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BasedNtruth 35 points ago +35 / -0

People often forget, the communists WON WW2...and we helped them...

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DestroyerofCobwebs 35 points ago +35 / -0

Yep. And we helped them because by that time, we had already been infiltrated by the communists for decades.

America, at least the ideals of the nation as founded, fell a very long time ago. You could argue it never survived the Civil War, but for sure it didn't make it past WWI.

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45fan 17 points ago +17 / -0

It never survived the Civil War. You can say that the ends justified the means, but that war ended the notion of "consent of the governed".