned out. If anything after all the federal aid texas is about to eat some federal ass soon.
The only time anyone seriously tried to secede from the US. The laws of other countries don't matter, and unless you can point me to where the law of the US has changed to allow secession, the precedent here has been set very clearly.
The "precedent" has nothing to do with secession. The states formally seceded. Had South Carolina (and other states) not gone all shooty-shooty on federal troops, President Lincoln would've had no case, since there was no "armed insurrection".
The British fired on US first. They sent the troops into the colonies with the specific intent to stop any "rebellion" (really, a secession.) Because of their hostile actions, it wasn't too hard for the Founding Fathers to get the people rallied behind their cause. And thanks to French assistance in the international scene, and the fact that GB couldn't spare the money or troops to put down the "insurrection" we won our freedom.
That is the precedent we will be citing. We will declare ourselves free and sovereign, unencumbered by "Tradition" except the tradition of God-given rights, and those trampled upon!
If they attack us, then they can have their war, but public sentiment will be on our side.
This. People don't realize that the cost of being the "just cause" is that you have to allow the other side to commit the first "evil" act that crosses the line. Only 3% of the population fought against the British in the revolution. If the colonials had "fired the first shot", they would have lost the support of the rest of the population and would have lost the war. If anyone kicks off a hot war right now, they will be painted as extremists by a media and government that CURRENTLY still is the main source of information for MOST people. Get involved in local politics, that's where we need to make an effort. If our opponents decide to escalate things, then that is on them, but as of this moment, we still have political options.
I doubt that. Even among the states that would try to secede, opinion is going to be torn (let alone the remaining states), and the majority of the military would definitely side with the fed. There's no way you secede without doing a shooty-shooty at at least some fed troops or workers who decide to resist, and that's the end. You're not fighting a military power on the other side of an ocean that's seriously committed elsewhere, you're fighting the most powerful military in history on their own territory where they have intimate knowledge of the land, control of interstate infrastructure, the same basic culture, so on. Even if a rebellion wasn't immediately crushed, the US would make sure it'd be a pariah state on the level of North Korea for existing.
Scenario 1: Texas holds a statewide referendum, and votes to secede by a majority. The legislature ratifies it, sends a letter, signed by the governor, to Congress noting that the people wish to secede. Congress decides to reject the proposal. So Texas announces that due to whatever reason it can come up with, they are seceding anyway. They reach out again to congress, asking for an amicable departure, and willing to apportion assets accordingly. After Congress rebuffs them, Texas begins escorting federal agents to the border of Texas, and builds a wall around the border, carefully checking papers of people that come and go for citizenship in Texas. Federal agents who try to enforce federal laws in Texas are detained by police, and peacefully escorted to the border, and Texas petitions the United States to stop interfering with their business. Texas takes no other aggressive action, not even seizing any assets of the federal government. After 10 years or so of self-rule, eventually the federal government relents and works out how to allocate the assets and such from Texas.
Scenario 2: Same as above, except the agents that Texas arrest become violent, and shoot at the Texas state troopers or local police. Several Texas officers are injured or killed. Texas demands that the federal government stand down, that they are not recognized inside their borders anymore. The federal government sends in federal troops to do what exactly? Occupy the capitol? Protect the agents? Shoot "rebel leaders"? The world looks on in horror as atrocities are committed in the name of the United States against the people of Texas. Or maybe they do nothing and just stand there? When someone is arrested by a federal agent, the person insists that they are not part of the United States and do not recognize the federal courts. Now they are political prisoners, same as Gandhi. Eventually, the people of Texas say "Enough!" and deploy their military in aggressive activities against the US, with the sole intention of being left alone. Calling on foreign powers for assistance, we engage in Civil War, except the federal troops are not in friendly territory. Imagine Afghanistan except the Afghanis are modern warriors with modern military tactics and an understanding of things like cyber warfare and propaganda. How will this end?
Scenario 3: Same as above, except instead of giving the federal government time to form a response, Texas goes immediately in, guns blazing. They pile the corpses of the federal troops and agents sky high, bragging about how many they have killed, and showing off all the money they looted from the federal agencies. POTUS declares an insurrection in Texas and waves the bloody shirt of the atrocities committed by Texas against the United States. How will this end?
Which scenario is most likely? Which scenario ends with Texas seceding or Texas staying?
Seceding is the peaceful solution. Hope it happens.
Secession is a peaceful act, and the feds will shoot us in the back for attempting it and decry US as the violent ones.
The State is an institution that has its every action fundamentally rooted in violence, yet it will accuse those who resist its aggression as behaving violently.
Whoever shoots first loses.
Is that on PornHub?
It's okay to coom
That is true...the Confederacy shot first at Fort Sumpter and that did not end well for them.
And remember -- Fort Sumter was just the last event in a long chain of abuses. The federal troops were diligent in trying to resolve the situation peacefully, and they were even in talks with congress about how to handle the secession when it happened.
I think it's very telling that Abraham Lincoln and republican leaders in congress proposed amending the constitution to protect slavery in the South forever and ever. They wanted to give the South everything they wanted, but the South was belligerent and simply wanted to fight a war.
No, I think the South wanted to have their own country.
lol
Secession isn't my plan for peace, it's my plan for war.
An internal civil war would be a long drawn out pointless insurgency. Without battle lines and objectives, it would just be a few years of sporadic bombings and shootings like during the Troubles in Ireland... spoilers: the IRA lost because you really can't win that kind of war.
With secession we would have organization, resources, objectives, and battle lines. All those gold blobs at the end of that chart? Those are the targets for the bombs. Sending millions of souls screaming into oblivion. Our justice accounts in all balance.
Europede here (fmr USSR).
Civil war is a better option than communism.
Civil war will be over in a few years. When commies show up, they don't want to leave, they have to be kicked out (see East Prussia aka Kaliningrad).
The Eastern Bloc countries are STILL trying to recover from communism. Alcoholism, govt corruption, bribery, etc. When you've spent your whole life in a corrupt system, it's hard to unlearn it.
Rush was the voice that countered Liberalism. But now, countering is not working. They still scream the loudest as does their MSM mouthpiece, big tech, and Woke education. We can't vote them out due to election fraud they orchestrate and get away with. So what then? What are our options for saving this country from becoming the next Chinese Communist States of America? If there is to be a war, we need leadership and organization. Who will step up?
I think Eric July is taking the right approach and has the potential to serve a similar role as Rush.
Culture is paramount and where we should focus our efforts.
This graphic is all wrong, it would be Free Republic States of America, President Donald Trump (1st Term). We get one more.
Beat me to it. New country? First term for President Trump. He’ll be the new George Washington!
The capital city will be named Trump.
One of the states will also be named Trump, to maintain foreigner confusion.
Imagine the $100 bills:
https://cdn.extra.ie/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/26100734/Donald-Trump-Hurricane-Feature-Image.jpg
If we make the rules, he can stay in power as long as we want him to. HAIL THE GEOTUS!!!!
Missouri would be with you DAY ONE, we've got Josh Hawley.
North Carolina is, much like the US, an occupied territory. Our shitty ass politicians don't represent us.
Is anyone working on a recall effort of Cooper? Can be legally be recalled?
Imagine secession one by one until the day we reform a republic again rofl
...and then, when we have united again, a soyboy goes "Maybe we should try some socialism to help the less fortunate living in this new land" and that's when the constitutional beatings will begin.
I think the biggest problem is no punishment for going against the Constitution.
Whenever it's found a gun-control bill was unconstitutional, the person who suggested it should lose their seat. People should be terrified to go against the Constitution.
One can only dream.
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The individual can live alone. They can succeed in a sense. Government typically form to address the interactions of individuals, the negative ones in particular.
Assuming this is true, it's clear that it can and should function at a much smaller scale than 537 elected official ruling over 300 million
I remember reading somewhere that one of the first proposed amendments was making it so that every 60k people got represented by one person in congress. It comes out to close to 5666 elected officials today.
The total amount of seats in congress has not changed since 1960. Though, I do remember that the constitution says that you cannot have more representatives than 1/30000, besides that congress can expand apportionment at any time.
It is very hard, however, to predict the political consequences of expanding apportionment, which is why no one seems to touch it. Many would believe that it would assist the democrats, but it is likely that it would destroy both political parties, as they would have to manage a lot more campaigns. And things would most certainly slow to a crawl.
Sounds perfect.
Exactly. That was the original intention of the framers was to ensure it was difficult to pass anything to ensure a minority was represented. The uniparty has thrown that concept out the window.
Operation Rollin' Blockades. SLOW THIS SHIT STORM DOWN TO A CRAWL.
Ok, Murray. We were colonies and Republics before we decided to unite. We'll just kick it back to the good ole days.
Nah - just call it the United States. There's nothing 'united' about America now anyway. There's no reason you can't pass state laws to ignore the feds. Look at everything from Pot to Abortion. Even now there's States passing laws and amendments to ignore the new EOs coming out.
DC is done.
The little outliers that will be cut off from food and power we can call the Fake States (for as long as they exist - which wouldn't be long - people do nasty things to each other when they're starving to death.).
Most sane outlook I’ve seen here.
and sanctuary cities. a blatant violation
I like that. But I also kind of like The Federal Republic of Texas.
South Eastern New Mexico would join Texas in a blink of an eye, Biden killed the oil and gas industry there. The rest of NM is on the government tit, they wont join easily.
We don't even need secession. If every last locality in red in the 2025 frame actually manned-up and asserted their liberty against the tiny yellow areas TODAY we could choke them off and they'd be forced to bend the knee to OUR will. Not a single shot need be fired, warfare via commerce.
The Free Republic States will refer to the commie territories as the United Shitstains.
USSA
President of the US will be "fake and gay"
kek kek
But why Atlanta?!! 😭
So we can have an 'Escape From Atlanta' movie to go with 'Red Don'😁
Bomb Hollywood
Start a new movie industry
Based remakes + actual original content
FLORIDA REPORTING IN:
WE. ARE. WITH. YOU.
FL - TX alliance. Apes together stong
Assuming the USA doesn't declare war on anything that secedes from the nation. Supposedly secession is an act of war, but TX is special.
Independent Republic of Texas. 2021
The Atlantic Commonwealth and South Dakota. 2022
The Mississippi River Union. 2023
Central United States of North America and Alaska. 2024
IMPERIUM OF MAN. 2025
Our God Emperor will lead us to GLORIOUS VICTORIES, FOR AMERICA!!
we need a convention of states. violence wont get us anywhere with a corrupt media and DOJ.
2025 - Why Eastern Wisconsin including the Fox Valley but not Milwaukee or Dane counties? Unless you're very poor at drawing maps.
Will Dakota County Minnesota also be taken over by liberals, while giving up the Iron Range?
Otherwise the prognostication is accurate.
Yeah detroit is not the really shape/size either
Long Island goes red, too.
It kind of already has been taken over
If we keep the constitution. I’m in.Need some Trump walls around them cities.
We need some demographic ground rules, though.
If any agency or politician should seek to artificially or otherwise change the demographics of the nation, they should be considered a traitor and treated accordingly.
Remind me to move by 2025
Who will the military back. That is the question
Amen! Jefferson State checking in!! <3 MAGA2021
Add lake county (north of Chicago) to that list. They went red this year.
Fucking delaware.
How does Florida get in on it, though? As only Texas can "legally" secede. When they joined the union it was with the clause they could leave if they wanted.
That's why I'm shocked the Supreme Court snubbed Texas's court case...like they can fucking leave, they're the only state who can, too..
Any state can leave silly pede. The 13 colonies couldn'r secede either, yet they did.
How are you going to convince millions of Texans to give up their social security?
great im shit out of luck stuck in connecticut.
Sorry, Missouri wouldn't wait that long to join this process.
Secession is great and all, but I think your final map, without other changes, would lead to the same end. The real answer is smaller and less powerful federal government, and return to states rights. If I can move an hour away, to a new state, because my state is not governing the way I want, that's great. It allows people to vote with their feet. 50 state competition for successful people.
What we have now is there is very little that my state can do that greatly impacts my life because the federal government has so much more power. It's the reason the 10th amendment was written, and why it was butchered and ignored.
Lol me.....still stuck in yellow in 2025
There will be no separation of land mass from Alaska from the Free Republic States of America
BRAIN DRAIN THEM
Make this happen lol
Honestly, CA would probably be sooner than that.
Let’s go, so much fun in the red map!
Which color gets the keys to the air craft carriers and the nuclear launch codes?
I could live with this
Fuck off Washington and Greene county are nothing like the cucks up in Allegheny county(Pittsburgh)
I honestly prefer the name Jesus Land
I like the graphic but I believe they tried this before it was called ercot and look how well that turned out. If anything after all the federal aid texas is about to eat some federal ass soon.
WE keep the United States of America name. They hate America. They don't want the name. We keep it.
There is no process for secession without civil war.
False. See India, for instance. Lots of people have seceded without warfare.
Is India the US, retard?
Is the only time anyone ever seceded in the entire history of the world in 1865, when the South tried to leave the North?
That's....when the war ended, not when it started....
Right, 1861. Sorry.
The only time anyone seriously tried to secede from the US. The laws of other countries don't matter, and unless you can point me to where the law of the US has changed to allow secession, the precedent here has been set very clearly.
The "precedent" has nothing to do with secession. The states formally seceded. Had South Carolina (and other states) not gone all shooty-shooty on federal troops, President Lincoln would've had no case, since there was no "armed insurrection".
The British fired on US first. They sent the troops into the colonies with the specific intent to stop any "rebellion" (really, a secession.) Because of their hostile actions, it wasn't too hard for the Founding Fathers to get the people rallied behind their cause. And thanks to French assistance in the international scene, and the fact that GB couldn't spare the money or troops to put down the "insurrection" we won our freedom.
That is the precedent we will be citing. We will declare ourselves free and sovereign, unencumbered by "Tradition" except the tradition of God-given rights, and those trampled upon!
If they attack us, then they can have their war, but public sentiment will be on our side.
This. People don't realize that the cost of being the "just cause" is that you have to allow the other side to commit the first "evil" act that crosses the line. Only 3% of the population fought against the British in the revolution. If the colonials had "fired the first shot", they would have lost the support of the rest of the population and would have lost the war. If anyone kicks off a hot war right now, they will be painted as extremists by a media and government that CURRENTLY still is the main source of information for MOST people. Get involved in local politics, that's where we need to make an effort. If our opponents decide to escalate things, then that is on them, but as of this moment, we still have political options.
I doubt that. Even among the states that would try to secede, opinion is going to be torn (let alone the remaining states), and the majority of the military would definitely side with the fed. There's no way you secede without doing a shooty-shooty at at least some fed troops or workers who decide to resist, and that's the end. You're not fighting a military power on the other side of an ocean that's seriously committed elsewhere, you're fighting the most powerful military in history on their own territory where they have intimate knowledge of the land, control of interstate infrastructure, the same basic culture, so on. Even if a rebellion wasn't immediately crushed, the US would make sure it'd be a pariah state on the level of North Korea for existing.
Let me spell it out for you.
Scenario 1: Texas holds a statewide referendum, and votes to secede by a majority. The legislature ratifies it, sends a letter, signed by the governor, to Congress noting that the people wish to secede. Congress decides to reject the proposal. So Texas announces that due to whatever reason it can come up with, they are seceding anyway. They reach out again to congress, asking for an amicable departure, and willing to apportion assets accordingly. After Congress rebuffs them, Texas begins escorting federal agents to the border of Texas, and builds a wall around the border, carefully checking papers of people that come and go for citizenship in Texas. Federal agents who try to enforce federal laws in Texas are detained by police, and peacefully escorted to the border, and Texas petitions the United States to stop interfering with their business. Texas takes no other aggressive action, not even seizing any assets of the federal government. After 10 years or so of self-rule, eventually the federal government relents and works out how to allocate the assets and such from Texas.
Scenario 2: Same as above, except the agents that Texas arrest become violent, and shoot at the Texas state troopers or local police. Several Texas officers are injured or killed. Texas demands that the federal government stand down, that they are not recognized inside their borders anymore. The federal government sends in federal troops to do what exactly? Occupy the capitol? Protect the agents? Shoot "rebel leaders"? The world looks on in horror as atrocities are committed in the name of the United States against the people of Texas. Or maybe they do nothing and just stand there? When someone is arrested by a federal agent, the person insists that they are not part of the United States and do not recognize the federal courts. Now they are political prisoners, same as Gandhi. Eventually, the people of Texas say "Enough!" and deploy their military in aggressive activities against the US, with the sole intention of being left alone. Calling on foreign powers for assistance, we engage in Civil War, except the federal troops are not in friendly territory. Imagine Afghanistan except the Afghanis are modern warriors with modern military tactics and an understanding of things like cyber warfare and propaganda. How will this end?
Scenario 3: Same as above, except instead of giving the federal government time to form a response, Texas goes immediately in, guns blazing. They pile the corpses of the federal troops and agents sky high, bragging about how many they have killed, and showing off all the money they looted from the federal agencies. POTUS declares an insurrection in Texas and waves the bloody shirt of the atrocities committed by Texas against the United States. How will this end?
Which scenario is most likely? Which scenario ends with Texas seceding or Texas staying?
Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq will disagree.