This, but unironically. Stop asking for free shit & regulations, and maybe the government wouldn't have so much authority over you.
Responsibility and authority go hand in hand. If you make the government responsible for you, you give them authority over you. People are children who want free shit but don't want to be ruled over at the same time. Medicare, subsidies, food stamps, welfsre, all of that shit has to go.
I don’t know about this theory, I think the Phoenicians may have been actual jews, they came from the same region of the world, and both were merchants.
I just don’t think they acknowledge it because Carthaginians were known for sacrificing children and such.
Phoenicians were not jews. There's nothing in the archaeology or DNA or cultures to suggest this. And it wasn't just Carthage that was denounced, their whole religion was denounced by the jews, as the practiced temple prostitution, and a quaint ceremony I forget the name of that were basically fire pits to throw your children into, to appease their gods.
Jews: hill semites.
Phoenicians: coastal semites.
Shared DNA - completely different cultures. But people see "semite" and think "jew", not what the word actually means.
Also, all cultures had merchants. Selling things is not a defining feature just for jews. Money lending was, later on.
The Democrats have been doing this already with their Super Delegates. Bernie never had a chance, even though he easily was beating Hillary in the primaries.
true. like this statement is not the reason why Biden was "voted" into office. 70+ year old oligarchs who have net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars, but only make ~$200k per year. They must have great investment advisors.
There was someone on here last week actually arguing that we should pay politicians a lot more money, so they wouldn't need to be corrupted. Then there's people who want to pay criminals not to commit crimes. These people are retarded and insane!
There is some logic behind it if it came with substantial strings. If there was a law that paid the POTUS or VPOTUS something like $10 million and simultaneously prevented them and their families from substantial outside business interests (including after they left office) it would probably do a lot to clean up the swamp. It’s disgusting to think about having to set up such a system, but I think politics would be a lot cleaner if we got rid of politburos and their family members getting lucrative “asset management” or “consulting agreements” or “book deals” while in office or right after they leave. The problem now is it is far more lucrative selling out the public than it is to be an honest public servant.
Yeah, you're probably right. I have very little faith in the apparatus to actually enforce whatever restrictions such a hypothetical law would entail. Guh.
Also we have a dedicated group investigating them. They make 75k a year with a 250,000$ bonus for every conviction.
If they are found to be knowingly getting wrongful convictions, they are to be imprisoned for life in leavenworth breaking rocks and everything they own will or gave away to friends and family in the last 10 years is taken by the state and given to the family of the victim.
Their wife and children will be given a spot in welfare housing and their name changed.
The guilty will be assigned a serial number and their name stricken from all record.
Well, given that 90% of the political elite are corrupt (there are some new enough to still be clean), that you could run for office and get your chance.
The fallacy with that plan is that no amount is enough. It's not just money that drives people like this, but power, prestige, control, etc.. There aren't a lot of retired billionaires.
Which is why I said it would have to have substantial strings attached. Right now the grift is in broad daylight. Hunter's kid on the Burisma board. Pelosi's husband "managing investments." Mike Obama getting that $250k no show job when Barry was a senator. There are all kinds of examples. But as things stand now, you have the politburos saying "my family has to make money, too." That is a path to sell these people out. Of course, in order to work such a law would need to actually be enforced, which I'm not sure it would be.
Paying politicians less than a dentist, and then wondering why they're corrupted, is the same sort of reasoning as prohibiting Catholic priests to marry, and then wondering why they're pedophiles and pedophile enablers.
Protestant priests somehow do not seem to have the same pedophilia problem. I wonder why that is.
Rubbish horrible analogy. We dont hire priests. Again, get rid of the lobbyists and other incentives. Politicians are there to serve us, period. That's the job, take it or leave it.
OK, good luck with your politicians! They seem to be serving great.
Related experience with accountants: I went through multiple cheap firms before I determined they're either incompetent and/or crooks. Only then did I go for the ones that are 5x as expensive, but they know their business and do the job right, with the i's and t's crossed.
You can't get fucking competent people for $200k. Not as lawyers, even less politics. So don't complain when you get what you pay for. You may say you want competent public servants, but your revealed preference shows that you prefer Mitch, Pelosi and AOC.
More rubbish. Trump worked for free. There are plenty of patriots out there who care more about their country than money. We have to facilitate them, not throw money at the problem, like the Left does to every issue, unsuccessfully, I might add.
The one politician in decades who did so, and who had to be a billionaire to afford it. How many like that do you expect?
Do you expect your lawyers to work pro bono as well?
Good luck getting all those people fighting tooth and nail to represent you for free.
They do fight for it, but it's a racket: they're all bad choices, and they use the power you give them for corruption and insider trading. And you simply don't have better choices because you're not paying enough. You beg to be screwed, then complain there's no lube.
Meanwhile, paying them well would cost you literally nothing. The federal budget would hardly increase. In fact it would decrease, because competent people who are paid above the board would manage the government competently.
Jeff Bezos probably wrote it originally to say he should choose and be our supreme ruler, but someone in WaPo said it was a bad idea, so they wrote this.
They only promoted Trump because they thought, for sure, he would lose to the Wicked Witch of the West, otherwise he would have been disappeared off the air waves.
This is from a year ago and talks about the primary process for democrats is flawed, "the conversation about nominations has been about the conflicts between party elites and everyone else." They say entering the race is a low bar as long as you have a decent following (like buttigieg or sanders).
They propose a preference primary, a sort of exit poll, that is non binding but informs the elites who voters prefer.
Yes it's stupid, and they did this anyway when they screwed Bernie in 2016 the first time, but this isn't as sinister as you're making it out to be. (Which is probably why you hid the source and date)
He did get screwed in 2016. I don't think was "IN ON" taking a dive on 6 coinflips or DWS conspiring to keep him from winning or them changing the rules. In 2020, Bernie screwed himself because he thought it was better to take an administration job than weaken Biden by fighting back, so in that sense he did sell out.
I would humbly recommend to anyone interested in the topic of governance by experts read "The New Authoritarianism" by Salvatore Babones. It's a relatively short, unbiased look at the increasing authority placed in unelected (and un-answerable) 'experts' at the expense of the democratic process. It juxtaposes this trend against the election of Donald Trump in 2016. If I had to sum up the book, it's a look at the egalitarian trying to ...fortify (:D) society against its self vs. the idea of people getting what they vote for even if they "get it good and hard".
I was a smart-ass about the people "getting what they voted for, and getting it good and hard" until it turned out Trump was the best President in several decades, and by a wide margin.
Now it seems pretty clear that the accusation of "populism!" actually means "but muh special interests!"
And now it's obvious just how much effort goes into ensuring that the voters don't have a choice, otherwise they will see it and use it.
I bet she hasn't even studied her American history or WHY the caucusing system (y'know - where the political party fat cats - EG... the elites leveraged their power to be kingmakers of a sort) was dismantled in favor of the primary system we have today in the early 1900s and the evolution of which led to open primaries.
Part of this movement is why we also (stupidly I think) elect senators now like house representatives instead of having state legislatures elect them as STATE representatives)
The whole point was to get "parties" out of the system and make the whole process less beholden to the elites (and we see how that's turned out)
But then, those who don't study history and are given participation trophies for reading Howard Zinn are doomed to repeat it.
They are still very wrong and thinking that is very dangerous to our Republic. Education about our government has been non-existent for quite some time, by design.
I wonder what the authors thoughts on the electoral collage or only land owners originally being allowed to vote is?
Plus, this is like the opposite of critical theory, so I'm actually shocked. But critical theory is such a contradictory mess they can find some way to justify it.
They already do have a bigger say, even if they don't deserve it. A celebrity endorsement probably moves more votes towards their preferred candidate than the actual policy that will help the voters. Think of how many black people voted for Biden despite his 1994 crime bill and the prison reform Trump put in place because someone like The Rock endorsed Biden, for example.
Big tech and the MSM suppressing stories they don't like, such as the Hunter Biden story, probably move even more votes towards their preferred candidate.
But nothing is worse than the ones so brazen to bribe people to "find" votes for their preferred candidate if the above isn't enough to put their guy in office.
Because The Elites are so....................much BETTER?
Not accepting the judgements of our superiors is a violation of the new Joe Crow Laws.
They know better.
We’re the children and they’re the parents who have to decide what’s best for us.
I don't wanna be a child with democrats around living in fear of being raped by every one of em
This, but unironically. Stop asking for free shit & regulations, and maybe the government wouldn't have so much authority over you.
Responsibility and authority go hand in hand. If you make the government responsible for you, you give them authority over you. People are children who want free shit but don't want to be ruled over at the same time. Medicare, subsidies, food stamps, welfsre, all of that shit has to go.
Close. What they are achieving is our servitude. They are the masters, we are their servants.
Inbred Canaanites and Kharzas*
I don’t know about this theory, I think the Phoenicians may have been actual jews, they came from the same region of the world, and both were merchants.
I just don’t think they acknowledge it because Carthaginians were known for sacrificing children and such.
Phoenicians were not jews. There's nothing in the archaeology or DNA or cultures to suggest this. And it wasn't just Carthage that was denounced, their whole religion was denounced by the jews, as the practiced temple prostitution, and a quaint ceremony I forget the name of that were basically fire pits to throw your children into, to appease their gods.
Jews: hill semites. Phoenicians: coastal semites.
Shared DNA - completely different cultures. But people see "semite" and think "jew", not what the word actually means.
Also, all cultures had merchants. Selling things is not a defining feature just for jews. Money lending was, later on.
The Democrats have been doing this already with their Super Delegates. Bernie never had a chance, even though he easily was beating Hillary in the primaries.
true. like this statement is not the reason why Biden was "voted" into office. 70+ year old oligarchs who have net worth of hundreds of millions of dollars, but only make ~$200k per year. They must have great investment advisors.
Soft feelers for, "Who should be named king??"
There was someone on here last week actually arguing that we should pay politicians a lot more money, so they wouldn't need to be corrupted. Then there's people who want to pay criminals not to commit crimes. These people are retarded and insane!
There is some logic behind it if it came with substantial strings. If there was a law that paid the POTUS or VPOTUS something like $10 million and simultaneously prevented them and their families from substantial outside business interests (including after they left office) it would probably do a lot to clean up the swamp. It’s disgusting to think about having to set up such a system, but I think politics would be a lot cleaner if we got rid of politburos and their family members getting lucrative “asset management” or “consulting agreements” or “book deals” while in office or right after they leave. The problem now is it is far more lucrative selling out the public than it is to be an honest public servant.
Biden would take that $10 million and still pocket the $40 million from the CCP. If you're corrupt, you're corrupt.
Yeah, you're probably right. I have very little faith in the apparatus to actually enforce whatever restrictions such a hypothetical law would entail. Guh.
I like my method better.
Make all crimes by elected and appointed official treason. Crimes of corruption inside their organization count against them.
Treason is punished by firing squad.
Firing squad is selected at random out of elected and appointed officials.
Refusal to participate means they go up against the wall.
Yeah, this sounds great, but would very soon get twisted in favor of the Swamp.
Imagine that anyone from Trump administration who got prosecuted, investigated, disbarred or impeached is now headed for a death sentence.
I like that
Also we have a dedicated group investigating them. They make 75k a year with a 250,000$ bonus for every conviction.
If they are found to be knowingly getting wrongful convictions, they are to be imprisoned for life in leavenworth breaking rocks and everything they own will or gave away to friends and family in the last 10 years is taken by the state and given to the family of the victim.
Their wife and children will be given a spot in welfare housing and their name changed.
The guilty will be assigned a serial number and their name stricken from all record.
Awww can't the firing squad be citizens?
We never get anything cool :(
Well, given that 90% of the political elite are corrupt (there are some new enough to still be clean), that you could run for office and get your chance.
Thats true without their speaking fees and lobbying money they wouldn't even bother running. Lots of jobs would open up
The fallacy with that plan is that no amount is enough. It's not just money that drives people like this, but power, prestige, control, etc.. There aren't a lot of retired billionaires.
You’re an idiot if you think a $10m salary would change a thing with a sociopath.
Which is why I said it would have to have substantial strings attached. Right now the grift is in broad daylight. Hunter's kid on the Burisma board. Pelosi's husband "managing investments." Mike Obama getting that $250k no show job when Barry was a senator. There are all kinds of examples. But as things stand now, you have the politburos saying "my family has to make money, too." That is a path to sell these people out. Of course, in order to work such a law would need to actually be enforced, which I'm not sure it would be.
if we got rid of subsidies and crony deals. And then installed term limits and limited access to those in DOJ, it would clean up government a lot.
They already get all the money they would ever need in Congress
They would still become corrupt because it is NEVER enough o matter how much more they get
And here I am thinking we should put tony bombs in the brains if politicians that blow up if enough people vote for it.
Paying politicians less than a dentist, and then wondering why they're corrupted, is the same sort of reasoning as prohibiting Catholic priests to marry, and then wondering why they're pedophiles and pedophile enablers.
Protestant priests somehow do not seem to have the same pedophilia problem. I wonder why that is.
Rubbish horrible analogy. We dont hire priests. Again, get rid of the lobbyists and other incentives. Politicians are there to serve us, period. That's the job, take it or leave it.
OK, good luck with your politicians! They seem to be serving great.
Related experience with accountants: I went through multiple cheap firms before I determined they're either incompetent and/or crooks. Only then did I go for the ones that are 5x as expensive, but they know their business and do the job right, with the i's and t's crossed.
You can't get fucking competent people for $200k. Not as lawyers, even less politics. So don't complain when you get what you pay for. You may say you want competent public servants, but your revealed preference shows that you prefer Mitch, Pelosi and AOC.
More rubbish. Trump worked for free. There are plenty of patriots out there who care more about their country than money. We have to facilitate them, not throw money at the problem, like the Left does to every issue, unsuccessfully, I might add.
The one politician in decades who did so, and who had to be a billionaire to afford it. How many like that do you expect?
Do you expect your lawyers to work pro bono as well?
Good luck getting all those people fighting tooth and nail to represent you for free.
They do fight for it, but it's a racket: they're all bad choices, and they use the power you give them for corruption and insider trading. And you simply don't have better choices because you're not paying enough. You beg to be screwed, then complain there's no lube.
Meanwhile, paying them well would cost you literally nothing. The federal budget would hardly increase. In fact it would decrease, because competent people who are paid above the board would manage the government competently.
Nah, pay them less money. Remember when being politician wasn't a job? That's because the pay was shit!
Who wrote this trash?
BTW you can use Archive.is or Outline.com to prevent the article getting link-clicks
Probably Piggy Noonan from the WSJ
Now they changed it to "switch to preference primaries"
Jeff Bezos probably wrote it originally to say he should choose and be our supreme ruler, but someone in WaPo said it was a bad idea, so they wrote this.
HONK HONK!!!
Honestly, I don’t think anyone here would even wipe their ass with this trash!
DEMOCRACYTHE REPUBLIC DIES IN DARKNESS INDEED!!!Democracy dies in plain sight to thunderous applause by congress
Let Democracy die.
That's pretty much the only way a democracy or Republic CAN die.
https://archive.is/Pve3F
archive.is article
Look at the history. They've changed it several times. Not the headline is "It's Time to Switch to Preference Primaries"
https://archive.is/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/18/fix-primaries-let-elites-decide/
It's so bullshit. yeah
Because people just read the headline
How does this site work? Can I archive anything?
https://archive.is/
yes
thx
TLDR: a bunch of bullshit
Superdelegates, anyone?
In other words, the Democrat Party is actually a private undemocratic institution that hand-picks its presidential nominees.
The media already chooses who the primary candidates are by their fake polls.
They only promoted Trump because they thought, for sure, he would lose to the Wicked Witch of the West, otherwise he would have been disappeared off the air waves.
Choosing..it's not elected anymore.
The saying is "Selected not Elected"
I refuse to ever refer to these people as "elite".
TPTB
It's time we allowed Jeff Bezos to make more money!
TF you going on about? I swear you Q-tard morons are so thick. Y'all couldn't run a lemonade stand let alone this country.
Well, they don't have to run a lemonade stand. It is secretly run for them by the military!
The proceeds will come in, and they will be glorious. Just wait! 😁
Two more weeks right? Right????
I wish 😞
Democracy dies in darkness is not a warning against darkness. It's actually their mission statement.
What, give them a bigger say than they already have? They chose Joe Biden, we didn't even get a say.
This is from a year ago and talks about the primary process for democrats is flawed, "the conversation about nominations has been about the conflicts between party elites and everyone else." They say entering the race is a low bar as long as you have a decent following (like buttigieg or sanders).
They propose a preference primary, a sort of exit poll, that is non binding but informs the elites who voters prefer.
Yes it's stupid, and they did this anyway when they screwed Bernie in 2016 the first time, but this isn't as sinister as you're making it out to be. (Which is probably why you hid the source and date)
The title is real.
https://archive.is/Pve3F
And they did change the title stealthily afterwards
Bernie didn't get screwed, he was IN ON IT. He sold out. Typical leftist scum.
And two lawsuits ruled that the Democrat party, as a private corporation, could rig their primaries and choose candidates any way they saw fit.
He did get screwed in 2016. I don't think was "IN ON" taking a dive on 6 coinflips or DWS conspiring to keep him from winning or them changing the rules. In 2020, Bernie screwed himself because he thought it was better to take an administration job than weaken Biden by fighting back, so in that sense he did sell out.
No, Bernie SOLD out. For $$$. The COMMUNIST POS was in on it. FFS.
Thanks for taking the time to read my comment and disagree with me agreeing with you. I've never seen that happen before now. Truly, thanks.
You did not agree with me. WTF are you smoking? Try reading my post again. FFS.
Try reading mine before spouting off with nonsense.
You DID NOT agree with me fucktard.
I would humbly recommend to anyone interested in the topic of governance by experts read "The New Authoritarianism" by Salvatore Babones. It's a relatively short, unbiased look at the increasing authority placed in unelected (and un-answerable) 'experts' at the expense of the democratic process. It juxtaposes this trend against the election of Donald Trump in 2016. If I had to sum up the book, it's a look at the egalitarian trying to ...fortify (:D) society against its self vs. the idea of people getting what they vote for even if they "get it good and hard".
I was a smart-ass about the people "getting what they voted for, and getting it good and hard" until it turned out Trump was the best President in several decades, and by a wide margin.
Now it seems pretty clear that the accusation of "populism!" actually means "but muh special interests!"
And now it's obvious just how much effort goes into ensuring that the voters don't have a choice, otherwise they will see it and use it.
Why should they hide it? To date they've gotten away with blatantly rigging a presidential election
we're just plebs in the eyes of the richest people. We're not human but a number.
No actually it's time to get rid of the elites!
Well, they already did this "election". In fact, they got the only say.
Old
Good LORD that's hilarious!
I bet she hasn't even studied her American history or WHY the caucusing system (y'know - where the political party fat cats - EG... the elites leveraged their power to be kingmakers of a sort) was dismantled in favor of the primary system we have today in the early 1900s and the evolution of which led to open primaries.
Part of this movement is why we also (stupidly I think) elect senators now like house representatives instead of having state legislatures elect them as STATE representatives) The whole point was to get "parties" out of the system and make the whole process less beholden to the elites (and we see how that's turned out)
But then, those who don't study history and are given participation trophies for reading Howard Zinn are doomed to repeat it.
"Democracy dies in darkness" isn't a warning. It's their goal.
No, they want to set up an actual democracy and destroy our Republic.
A lot of people, liberal and conservative alike, think "Democracy=people voting."
That's why they call us a "democracy" instead of a Republic.
They are still very wrong and thinking that is very dangerous to our Republic. Education about our government has been non-existent for quite some time, by design.
Infiltration instead of invasion.
Didn't they already do this with the past election?
Isn't that how Xiden got here in the first place?
And they changed the headlines at least 3 times and 4th to add "opinion"...
https://archive.is/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/18/fix-primaries-let-elites-decide/
Donald Trump is elite af. If your ok with him picking your president then I’m ok with that.
We're already in an Oligarchy it's just being exposed
Because we're too STUPID to know which one is the better President.
I wish I could feel doubtful that this is a faked headline.
Isn't that what they just did?
So land-owning males?
I agree.
Wait, a bigger say than they already do? What is this madness?
That's how it originally started. Only land owners as they were tax payers.
IIRC it used to be white male landowners.
Can you honestly say that 2020 was a better system ???
I'm pretty sure this is a year or two old...but still carries weight
It’s time to give the elites a first row seat to a nice firing squad. WHERE IS OUR FUCKING MILITARY!?
why? so they can fuck up the world with their inefficiency even MORE than they already have?
Turns out, by 'bigger' they meant 100%
I wonder what the authors thoughts on the electoral collage or only land owners originally being allowed to vote is?
Plus, this is like the opposite of critical theory, so I'm actually shocked. But critical theory is such a contradictory mess they can find some way to justify it.
2020 But it still relevant
Didn’t Time admit they already control everything?
They should get 1000000 votes since they're 1000000 times richer!
Sigh.... i'm going to take a wild... WILD guess here... The writer is jewish...
Muh Philospher Kings!
They already do have a bigger say, even if they don't deserve it. A celebrity endorsement probably moves more votes towards their preferred candidate than the actual policy that will help the voters. Think of how many black people voted for Biden despite his 1994 crime bill and the prison reform Trump put in place because someone like The Rock endorsed Biden, for example.
Big tech and the MSM suppressing stories they don't like, such as the Hunter Biden story, probably move even more votes towards their preferred candidate.
But nothing is worse than the ones so brazen to bribe people to "find" votes for their preferred candidate if the above isn't enough to put their guy in office.
Saved
These people, they're fucking ill. Seriously.
They are evil, not ill.
Both, I'd say.
You have to be quite ill, to be this evil.
So yeah, I agree, both.
I will have to agree with that.
Some animals are more equal than others.