As a woman, if a guy isn’t understanding or sympathetic when I’m upset, that’s a major turn off. Obviously I don’t want them to be a push over. Just sensitive to serious things like a death in the family, losing a job, dealing with personal issues, etc. When they tell me to “get over it” I immediately shut myself off and don’t want to tell them anything ever again. I do prefer them to lead in a relationship though. I’m tired of men who never want to make the first move or take any risks. They suck.
There's a reason why men don't take risks. Right now dating is heavily tilted against men. Women generally have a much easier time dating since all they have to do is make a dating profile and they'll get hundreds and thousands of matches. Generally a woman has multiple men giving her attention at the same time while the average men's sex life is as dry as the Sahara desert. An intelligent man(not necessarily attractive but intelligent) who realizes this will feel less motivated to try since he knows that there's less benefit for him and a much higher risk. Also the woman would actually have to be worth something for a worthwhile man to want to risk something for her. The general degenerate man who is horny and wants to fuck whatever he can get his dick into will always take risks because there's nothing to lose.
There's a reason why men don't take risks. Right now dating is heavily tilted against men.
No real man would ever be swayed by an argument like this. A man will sway dating back to his favor. If you are able to do that, then you will be surrounded by women who respect you. Why are you unable to sway dating back to your favor?
I’ve dated lots of shitlibs but I have a few principles:
Never ever let anyone talk shit about my President or any politics for that matter. If someone talks nonsensical bullshit, then they will be met with serious force.
If the woman or her friends or family ever say anything disrespectful or act unkindly, they will be met with force.
If I have the slightest fear that the woman I want to marry might screw me, so I might have to sign a prenup, I’m not going to marry that girl. The woman I marry will be one who I wholeheartedly trust. No slimebag ho who flirts with the bartender while I’m not looking.
In the event that all my judgement has failed, and I get screwed over by alimony/divorce later on, that is my cross to bear. Despite all of my efforts, God has judged that it is my Ides of March. So I will bear this cross and do whatever it takes to lighten the burden, but I will persevere.
Stop being a weak coward and go out there. Being unmarried and childless is far scarier. Being childless especially leaves your duty towards society and your ancestors unfulfilled. Where is your drive to preserve your bloodline? While Muslims and the like multiply like rabbits, you are worried about life being unfair to you.
Good luck with your fantasies. The real world does not bend to our will. You've been watching too many hollywood movies. Also I'm probably 2x the man you are with a larger income than you. There's no way I'm going to give my assets to a woman who will divorce me and take 50% of my shit and fuck me in the ass with alimony. 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman.
We live in a society that favors women and punishes men. You can be a pussy worshipper and place your value on pussy and evaluate yourself on whether women like you or not. Women need men for survival. Men do not need women.
Your attempts in shaming me into reproducing will not work since I have too much to lose and nothing to gain. Childless? Please. Even the bible says some men are born to be enunchs. That's a harsh reality. In order for there to be winners, there must be losers. There's no participation award. You're either a winner or a loser.
Ah sorry. I don't think we are on the same wavelength. This is one of those conversations which will turn into ad hominems real quick. You will never understand me or my points, so let's call it a day.
One question though.
You said earlier:
The general degenerate man who is horny and wants to fuck whatever he can get his dick into will always take risks because there's nothing to lose.
And then you also said:
Women need men for survival. Men do not need women.
So you're going to be celibate? Or are you going to be a degenerate man who fucks whatever you can get your dick into? Or are you going to fuck only the women you deem worthy? Or are you going to choose a single woman to fuck for the rest of your life?
A much easier time dating? LOL. Unless I wanted to date a total creep who would take any female that breathes, it is NOT easy for us either. Guys in my generation don’t know what the hell they want, play hot and cold, and are too immature to pursue a real relationship like 90% of the time. I’m still looking for the exception
No....no it really isn't. I don't know how an early 2000s UGK/TI Rapper term turned into something that 20-year-old White girls who read Cosmo flippantly throw out there, but no, "fuckboi" (fuck ass nigga --> fuck nigga --> fuck boy) never has and never will catch on being used like that.
85% of women today, their top hobbies are travelling, watching Netflix, raves/concerts, twerk, be bisexual, eat hot chip and lie. Dead ass. Those are not hobbies - that's just throwing money down the drain for Insta/Snap/TikTok photo ops.
Real hobbies-cum-life skills are going the way of the dodo: cooking/baking (WITH ACTUAL RECIPES), hiking, jogging/weights, swimming, sewing/crafts, first aid/CPR/"survivalist", self-defense....very few women have hobbies that actually MATTER these days. The "Well Rounded" woman is no more. If the Mothers who raised the current flock of Women do not themselves demonstrate well-roundedness at home, what incentive is there for the daughters to do so? There is none. Mothers used to lead by example - now they just teach their girls how to extract value from men (dates, jewelry, other excesses) "and that's how you know he cares about you, sweety".
The result is that the workaholic male has no solid reason to break from routine and go after any particular woman. Which wouldn't be an issue except...you NEED at least one workaholic in the house to...afford the aforementioned house. Anything even approaching a major metro area, houses are going for $300-400K or more. So to pay for that with a wife that stays home, you need at least a $60K/year job. Go look up the actual stats on jobs that pay that much ($30hr PLUS solid benefits), it's an eye-opener. Once you've worked your way up and you finally get a job like that, do you REALLY want to risk it all for some random barfly who insists on complete and total adherence to current societal norms (set by promiscuous women) while still holding the ace in the hole (false rape/assault accusations)? It's not happening.
We were all - Men and Women - told that the increase in availability of contraception would lead to EVERYONE being able to have sex more often with less consequences. What turned out to be the case was the exact opposite: we're having less sex, and getting married (the end-around for a dead sex life), less than ever before; and an increasingly small number of men (and growing number of women) are getting the lion's share.
That is the most bullshit, sulky argument I’ve ever read. If I’m in my thirties, and I’ve met lots of women with “ACTUAL” hobbies (like how you described), why can’t you?
It sounds like you’re in a bubble with very retarded women and you’ve pussied out from your responsibility - teach them the way. Show them what life is about. If you’re a strong man who has knowledge, integrity AND FORBEARANCE on your side, nothing will stop you.
Wanna date a shitlib who cries sexism all the time? Sure. But never tolerate her bullshit. All unkindness/nonsensical bullshit from her should be met with force.
She leaves you? Sure. Time to move on.
She stays and changes, and you decide to get married. Should you sign a prenup? Fuck that. If a woman ever gives you a feeling that you need a prenup to get screwed over, either you’re a neurotic coward, or she’s not the one, or some combination of the two.
If you don’t sign a prenup, and years later your worst fears come true - she claims rape/some other garbage, the court takes everything you have, you end up in prison, and you gotta pay to support her while she’s fucking her new husband. Then that is God’s plan for you and it is your cross to bear. Bear the damn cross with pride!!! Serve your time, come out and look that woman in the eye. I promise you, nobody will have the balls to ever look you in the eye. Only weaklings complain about their lot in life.
If you have the humility to understand that there’s almost nothing you can control in life, combined with the courage to enter into dangerous territory, combined with the forbearance required to bear hardship, you will be invulnerable. That invulnerability will attract women way better than what you describe, and earn you respect. Once a woman really respects you, it’s game over. She’s yours for life to cherish in health and sickness, until death do you part.
Sounds like you have a shitty job in a deep red area. Unfortunately for us both, I have a killer job in a deep blue area. Even if you find "THE ONE", you're only a step or two away from a whole cadre of feminist friends and family.
Do you really think that was just some ill-thought out MGTOW screed? It's all reality. And I don't believe in your bullshit SKY JESUS where I just roll over and get fucked in the ass because MUH JESUS wanted it that way. Get absolutely fucked.
I'm stacking all kinds of coin right now and if I can't find a woman who matters, who isn't some pathetic 'Christian' who surrounds herself with heathens, child-killers and drug addicts - then I'll just stay single until such time I can take my fortune and my talents to another area.
Difference between me and you: I probably throw your entire annual salary in the bank every year - while living in one of the highest COL areas in the country. Not even bullshitting. And THAT'S why it's so painful and why I'm so passionate about this topic. Am I in 100% perfect shape now, Greek God body, etc? No. But i take care of myself, I work, I invest, it's only a matter of time until I can get out of this shithole with my sanity in tact.
If I sold everything I owned I could buy a new construction home, in cash, in 95% of suburbs and 80% of urban areas in America. Can you say the same? No? Then get off my dick and stop excusing shitty female behavior.
The very fact that you boast online reveals your true character. Quite pathetic, and frankly I shouldn’t have expected more from a coward. Btw in case you’re wondering, I live in the highest COL part of the country too ;)
I never tell men to get over things. I wish they’d talk more instead of pretend nothing matters. I love when people trust me enough to vent to me about stuff.
As a woman, if a guy isn’t understanding or sympathetic when I’m upset, that’s a major turn off. Obviously I don’t want them to be a push over. Just sensitive to serious things like a death in the family, losing a job, dealing with personal issues, etc. When they tell me to “get over it” I immediately shut myself off and don’t want to tell them anything ever again. I do prefer them to lead in a relationship though. I’m tired of men who never want to make the first move or take any risks. They suck.
There's a reason why men don't take risks. Right now dating is heavily tilted against men. Women generally have a much easier time dating since all they have to do is make a dating profile and they'll get hundreds and thousands of matches. Generally a woman has multiple men giving her attention at the same time while the average men's sex life is as dry as the Sahara desert. An intelligent man(not necessarily attractive but intelligent) who realizes this will feel less motivated to try since he knows that there's less benefit for him and a much higher risk. Also the woman would actually have to be worth something for a worthwhile man to want to risk something for her. The general degenerate man who is horny and wants to fuck whatever he can get his dick into will always take risks because there's nothing to lose.
No real man would ever be swayed by an argument like this. A man will sway dating back to his favor. If you are able to do that, then you will be surrounded by women who respect you. Why are you unable to sway dating back to your favor?
I’ve dated lots of shitlibs but I have a few principles:
Never ever let anyone talk shit about my President or any politics for that matter. If someone talks nonsensical bullshit, then they will be met with serious force.
If the woman or her friends or family ever say anything disrespectful or act unkindly, they will be met with force.
If I have the slightest fear that the woman I want to marry might screw me, so I might have to sign a prenup, I’m not going to marry that girl. The woman I marry will be one who I wholeheartedly trust. No slimebag ho who flirts with the bartender while I’m not looking.
In the event that all my judgement has failed, and I get screwed over by alimony/divorce later on, that is my cross to bear. Despite all of my efforts, God has judged that it is my Ides of March. So I will bear this cross and do whatever it takes to lighten the burden, but I will persevere.
Stop being a weak coward and go out there. Being unmarried and childless is far scarier. Being childless especially leaves your duty towards society and your ancestors unfulfilled. Where is your drive to preserve your bloodline? While Muslims and the like multiply like rabbits, you are worried about life being unfair to you.
Good luck with your fantasies. The real world does not bend to our will. You've been watching too many hollywood movies. Also I'm probably 2x the man you are with a larger income than you. There's no way I'm going to give my assets to a woman who will divorce me and take 50% of my shit and fuck me in the ass with alimony. 80% of divorces are initiated by the woman.
We live in a society that favors women and punishes men. You can be a pussy worshipper and place your value on pussy and evaluate yourself on whether women like you or not. Women need men for survival. Men do not need women.
Your attempts in shaming me into reproducing will not work since I have too much to lose and nothing to gain. Childless? Please. Even the bible says some men are born to be enunchs. That's a harsh reality. In order for there to be winners, there must be losers. There's no participation award. You're either a winner or a loser.
Ah sorry. I don't think we are on the same wavelength. This is one of those conversations which will turn into ad hominems real quick. You will never understand me or my points, so let's call it a day.
One question though.
You said earlier:
And then you also said:
So you're going to be celibate? Or are you going to be a degenerate man who fucks whatever you can get your dick into? Or are you going to fuck only the women you deem worthy? Or are you going to choose a single woman to fuck for the rest of your life?
A much easier time dating? LOL. Unless I wanted to date a total creep who would take any female that breathes, it is NOT easy for us either. Guys in my generation don’t know what the hell they want, play hot and cold, and are too immature to pursue a real relationship like 90% of the time. I’m still looking for the exception
The term you're looking for is fuckboi.
No....no it really isn't. I don't know how an early 2000s UGK/TI Rapper term turned into something that 20-year-old White girls who read Cosmo flippantly throw out there, but no, "fuckboi" (fuck ass nigga --> fuck nigga --> fuck boy) never has and never will catch on being used like that.
pepperedtrail covered most of it.
85% of women today, their top hobbies are travelling, watching Netflix, raves/concerts, twerk, be bisexual, eat hot chip and lie. Dead ass. Those are not hobbies - that's just throwing money down the drain for Insta/Snap/TikTok photo ops.
Real hobbies-cum-life skills are going the way of the dodo: cooking/baking (WITH ACTUAL RECIPES), hiking, jogging/weights, swimming, sewing/crafts, first aid/CPR/"survivalist", self-defense....very few women have hobbies that actually MATTER these days. The "Well Rounded" woman is no more. If the Mothers who raised the current flock of Women do not themselves demonstrate well-roundedness at home, what incentive is there for the daughters to do so? There is none. Mothers used to lead by example - now they just teach their girls how to extract value from men (dates, jewelry, other excesses) "and that's how you know he cares about you, sweety".
The result is that the workaholic male has no solid reason to break from routine and go after any particular woman. Which wouldn't be an issue except...you NEED at least one workaholic in the house to...afford the aforementioned house. Anything even approaching a major metro area, houses are going for $300-400K or more. So to pay for that with a wife that stays home, you need at least a $60K/year job. Go look up the actual stats on jobs that pay that much ($30hr PLUS solid benefits), it's an eye-opener. Once you've worked your way up and you finally get a job like that, do you REALLY want to risk it all for some random barfly who insists on complete and total adherence to current societal norms (set by promiscuous women) while still holding the ace in the hole (false rape/assault accusations)? It's not happening.
Women stopped policing Women, stopped shaming other Women for their garbage behaviors. Us Men can't un-do it, we just have to continue to pick our spots, we have no other choice. I leave you with this: https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-around-one-in-three-young-americans-havent-had-sex-in-the-last-year-20200614
We were all - Men and Women - told that the increase in availability of contraception would lead to EVERYONE being able to have sex more often with less consequences. What turned out to be the case was the exact opposite: we're having less sex, and getting married (the end-around for a dead sex life), less than ever before; and an increasingly small number of men (and growing number of women) are getting the lion's share.
That is the most bullshit, sulky argument I’ve ever read. If I’m in my thirties, and I’ve met lots of women with “ACTUAL” hobbies (like how you described), why can’t you?
It sounds like you’re in a bubble with very retarded women and you’ve pussied out from your responsibility - teach them the way. Show them what life is about. If you’re a strong man who has knowledge, integrity AND FORBEARANCE on your side, nothing will stop you.
Wanna date a shitlib who cries sexism all the time? Sure. But never tolerate her bullshit. All unkindness/nonsensical bullshit from her should be met with force.
She leaves you? Sure. Time to move on.
She stays and changes, and you decide to get married. Should you sign a prenup? Fuck that. If a woman ever gives you a feeling that you need a prenup to get screwed over, either you’re a neurotic coward, or she’s not the one, or some combination of the two.
If you don’t sign a prenup, and years later your worst fears come true - she claims rape/some other garbage, the court takes everything you have, you end up in prison, and you gotta pay to support her while she’s fucking her new husband. Then that is God’s plan for you and it is your cross to bear. Bear the damn cross with pride!!! Serve your time, come out and look that woman in the eye. I promise you, nobody will have the balls to ever look you in the eye. Only weaklings complain about their lot in life.
If you have the humility to understand that there’s almost nothing you can control in life, combined with the courage to enter into dangerous territory, combined with the forbearance required to bear hardship, you will be invulnerable. That invulnerability will attract women way better than what you describe, and earn you respect. Once a woman really respects you, it’s game over. She’s yours for life to cherish in health and sickness, until death do you part.
Sounds like you have a shitty job in a deep red area. Unfortunately for us both, I have a killer job in a deep blue area. Even if you find "THE ONE", you're only a step or two away from a whole cadre of feminist friends and family.
Do you really think that was just some ill-thought out MGTOW screed? It's all reality. And I don't believe in your bullshit SKY JESUS where I just roll over and get fucked in the ass because MUH JESUS wanted it that way. Get absolutely fucked.
I'm stacking all kinds of coin right now and if I can't find a woman who matters, who isn't some pathetic 'Christian' who surrounds herself with heathens, child-killers and drug addicts - then I'll just stay single until such time I can take my fortune and my talents to another area.
Difference between me and you: I probably throw your entire annual salary in the bank every year - while living in one of the highest COL areas in the country. Not even bullshitting. And THAT'S why it's so painful and why I'm so passionate about this topic. Am I in 100% perfect shape now, Greek God body, etc? No. But i take care of myself, I work, I invest, it's only a matter of time until I can get out of this shithole with my sanity in tact.
If I sold everything I owned I could buy a new construction home, in cash, in 95% of suburbs and 80% of urban areas in America. Can you say the same? No? Then get off my dick and stop excusing shitty female behavior.
The very fact that you boast online reveals your true character. Quite pathetic, and frankly I shouldn’t have expected more from a coward. Btw in case you’re wondering, I live in the highest COL part of the country too ;)
You mean like how women do with men all the time?
I never tell men to get over things. I wish they’d talk more instead of pretend nothing matters. I love when people trust me enough to vent to me about stuff.