It's that whole Turn The Other Cheek bs. Also the fact that most church congregations see themselves as a flock. Not a pride. A flock. A flock of closed eye, head nodding, hand swaying in the air, bleating sheep waiting for Jesus to take the wheel and assuring each other that it's all "In God's Hands".
Taken in context, "turn the other cheek" isn't unconditional passivity. It's a reminder to be willing to restrain our pride. God and Church, family and country are to be protected ferociously.
Mebbe so but it's not how it's always taught. My dad was a preacher. In our home, turn the other cheek meant exactly that. If someone hit you, you backed down. Better still, you embraced them, even if they kept hitting you.
That may have had more to do with our dad being an abusive asshole who didn't want his kids hitting back than any religious beliefs he held, but it was definitely the party line at church.
That's not what it meant at all. People often leave out the time period in which this was said. Slapping someone with the back of your hand was an act that was down from a superior to an inferior, while you only slapped someone with the open palm of your hand if you acknowledged them as your equal. So when you get back handed, you turn the other cheek, daring them to slap you again, this time with their palm, and acknowledge you as an equal. It was a way for a slave to show defiance.
Here's another. Jesus said if you have to carry a soldier's gear for a mile, carry it for two. Again, he's speaking to those that were slaves. What is the meaning of this though? Well, the soldiers were allowed to have their slaves carry their gear for 1 mile, but not more because the Romans believed that more than that would make the soldier soft. So you find yourself a slave to one of these soldiers and he orders you to carry his pack. You carry it and the hour ends, but instead of giving it back, you keep on carrying it. Then the soldier's officer notices this and the soldier gets his ass reamed for defying orders.
Jesus taught us methods of fighting back against oppressors when we find ourselves without power. He did not teach us to be weak.
Dude, Christianity grew incredibly fast, because life was barbaric and folks were cruel and Jesus offered a much better way of life based largely on love and forgiveness. Many of his early followers were martyred in horrific ways and they went out like absolute champions, praising and thanking their God, forgiving the wicked folks that did that to them and singing and people were beyond touched by something so powerful and pretty much converted on the spot. I think Christ is tremendous because of his love and forgiveness and we can't ever forget that, but just because we believe that doesn't mean we have to be weak. We hold ourselves to a higher standard then the folks that might persecute us and I don't see that as weakness, but strength from and in faith in our lord.
It's that whole Turn The Other Cheek bs. Also the fact that most church congregations see themselves as a flock. Not a pride. A flock. A flock of closed eye, head nodding, hand swaying in the air, bleating sheep waiting for Jesus to take the wheel and assuring each other that it's all "In God's Hands".
Yes I loathe the passivity.
Taken in context, "turn the other cheek" isn't unconditional passivity. It's a reminder to be willing to restrain our pride. God and Church, family and country are to be protected ferociously.
Mebbe so but it's not how it's always taught. My dad was a preacher. In our home, turn the other cheek meant exactly that. If someone hit you, you backed down. Better still, you embraced them, even if they kept hitting you.
That may have had more to do with our dad being an abusive asshole who didn't want his kids hitting back than any religious beliefs he held, but it was definitely the party line at church.
And that's why personal interpretation of Scripture is so dangerous. Peter himself warned against this. The word of God can be difficult to interpret.
Sorry to hear about your past friend, but at least your eyes are open. Viva Cristo Rey!
That's not what it meant at all. People often leave out the time period in which this was said. Slapping someone with the back of your hand was an act that was down from a superior to an inferior, while you only slapped someone with the open palm of your hand if you acknowledged them as your equal. So when you get back handed, you turn the other cheek, daring them to slap you again, this time with their palm, and acknowledge you as an equal. It was a way for a slave to show defiance.
Here's another. Jesus said if you have to carry a soldier's gear for a mile, carry it for two. Again, he's speaking to those that were slaves. What is the meaning of this though? Well, the soldiers were allowed to have their slaves carry their gear for 1 mile, but not more because the Romans believed that more than that would make the soldier soft. So you find yourself a slave to one of these soldiers and he orders you to carry his pack. You carry it and the hour ends, but instead of giving it back, you keep on carrying it. Then the soldier's officer notices this and the soldier gets his ass reamed for defying orders.
Jesus taught us methods of fighting back against oppressors when we find ourselves without power. He did not teach us to be weak.
Dude, Christianity grew incredibly fast, because life was barbaric and folks were cruel and Jesus offered a much better way of life based largely on love and forgiveness. Many of his early followers were martyred in horrific ways and they went out like absolute champions, praising and thanking their God, forgiving the wicked folks that did that to them and singing and people were beyond touched by something so powerful and pretty much converted on the spot. I think Christ is tremendous because of his love and forgiveness and we can't ever forget that, but just because we believe that doesn't mean we have to be weak. We hold ourselves to a higher standard then the folks that might persecute us and I don't see that as weakness, but strength from and in faith in our lord.
"pray as if everything depends on God. Work as if everything depends on you." Augustine of Hippo.
I turn my cheek. I'm not able to turn anyone else's.