5k Online College? How would that work? CNN says I need to buy the $300 Textbooks, and pay 50k, and attend in person. Fauci also says Triple Masking is the only way to be safe.
I know some students at several different universities, and they are all furious, because they do not ever meet in person. They're paying for housing they dint need, because no on campus events. All "meetings" are by zoom (no classes, just meetings), last about 30 minutes once every week and are often cancelled. Tuition is still the same. No use of campus ammenities. Worst complaint: "I'm not learning anything!"
Yet they will earn degrees and enter fields they arent qualified for. This angers these kids enormously. These schools need to lose their accredation.
Unfortunately this is a symptom of both the mental enslavement and abuse of children who are conditioned to follow the ruling class' order of things. You do not need a college to teach you anything. You can teach yourself all kinds of things for essentially free. What "universities" are really about for most people is to buy into the middle class, to pay their royalties to the ruling class administrative strata so that you are both certified and tested and trained to follow the ruling class' orders, while at the same time entering into the alpha slave competition system that keeps you dependent and submissive to it.
In the near term, the best thing anyone can do to free themselves of the ruling class salve system is to cut back on their buying and spending and educating themselves and their children outside of the system for as long as it is possible … something that you really can't do in many places, including in many European countries.
I got a bunch of Pell Grants that paid over 50% of my undergrad degree. I lived off campus. I went to a very affordable community college my first two years then transferred.
Then I got a job at a grad school which provided free tuition as a perk for the job. So I essentially got my MBA as part of my salary package.
About to get a scholarship after completing my community college associate's on pell grants. Deans list multiple times and 4.0 gpa, if you can do it for free then take it, or near free, take it!
I learned far more useful information and skills earning my MBA than I did as an undergrad. The first four years of college are ruined because about 67% of the morons there didn't belong there. Mommy and Daddy wanted them out of the house so they sent them to college to show up to class in sweatpants and Ugz.
Grad school was way different. Everyone in my class already had a good job or good internship. Everyone was intelligent, took the courses seriously, were more mature, and weren't earning an MBA to fuck around.
A 4 year degree is practically worthless. It's just an extension of high school and practically any moron dumb enough to go into student loan debt gets accepted.
I'll agree with you about that; I always find it disheartening that many of the things many of our "universities" are teaching are core curriculum of 8th grade in many other countries…. or at least was, since the rot and suicide to lower the standards to make brown people look smart has also crept into European school systems.
Congratulations on getting something out of the MBA. In many ways, it's probably more what you make out of it, the program, and most importantly of course, who you meet and know. I was learning things that are covered in what seems to be many run of the mill MBA programs, when I was in 11th grade where I went to school.
It's really that our whole education system, including the MBA/grad programs have become utter sham industries like so many other things in America; lower the standards, increase the throughput, increase the tuition, pay even low level administration better than most CEOs.
No need for 5,300 Econ 101 curriculums anymore. Just let students choose between an Adam Smith and a Karl Marx online path of courses. MAKE COLLEGE GREAT AGAN.
Ngl, many kids I went to school with, as long as they get their degree, wouldn't give a shit if they learned anything or not.... sad times we are living in.
https://www.wgu.edu/ does a good job on the Tech degree front. I had some people work for me that did those degrees because you took 17 certification tests along the way to the degree and it direct applied to their job skills as they went. I think it lacked in the Socratic method and some other finer points, but as an Advanced Vo-Tech for the new world's "plumbers and electricians" (programmers and infrastructure techs), I think it would be better than churning out psych majors and history majors.
That's what I did (CS) and I'd recommend to anyone to look into it . I transferred in like 60 credits and finished the rest in 6.5 months at 10 hrs per day. It's been hard realizing that the job search grind is unchanged even with a completed degree.
It wouldn’t work if you want to be taught be anyone thats educated in the topic. I work in a business school. Our expenses don’t come from books or buildings, it’s faculty. 80% of our budget is teaching salaries. We have low tuition too and make a small profit. Online schools still need to be taught by someone and those people want to be paid. Unless you’re okay teaching yourself.
Sure, but that’s largely teaching yourself. You never get to ask questions during a lecture. If you don’t understand something, you can’t clarify immediately. Online courses are not good for actual learning for the majority of people. I know this from personal experience and from student reviews the last year.
Plus you still need to pay someone to answer questions for small amounts of time. Do you want that person to be a cashier at Whole Foods or someone with a PhD in the subject?
I wish I had someone, anyone, to ask questions about DE. I'm not learning anything. I'm going to fail this class because I can't get any elaboration, every question is "refer to past lecture"
Exactly. We have told all our faculty to always be available for questions but it’s near impossible to keep track of their response times. Overall, online school is not viable for everyone to do nor should it be. This is from a teaching and learning perspective.
Our best received online courses have been taught to older people who are working and understand what they want out of the programs. That is not the case for the absolute majority of undergrad students.
Depending on the subject you could get away with automated exams and grading it just depends on certifications and what they want. There is the potential for unlimited options between free open recorded coursework and full phd-graded assignments and consultations. The only constraint is accreditation and how much the student wants to spend. I think for example one person could be disciplined and smart enough to learn to be effective in a field from lecture videos, while another may want a more expensive approach
One, students cheat. You keep the same question bank year after year and those answers will soon be online. Rewriting questions cost money and educated people to rewrite them. Then you may need to change the course content to match the questions being asked, which again is another cost.
Two, lower course numbers (101, 201) are designed for students who are new to topics and need to be able to ask questions if they have them. If the basics of a topic are not understood, you can’t expect them to succeed in higher level courses.
Three, the ability to get free education is already available to anyone who wants it. You can go teach yourself physics if you’re motivated enough to. But does that mean you’ll get a job as a physicist? Who knows, maybe. Someone test it out and find out for us.
That’s kind of my point though if you care about learning for your personal skills and knowledge you don’t need tests. Now if you want accreditation or something on your resume from a reputable institution then yeah you want to have testing where people can’t cheat for that sake. But also, the idea is conservative business owners and decision makers can look past reputable degrees and certifications and find ways to measure someone’s potential by other means. For example hiring someone who designed and built something through self learning over an MIT grad with no pragmatic experience. It’s basically the opposite of bureaucratic cookie cutter HR
Sure, I’m all for it. I think that happens today IF you can prove yourself enough and get noticed for your work.
I also agree too many businesses look for a degree for a job these days. This really weeds out anyone who may have made themselves another way. That’s why a lot people who have the initiative to teach themselves without schooling start their own business.
The real solution here is to remove professors that don’t teach students how to think but WHAT to think on certain opinions. That shit needs to stop.
Agreed. My Original Comment was 99% Satire, I was kind of amazed that you could do any Bachelor's Degree for under 10k, last place I looked at was some Technical School, and it was like 12-13k.
No, we can't burn it down before rebuilding. We need to be like the strangler fig. It grows around an existing tree, eventually consuming it and standing on it's own.
Who cares if liberals don't take the degree, conservative companies will. When liberal companies are full of diversity hires, and conservative companies are full of those with merit, we win.
Any news will cover any resistance at all like that until there's so few of us that they'll just call us all Nazis. Sounds like you've learned nothing.
The best thing we can do in that regard is to stop living even close to our means, let alone beyond our means. REJECT USURY!!! And focus on doing and making and building networks … they can blackball you from entry into their alpha slave competition system, but you can build up a system outside of that plantation if you focus on doing and creating and building and networking.
I've been all about The Great Courses for years, entire college courses you can get for about 60 bucks when they're on sale (which is all the time). If there was a way to make them, or something like them worth actual credit, the entire university system would collapse.
You can pretty much find almost all traditional subjects for college courses free online. All you're really paying for at university is a verification process to make sure you actually learned the material and didn't cheat.
University could easily cost something like $5000 to simply manage tests and ensure proof of knowledge.
The fact we have teachers/profs teaching the same courses in subjects that literally haven't changed for a century is absurd and giant waste of money.
University could easily cost something like $5000 to simply manage tests and ensure proof of knowledge.
Just managing tests and proof of knowledge would honestly only take $500. The vast majority of expenses of colleges is people who do no work, but manage to make eight figures for some reason.
Mentorships and peer networking is also an important part to education. So while the “knowledge is free” on most subjects, part of the 5k per year could be used to pair students with local mentors in their area and get them on an accelerated career track. Preparation for interviews, resume coaching, a seemless transition into corporate structures, how to prepare for advancement, etc. This is sorely lacking in most traditional colleges.
Wrapping it in religion would be the best way to handle it. Why are Christians orgs not doing anything to help? People wonder why young people are turning away from religion. It’s not doing anything, at all, really, to help them with the modern challenges they face. I would say, if anything, the Mormons appear to help and lift up other young Mormons in this way. And what do you know it’s one of the only religions not stagnating.
Look at almost any traditional Christian sect and their colleges all cost like 50k a year, full of critical race theory drivel and diversity applicants, and usually at the forefront of driving “refugees” migration.
Christians could step up and fill the void. It’s there. But none of them are doing shit.
Loved my WGU experience. Made it 15 years into my IT career with my associates before I even bothered with my Bachelors. Got it for $9,000 through WGU.
Similar here. I waited 20 years and then knocked out my bachelor's and masters in 1 year. Just about killed me but I spent less than $7,500 total. The alumni scholarship was $800 but you only get half if you get done in 1 semester. I see that it increased to $2,000 now which is excellent.
Cheat code is to sign up for the “adult education” programs at colleges while working. One sixth the price and evening classes. All your classmates and professors are typically gainfully employed and give you real world experience.
Four year university is to fantasize about the real world, focus on getting drunk and partying and being charged $80k a year for the privilege.
It's true, even if you go to the big University you can usually take credits at a local community college also and transfer the credits to the university. You get the degree with prestige and save a bunch of money and smaller classrooms.
This only works if education is believed to be simply reading the material and regurgitating it back through multiple choice and short answer questions. And that's not worth 500 dollars for what it will do to make you more valuable.
Now, if his point is really that colleges are massively overcharging for that type education, $50k for multiple choice tests, then yeah, go for it.
Are there any Conservative parents with children nearing college age who have researched to find out if there are any universities that will not indoctrinate and brainwash our children?
Please share your experience, research, and findings with us. Thank you.
I have worked in higher ed for 10 years. It is by far one of the biggest pay to play scams ever. I have the utmost respect for plumbers, electricians, or anyone that built a solid career without having to subject themselves to the university scam.
the problem with "doing our own degrees" is that they will be blacklisted from accreditation and employers won't recognize them as "real degrees".
The problem outside of the liberal bias in college is the fluff they force you to take to pad out to at least 4 years when you should be able to get most Bachelor's in 2-2.5.
For instance CompSci - why do you need 2 consecutive semesters of lab science (so they can get those sweet lab fees), or 2 consecutive semesters foreign language (might come in handy depending where you end up working by by no means should be required for a degree) A bunch of electives that have nothing to do with your degree just to make you a "well rounded student". Phys Ed requirement - sure, workout be healthy but should not be only 1 or 2 credits and required to graduate. Even some really advanced math, maybe as an elective depending on exactly what kinds of jobs you see yourself doing but a lot of what falls under the Comp Sci umbrella you don't even need algebra let alone calc
Colleges should be more like Tech/Trade schools...give you just what you need in a degree program to get a job, not this "well rounded student" bullshit. You can do that at your leisure later. You shouldn't have to spend 4 years in college at minimum to get an entry-level degree. You ALWAYS do better learning on the job than in a classroom. Half the time your first employer stops caring about your degree the moment you're hired. Then its "forget what they told you in class, we di it different here"
UoPeople is building a sustainable new model for higher education, in which students are asked to pay only a $120 assessment fee at the end of each course ($240 in the MBA). A four-year bachelor’s degree is only $4,860.
They are accredited in the U.S. by the Distance Education Accrediting Commission if that is a valid place, or at least better than the Higher Learning Commission that gave University Of Phoenix their accreditation.
I think they pull instructors from other schools though, but can't remember where I read that, so not sure if they're woke or not.
In any event, while it sucks, Dinesh's comment of "We need our own America inside of America," is definitely needed to turn the ship.
good lord maybe they would even have some curriculum that would be useful. Spouse is in school to become an LCDC and is having to learn about social justice type bullshit...in every single class.
You can learn engineering from mit open courseware for free. Like abything something that has feedback and work you have to hand in will be better, but they have cheap things like that around too
Hell, you can try WGU for less than 10 grand if you apply yourself. You can end up with a bachelor's with multiple certifications at the same time. Some people can finish them in one semester but those are the minority. Realistically 1-3 terms are possible for the majority of people.
why do med students, comp sci, and engineers all go to the same school? air con, plumbing, and welding have their own programs and apprenticeships don't they?
let the doctors, programmers, and researchers figure it out themselves. they should be smart enough
It was also cut into the absurd federally subsidized student loan scam... where the schools can keep raising the tuition to infinity without a ceiling.
Has anyone made a list of the verified online college programs? I mean what is the point of talking about them, or even praising them without getting others towards them.
Not bashing or saying it is bad, but if this is as important as we all want to think it is then shouldn't it be stickied on the side bar like the Election section is just with the general field names and the information related to them?
Might be asking too much but we do need confirmation so a lot of us and those starting to look for it can get there without trying to hunt everything and anything just to get a small scrap which wastes time, energy, and effort that can be better utilized to prevent or change the system,
No because companies will say "Ok, we will only hire from these schools."
While some companies will say that, there's a real economic cost to that type of discrimination if the potential employee is the best available candidate, and so many companies won't care which university a person attended.
I think this is true too, provided the school actually produces a good quality education. As someone involved with hiring, the college's do tend to produce much better candidates than the cheaper alternatives for software engineering for example.
The key is that the school has a reputation for successful graduates or that the candidate himself has an extensive portfolio (at least in the case of software engineers).
It's much cheaper for an employer to discriminate potential employees based on which university they attended than to look deeply into each individual as an individual.
Why take back a decrepit, anachronistic system when you can make ones for the 21st century and be the new leaders?
This is the way things work. The productive people do dope shit, the losers and late adopters find there way in, and the productive people make newer doper shit.
Second, degrees are already known to be a relatively poor indicator of talent. That's what interviews, probationary periods, and interview practical tests are for.
This is not a new idea, there is seriously no need to have the university systems that we have today. If we can homeschool we can do university on line. The advantages are enormous. This is being blocked because the universities make way too much money to do this. It’ll happen.
5k Online College? How would that work? CNN says I need to buy the $300 Textbooks, and pay 50k, and attend in person. Fauci also says Triple Masking is the only way to be safe.
I know some students at several different universities, and they are all furious, because they do not ever meet in person. They're paying for housing they dint need, because no on campus events. All "meetings" are by zoom (no classes, just meetings), last about 30 minutes once every week and are often cancelled. Tuition is still the same. No use of campus ammenities. Worst complaint: "I'm not learning anything!"
Yet they will earn degrees and enter fields they arent qualified for. This angers these kids enormously. These schools need to lose their accredation.
Unfortunately this is a symptom of both the mental enslavement and abuse of children who are conditioned to follow the ruling class' order of things. You do not need a college to teach you anything. You can teach yourself all kinds of things for essentially free. What "universities" are really about for most people is to buy into the middle class, to pay their royalties to the ruling class administrative strata so that you are both certified and tested and trained to follow the ruling class' orders, while at the same time entering into the alpha slave competition system that keeps you dependent and submissive to it. In the near term, the best thing anyone can do to free themselves of the ruling class salve system is to cut back on their buying and spending and educating themselves and their children outside of the system for as long as it is possible … something that you really can't do in many places, including in many European countries.
I kind of gamed the system.
I got a bunch of Pell Grants that paid over 50% of my undergrad degree. I lived off campus. I went to a very affordable community college my first two years then transferred.
Then I got a job at a grad school which provided free tuition as a perk for the job. So I essentially got my MBA as part of my salary package.
About to get a scholarship after completing my community college associate's on pell grants. Deans list multiple times and 4.0 gpa, if you can do it for free then take it, or near free, take it!
Good for you. Too bad MBA stock is down hard, especially after comments by Elon.
I learned far more useful information and skills earning my MBA than I did as an undergrad. The first four years of college are ruined because about 67% of the morons there didn't belong there. Mommy and Daddy wanted them out of the house so they sent them to college to show up to class in sweatpants and Ugz.
Grad school was way different. Everyone in my class already had a good job or good internship. Everyone was intelligent, took the courses seriously, were more mature, and weren't earning an MBA to fuck around.
A 4 year degree is practically worthless. It's just an extension of high school and practically any moron dumb enough to go into student loan debt gets accepted.
I'll agree with you about that; I always find it disheartening that many of the things many of our "universities" are teaching are core curriculum of 8th grade in many other countries…. or at least was, since the rot and suicide to lower the standards to make brown people look smart has also crept into European school systems.
Congratulations on getting something out of the MBA. In many ways, it's probably more what you make out of it, the program, and most importantly of course, who you meet and know. I was learning things that are covered in what seems to be many run of the mill MBA programs, when I was in 11th grade where I went to school.
It's really that our whole education system, including the MBA/grad programs have become utter sham industries like so many other things in America; lower the standards, increase the throughput, increase the tuition, pay even low level administration better than most CEOs.
I agree. There's so many garbage MBA programs that an MBA itself has been devalued.
The MBA program I attended did have us working in teams quite often and competing against others.
Everything I learned in the MBA program can easily be accessed online or through research in libraries. It's not secret information.
This is spot on.
Updooting for your name! Fucking awesome! 😂😂😂
The teachers don't know how to do online classes. They're having lectures at scheduled times and half the classes are "technical difficulties"
No need for 5,300 Econ 101 curriculums anymore. Just let students choose between an Adam Smith and a Karl Marx online path of courses. MAKE COLLEGE GREAT AGAN.
Ngl, many kids I went to school with, as long as they get their degree, wouldn't give a shit if they learned anything or not.... sad times we are living in.
https://www.wgu.edu/ does a good job on the Tech degree front. I had some people work for me that did those degrees because you took 17 certification tests along the way to the degree and it direct applied to their job skills as they went. I think it lacked in the Socratic method and some other finer points, but as an Advanced Vo-Tech for the new world's "plumbers and electricians" (programmers and infrastructure techs), I think it would be better than churning out psych majors and history majors.
WGU student here...BS in Accounting. I love it and the tuition is no more than my state schools.
That's what I did (CS) and I'd recommend to anyone to look into it . I transferred in like 60 credits and finished the rest in 6.5 months at 10 hrs per day. It's been hard realizing that the job search grind is unchanged even with a completed degree.
Screen name a reference to a sci fi book? Lomg time Piers fan.
Can confirm. Went from associates to bachelor's at WGU.
It wouldn’t work if you want to be taught be anyone thats educated in the topic. I work in a business school. Our expenses don’t come from books or buildings, it’s faculty. 80% of our budget is teaching salaries. We have low tuition too and make a small profit. Online schools still need to be taught by someone and those people want to be paid. Unless you’re okay teaching yourself.
Record lesson once. Replay 1 million times. Have Q&A sessions separately for small amounts of time for those interested.
Sure, but that’s largely teaching yourself. You never get to ask questions during a lecture. If you don’t understand something, you can’t clarify immediately. Online courses are not good for actual learning for the majority of people. I know this from personal experience and from student reviews the last year.
Plus you still need to pay someone to answer questions for small amounts of time. Do you want that person to be a cashier at Whole Foods or someone with a PhD in the subject?
I wish I had someone, anyone, to ask questions about DE. I'm not learning anything. I'm going to fail this class because I can't get any elaboration, every question is "refer to past lecture"
Exactly. We have told all our faculty to always be available for questions but it’s near impossible to keep track of their response times. Overall, online school is not viable for everyone to do nor should it be. This is from a teaching and learning perspective.
Our best received online courses have been taught to older people who are working and understand what they want out of the programs. That is not the case for the absolute majority of undergrad students.
Depending on the subject you could get away with automated exams and grading it just depends on certifications and what they want. There is the potential for unlimited options between free open recorded coursework and full phd-graded assignments and consultations. The only constraint is accreditation and how much the student wants to spend. I think for example one person could be disciplined and smart enough to learn to be effective in a field from lecture videos, while another may want a more expensive approach
Even the subject is hard.
One, students cheat. You keep the same question bank year after year and those answers will soon be online. Rewriting questions cost money and educated people to rewrite them. Then you may need to change the course content to match the questions being asked, which again is another cost.
Two, lower course numbers (101, 201) are designed for students who are new to topics and need to be able to ask questions if they have them. If the basics of a topic are not understood, you can’t expect them to succeed in higher level courses.
Three, the ability to get free education is already available to anyone who wants it. You can go teach yourself physics if you’re motivated enough to. But does that mean you’ll get a job as a physicist? Who knows, maybe. Someone test it out and find out for us.
That’s kind of my point though if you care about learning for your personal skills and knowledge you don’t need tests. Now if you want accreditation or something on your resume from a reputable institution then yeah you want to have testing where people can’t cheat for that sake. But also, the idea is conservative business owners and decision makers can look past reputable degrees and certifications and find ways to measure someone’s potential by other means. For example hiring someone who designed and built something through self learning over an MIT grad with no pragmatic experience. It’s basically the opposite of bureaucratic cookie cutter HR
Sure, I’m all for it. I think that happens today IF you can prove yourself enough and get noticed for your work.
I also agree too many businesses look for a degree for a job these days. This really weeds out anyone who may have made themselves another way. That’s why a lot people who have the initiative to teach themselves without schooling start their own business.
The real solution here is to remove professors that don’t teach students how to think but WHAT to think on certain opinions. That shit needs to stop.
If we are teaching actually practical skills, from plumbing to computer science, there would be no need to use textbooks or PhD holders to teach
University is mostly a scam, and societal institutions are keeping them alive by requiring degrees for high paying jobs.
Agreed. My Original Comment was 99% Satire, I was kind of amazed that you could do any Bachelor's Degree for under 10k, last place I looked at was some Technical School, and it was like 12-13k.
Isn't it interesting when a progressive tells you something can't bad can't be changed.
Liberals would just blackball applicants from that school. We have to defeat them before we can rebuild.
No, we can't burn it down before rebuilding. We need to be like the strangler fig. It grows around an existing tree, eventually consuming it and standing on it's own.
Who cares if liberals don't take the degree, conservative companies will. When liberal companies are full of diversity hires, and conservative companies are full of those with merit, we win.
We don't have to burn down what we built, we just have to burn down the individuals who infiltrated
The thing that there left has realized that the right hasn't is laws are only valid if enforced.
Who cares if some idiot makes it illegal, if nobody comes and does anything about it, it doesn't matter.
The news would cover it as a white supremacist/domestic terrorist training camp.
Any news will cover any resistance at all like that until there's so few of us that they'll just call us all Nazis. Sounds like you've learned nothing.
That's how they "defeated" us... infiltrated, strangled, took over existing structures.
The best thing we can do in that regard is to stop living even close to our means, let alone beyond our means. REJECT USURY!!! And focus on doing and making and building networks … they can blackball you from entry into their alpha slave competition system, but you can build up a system outside of that plantation if you focus on doing and creating and building and networking.
I've been all about The Great Courses for years, entire college courses you can get for about 60 bucks when they're on sale (which is all the time). If there was a way to make them, or something like them worth actual credit, the entire university system would collapse.
I love Dinesh's idea.
You can pretty much find almost all traditional subjects for college courses free online. All you're really paying for at university is a verification process to make sure you actually learned the material and didn't cheat.
University could easily cost something like $5000 to simply manage tests and ensure proof of knowledge.
The fact we have teachers/profs teaching the same courses in subjects that literally haven't changed for a century is absurd and giant waste of money.
College is mostly for elites to have their kids meet other elite kids.
Just managing tests and proof of knowledge would honestly only take $500. The vast majority of expenses of colleges is people who do no work, but manage to make eight figures for some reason.
Mentorships and peer networking is also an important part to education. So while the “knowledge is free” on most subjects, part of the 5k per year could be used to pair students with local mentors in their area and get them on an accelerated career track. Preparation for interviews, resume coaching, a seemless transition into corporate structures, how to prepare for advancement, etc. This is sorely lacking in most traditional colleges.
Wrapping it in religion would be the best way to handle it. Why are Christians orgs not doing anything to help? People wonder why young people are turning away from religion. It’s not doing anything, at all, really, to help them with the modern challenges they face. I would say, if anything, the Mormons appear to help and lift up other young Mormons in this way. And what do you know it’s one of the only religions not stagnating.
Look at almost any traditional Christian sect and their colleges all cost like 50k a year, full of critical race theory drivel and diversity applicants, and usually at the forefront of driving “refugees” migration.
Christians could step up and fill the void. It’s there. But none of them are doing shit.
Employers already do interviews and for technical fields like programming practical testing is a part of that.
It's something that's already solved. College largely sorts for class and not talent given most of the cost is for non-productive training/amenities.
They also have a streaming service that's reasonably priced.
The no hire argument: do Hillsdale College graduates never get hired?
Also homeschooling used to be said that the kids would never be allowed into colleges and now many colleges are said to prefer homeschool graduates.
As a homeschool parent of four kids I would love an online college like this.
WGU has been around for a long time and I don't think it has put too much of a dent in things. Great school though. Go nightowls!
Fellow Night Owl here!
Loved my WGU experience. Made it 15 years into my IT career with my associates before I even bothered with my Bachelors. Got it for $9,000 through WGU.
Similar here. I waited 20 years and then knocked out my bachelor's and masters in 1 year. Just about killed me but I spent less than $7,500 total. The alumni scholarship was $800 but you only get half if you get done in 1 semester. I see that it increased to $2,000 now which is excellent.
Fellow Night Owl, although I need like2 classes to graduate. I got a ton of certs though.
I’m starting in May. Damn transcript process hah
Transcripts were brutal but it's off to the races after that.
Cheat code is to sign up for the “adult education” programs at colleges while working. One sixth the price and evening classes. All your classmates and professors are typically gainfully employed and give you real world experience.
Four year university is to fantasize about the real world, focus on getting drunk and partying and being charged $80k a year for the privilege.
It's true, even if you go to the big University you can usually take credits at a local community college also and transfer the credits to the university. You get the degree with prestige and save a bunch of money and smaller classrooms.
Dinesh is a creative thinker.
This only works if education is believed to be simply reading the material and regurgitating it back through multiple choice and short answer questions. And that's not worth 500 dollars for what it will do to make you more valuable.
Now, if his point is really that colleges are massively overcharging for that type education, $50k for multiple choice tests, then yeah, go for it.
A degree from a well known university will be useless to white students looking for a job after graduation anyway. We might as well get creative
Public Universities are basically communist Ponzi Schemes.
Are there any Conservative parents with children nearing college age who have researched to find out if there are any universities that will not indoctrinate and brainwash our children?
Please share your experience, research, and findings with us. Thank you.
It could be done for $5000 total for the degree, not per year. How do I know? I'm a professor at a regionally accredited university.
I have worked in higher ed for 10 years. It is by far one of the biggest pay to play scams ever. I have the utmost respect for plumbers, electricians, or anyone that built a solid career without having to subject themselves to the university scam.
the problem with "doing our own degrees" is that they will be blacklisted from accreditation and employers won't recognize them as "real degrees".
The problem outside of the liberal bias in college is the fluff they force you to take to pad out to at least 4 years when you should be able to get most Bachelor's in 2-2.5.
For instance CompSci - why do you need 2 consecutive semesters of lab science (so they can get those sweet lab fees), or 2 consecutive semesters foreign language (might come in handy depending where you end up working by by no means should be required for a degree) A bunch of electives that have nothing to do with your degree just to make you a "well rounded student". Phys Ed requirement - sure, workout be healthy but should not be only 1 or 2 credits and required to graduate. Even some really advanced math, maybe as an elective depending on exactly what kinds of jobs you see yourself doing but a lot of what falls under the Comp Sci umbrella you don't even need algebra let alone calc
Colleges should be more like Tech/Trade schools...give you just what you need in a degree program to get a job, not this "well rounded student" bullshit. You can do that at your leisure later. You shouldn't have to spend 4 years in college at minimum to get an entry-level degree. You ALWAYS do better learning on the job than in a classroom. Half the time your first employer stops caring about your degree the moment you're hired. Then its "forget what they told you in class, we di it different here"
No sure about it: Tesla, Google and others already recognized that college degrees are worthless.
So they hire people without degrees, but smart and know the current things.
This man should have gotta pardon if he didn’t before
I read about this place a few years ago.
University Of The People
UoPeople is building a sustainable new model for higher education, in which students are asked to pay only a $120 assessment fee at the end of each course ($240 in the MBA). A four-year bachelor’s degree is only $4,860.
They are accredited in the U.S. by the Distance Education Accrediting Commission if that is a valid place, or at least better than the Higher Learning Commission that gave University Of Phoenix their accreditation.
I think they pull instructors from other schools though, but can't remember where I read that, so not sure if they're woke or not.
In any event, while it sucks, Dinesh's comment of "We need our own America inside of America," is definitely needed to turn the ship.
If you think about it, math is math no matter where you are.
there are plenty of on line inexpensive programs already
My husband and I just paid off $160k in student loans. We fought tooth and nail to accomplish that. I want reparations! :p
Getting my MBA through WGU, the prices are amazing and the format is, IMO, vastly superior to "traditional" college.
And Dinesh is absolutely correct.
Anyone else getting some "Atlas Shrugged" vibes?
good lord maybe they would even have some curriculum that would be useful. Spouse is in school to become an LCDC and is having to learn about social justice type bullshit...in every single class.
All you got to do is read bruh.
This isn’t the answer, there are many ways to fix academia and it starts with hiring American professors and creating conservative colleges.
Hillsdale has the platform... just needs the bandwidth.
You can learn engineering from mit open courseware for free. Like abything something that has feedback and work you have to hand in will be better, but they have cheap things like that around too
Hell, you can try WGU for less than 10 grand if you apply yourself. You can end up with a bachelor's with multiple certifications at the same time. Some people can finish them in one semester but those are the minority. Realistically 1-3 terms are possible for the majority of people.
THIS is a great idea. STICKY this. Some big money guy that browses us, needs to see this.
Dinesh is absolutely correct. Make Education Great Again. (MEGA)!!!!!!!!!!!!
What would you teach though.... stem related fields besides computer science has hands on portions in a lab....
While I get it, what use is college besides associates degree for trades, and 4 year programs for STEM, and Medical...
the theme of the future is DECENTRALIZE
why do med students, comp sci, and engineers all go to the same school? air con, plumbing, and welding have their own programs and apprenticeships don't they?
let the doctors, programmers, and researchers figure it out themselves. they should be smart enough
Problem...woke HR swine would blacklist applicants from the school.
Already happens with Christian colleges.
It was also cut into the absurd federally subsidized student loan scam... where the schools can keep raising the tuition to infinity without a ceiling.
Hillsdale College offers some free online courses.
Has anyone made a list of the verified online college programs? I mean what is the point of talking about them, or even praising them without getting others towards them.
Not bashing or saying it is bad, but if this is as important as we all want to think it is then shouldn't it be stickied on the side bar like the Election section is just with the general field names and the information related to them?
Might be asking too much but we do need confirmation so a lot of us and those starting to look for it can get there without trying to hunt everything and anything just to get a small scrap which wastes time, energy, and effort that can be better utilized to prevent or change the system,
I feel like this only impresses boomers.
I remember a job interview almost a decade ago, and how the old man was fascinated that university can be online.
But we already have that's it's called university of phoenix, and everyone thinks it's a scam.
I was hoping for Civil War
Perfect! My first 5K spent when I move out, will be into here :D
just remember all you start ups, be careful what cloud services you utilize.
While some companies will say that, there's a real economic cost to that type of discrimination if the potential employee is the best available candidate, and so many companies won't care which university a person attended.
I think this is true too, provided the school actually produces a good quality education. As someone involved with hiring, the college's do tend to produce much better candidates than the cheaper alternatives for software engineering for example.
The key is that the school has a reputation for successful graduates or that the candidate himself has an extensive portfolio (at least in the case of software engineers).
It's much cheaper for an employer to discriminate potential employees based on which university they attended than to look deeply into each individual as an individual.
Why take back a decrepit, anachronistic system when you can make ones for the 21st century and be the new leaders?
This is the way things work. The productive people do dope shit, the losers and late adopters find there way in, and the productive people make newer doper shit.
Second, degrees are already known to be a relatively poor indicator of talent. That's what interviews, probationary periods, and interview practical tests are for.
Even if you went to those schools, they are going to hire on diversity, inclusiveness, and/or h1b only.
Tesla, Google and others already recognized that college degrees are worthless.
So they hire people without degrees, but smart and know the current things.
And then go apply for a job, put down said, college, and never get an interview because of it.
We need to create our own America outside of America
This is why they took down Trump university.
Modern universities only exist because of the Griggs v. Duke Power Co. Supreme Court decision.
They'd find some way to tax/regulate/sue it into submission in no time flat.
This is BIG IDEA that could change the world for the better.
This is not a new idea, there is seriously no need to have the university systems that we have today. If we can homeschool we can do university on line. The advantages are enormous. This is being blocked because the universities make way too much money to do this. It’ll happen.