The only time anyone seriously tried to secede from the US. The laws of other countries don't matter, and unless you can point me to where the law of the US has changed to allow secession, the precedent here has been set very clearly.
The "precedent" has nothing to do with secession. The states formally seceded. Had South Carolina (and other states) not gone all shooty-shooty on federal troops, President Lincoln would've had no case, since there was no "armed insurrection".
The British fired on US first. They sent the troops into the colonies with the specific intent to stop any "rebellion" (really, a secession.) Because of their hostile actions, it wasn't too hard for the Founding Fathers to get the people rallied behind their cause. And thanks to French assistance in the international scene, and the fact that GB couldn't spare the money or troops to put down the "insurrection" we won our freedom.
That is the precedent we will be citing. We will declare ourselves free and sovereign, unencumbered by "Tradition" except the tradition of God-given rights, and those trampled upon!
If they attack us, then they can have their war, but public sentiment will be on our side.
This. People don't realize that the cost of being the "just cause" is that you have to allow the other side to commit the first "evil" act that crosses the line. Only 3% of the population fought against the British in the revolution. If the colonials had "fired the first shot", they would have lost the support of the rest of the population and would have lost the war. If anyone kicks off a hot war right now, they will be painted as extremists by a media and government that CURRENTLY still is the main source of information for MOST people. Get involved in local politics, that's where we need to make an effort. If our opponents decide to escalate things, then that is on them, but as of this moment, we still have political options.
I doubt that. Even among the states that would try to secede, opinion is going to be torn (let alone the remaining states), and the majority of the military would definitely side with the fed. There's no way you secede without doing a shooty-shooty at at least some fed troops or workers who decide to resist, and that's the end. You're not fighting a military power on the other side of an ocean that's seriously committed elsewhere, you're fighting the most powerful military in history on their own territory where they have intimate knowledge of the land, control of interstate infrastructure, the same basic culture, so on. Even if a rebellion wasn't immediately crushed, the US would make sure it'd be a pariah state on the level of North Korea for existing.
Is India the US, retard?
Is the only time anyone ever seceded in the entire history of the world in 1865, when the South tried to leave the North?
That's....when the war ended, not when it started....
Right, 1861. Sorry.
The only time anyone seriously tried to secede from the US. The laws of other countries don't matter, and unless you can point me to where the law of the US has changed to allow secession, the precedent here has been set very clearly.
The "precedent" has nothing to do with secession. The states formally seceded. Had South Carolina (and other states) not gone all shooty-shooty on federal troops, President Lincoln would've had no case, since there was no "armed insurrection".
The British fired on US first. They sent the troops into the colonies with the specific intent to stop any "rebellion" (really, a secession.) Because of their hostile actions, it wasn't too hard for the Founding Fathers to get the people rallied behind their cause. And thanks to French assistance in the international scene, and the fact that GB couldn't spare the money or troops to put down the "insurrection" we won our freedom.
That is the precedent we will be citing. We will declare ourselves free and sovereign, unencumbered by "Tradition" except the tradition of God-given rights, and those trampled upon!
If they attack us, then they can have their war, but public sentiment will be on our side.
This. People don't realize that the cost of being the "just cause" is that you have to allow the other side to commit the first "evil" act that crosses the line. Only 3% of the population fought against the British in the revolution. If the colonials had "fired the first shot", they would have lost the support of the rest of the population and would have lost the war. If anyone kicks off a hot war right now, they will be painted as extremists by a media and government that CURRENTLY still is the main source of information for MOST people. Get involved in local politics, that's where we need to make an effort. If our opponents decide to escalate things, then that is on them, but as of this moment, we still have political options.
I doubt that. Even among the states that would try to secede, opinion is going to be torn (let alone the remaining states), and the majority of the military would definitely side with the fed. There's no way you secede without doing a shooty-shooty at at least some fed troops or workers who decide to resist, and that's the end. You're not fighting a military power on the other side of an ocean that's seriously committed elsewhere, you're fighting the most powerful military in history on their own territory where they have intimate knowledge of the land, control of interstate infrastructure, the same basic culture, so on. Even if a rebellion wasn't immediately crushed, the US would make sure it'd be a pariah state on the level of North Korea for existing.