I disagree. This may give you more of an understanding of why they acted as they did. Slave ownership had already been resolved between the states with the Dredd-Scott decision.
dude are you seriously going to argue that it wasn't a politically motivated decision based on feelings and not at all in the legalities? the whole case started because of a law congress passed (missouri compromise) that allowed for slavery in certain parts of the country and then the chief justice deciding that because black people came to the country as slaves, they had no rights at all so the law was moot. the matter was far from settled, and in fact, upon lincoln's victory in 1860, 7 states already declared they are seceding. as far as the tariff, it was put in place because our nation was broke, and we wanted to encourage domestic production and manufacturing (hmmm sounds like something we advocate for). america at the time had the lowest import tariffs in the world, encouraging everyone to just dump their shit on us, stifling our economy. the war started a month after his inauguration in april, when southern forces attacked fort sumter, a FEDERAL fort. how you're going to sit there and argue that those actions are not traitorous is beyond me. not to mention that the confederacy was never recognized as a legitimate country by any nation in existence at the time, further solidifying the fact that it was simply a bunch of racist traitors who rebelled because they didn't like the fact that society was progressing past their worldview.
identifying with the confederacy does our movement waaaay more harm than good. in fact, outside of our political bubble and internet echo chambers, there are places where people on both sides of the aisle can agree on things, but even in those places its universally held that the confederacy was a mistake and dark stain on our great nation's history.
I believe they withdrew because of excessive taxes and lack of representation.
Taxes
The 45% tax I referenced was only to be paid by the South, the North paid NOTHING on its goods. The North blockaded southern ports so that the South could not sell to foreign markets and would be forced to sell to Northern markets and pay tariffs when it sold and when it bought. The North paid NO taxes on goods from or to the South.
Lack of Representation
Southern states with their low populations could never gain a voice in the House. The North had a lock on any legislation. Lincoln when he came in pledged to collect the 45% from the South.
Dredd Scott Decision
Resolved the issue of slavery, that was not a driving concern for either side. Lincoln only freed southern slaves and that was solely for the purpose of confusion to the enemy.
The decision to withdraw was not an emotional one, it was a financial one. The confederacy was not a dark stain, it was IMO a legitimate withdrawal from the Union based on what the south felt were rights under the constitution and their excessive taxation and lack of representation.
nope. you are wrong. the decision to secede was mainly because of their racist views on slavery, and only financial insofar as that eliminating slavery would mean they would actually have to pay people to work for them instead of forcing them to. they mainly seceded because they feared becoming the minority in politics due to lincoln's election, the ever growing abolitionist movement, and a changing worldview among the citizens of the US.
the first 7 states seceded prior to the morrill tariff even being enacted. they seceded between nov 1860 and jan 1861, mainly because of the slavery issue.
the tariff passed at the end of february and went into effect a month later. only georgia and south carolina specifically mention the tariff in their convention for secession. texas, alabama, and virginia specifically mention slavery in their secession declarations. south carolina, mississippi, georgia, and texas specifically blame the abolitionist movement that movement's influence on the political landscape. they believed that they had a constitutional right to own slaves (lol!), which to me is pretty racist and far from what the founding fathers intended.
in fact, the only reason the tariff even passed is because of the secession of several states who would have voted it down (it was a really close vote to get it passed, and it only passed because the representatives who would vote against had left when they seceded). the tariff only applied to goods from outside of the US, once those states seceded they were outside the US, thus they had to pay the tariff. the tariff was designed to protect and foster domestic industry (again, sounds really similar to what we advocate for), and there was no tariff for goods within the US, only on imports. lincoln even said in his inaugural address that the tariff would only be collected at US ports. he had no plans to invade the south. he was going to let them have their little tantrum. his only line in the sand was not letting them hold any federal property. which is how the war started, when the patriotic forces tried to take back fort sumter from the traitors.
you have to understand, prior to the civil war the slavery issue was the cause of a lot of conflict. you had the racist southerners who saw black people as property and only good as slaves. and then you had the rest of the nation who realized the practice is wrong, and as a result there was a lot of rapid change coming, thanks in part to abolitionists, who wanted to ban slavery everywhere. combined with our westward expansion, the slave owners felt threatened because a lot of the new territories were being declared the slavery free zones. this resulted in the missouri compromise which basically split the country into 2. everything south of the southern border of missouri was where slavery was legal. everywhere else it was outlawed. thus the underground railroad - if a slave made it to the north, they were free.
lincoln promised to outlaw slavery everywhere, and it is what got him elected. the southerners wanted to keep their racist practices, so they threw a tantrum and left the union, which under the constitutional interpretations at the time was a rebellious and traitorous act. when the north crushed the south, they were within their rights to execute every single southerner who had participated. BUT, Lincoln (and then Johnson after Lincoln's assasination) saw that this would do no good, so in the spirit of unity decided to be lenient. as part of the conclusion of the war each state had to ratify the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments outlawing slavery and giving former slaves citizenship and voting rights.
the civil war happened because they wanted to stay racist and own black people. the north originally didn't care, they were fighting to preserve the union (in fact some states that supported the north still had slavery). however as the war dragged on, it became clear the central motivating factor for both sides was slavery. however as a result of the south's traitorous rebellion, slavery became outlawed everywhere. they were also responsible for their own economic collapse (confederate soldiers basically took all the war goods they needed since almost nobody outside the us supported them) and is a big reason why the south to this day has a stererotype of being backwards, racist, and poor.
I disagree. This may give you more of an understanding of why they acted as they did. Slave ownership had already been resolved between the states with the Dredd-Scott decision.
Slavery had NOTHING to do with the south seceding. https://www.charlestonathenaeumpress.com/the-morrill-tariff-caused-the-perfect-storm-for-economic-disaster-in-the-north/
dude are you seriously going to argue that it wasn't a politically motivated decision based on feelings and not at all in the legalities? the whole case started because of a law congress passed (missouri compromise) that allowed for slavery in certain parts of the country and then the chief justice deciding that because black people came to the country as slaves, they had no rights at all so the law was moot. the matter was far from settled, and in fact, upon lincoln's victory in 1860, 7 states already declared they are seceding. as far as the tariff, it was put in place because our nation was broke, and we wanted to encourage domestic production and manufacturing (hmmm sounds like something we advocate for). america at the time had the lowest import tariffs in the world, encouraging everyone to just dump their shit on us, stifling our economy. the war started a month after his inauguration in april, when southern forces attacked fort sumter, a FEDERAL fort. how you're going to sit there and argue that those actions are not traitorous is beyond me. not to mention that the confederacy was never recognized as a legitimate country by any nation in existence at the time, further solidifying the fact that it was simply a bunch of racist traitors who rebelled because they didn't like the fact that society was progressing past their worldview.
identifying with the confederacy does our movement waaaay more harm than good. in fact, outside of our political bubble and internet echo chambers, there are places where people on both sides of the aisle can agree on things, but even in those places its universally held that the confederacy was a mistake and dark stain on our great nation's history.
I believe they withdrew because of excessive taxes and lack of representation. Taxes The 45% tax I referenced was only to be paid by the South, the North paid NOTHING on its goods. The North blockaded southern ports so that the South could not sell to foreign markets and would be forced to sell to Northern markets and pay tariffs when it sold and when it bought. The North paid NO taxes on goods from or to the South.
Lack of Representation Southern states with their low populations could never gain a voice in the House. The North had a lock on any legislation. Lincoln when he came in pledged to collect the 45% from the South.
Dredd Scott Decision Resolved the issue of slavery, that was not a driving concern for either side. Lincoln only freed southern slaves and that was solely for the purpose of confusion to the enemy.
The decision to withdraw was not an emotional one, it was a financial one. The confederacy was not a dark stain, it was IMO a legitimate withdrawal from the Union based on what the south felt were rights under the constitution and their excessive taxation and lack of representation.
nope. you are wrong. the decision to secede was mainly because of their racist views on slavery, and only financial insofar as that eliminating slavery would mean they would actually have to pay people to work for them instead of forcing them to. they mainly seceded because they feared becoming the minority in politics due to lincoln's election, the ever growing abolitionist movement, and a changing worldview among the citizens of the US.
the first 7 states seceded prior to the morrill tariff even being enacted. they seceded between nov 1860 and jan 1861, mainly because of the slavery issue.
the tariff passed at the end of february and went into effect a month later. only georgia and south carolina specifically mention the tariff in their convention for secession. texas, alabama, and virginia specifically mention slavery in their secession declarations. south carolina, mississippi, georgia, and texas specifically blame the abolitionist movement that movement's influence on the political landscape. they believed that they had a constitutional right to own slaves (lol!), which to me is pretty racist and far from what the founding fathers intended.
in fact, the only reason the tariff even passed is because of the secession of several states who would have voted it down (it was a really close vote to get it passed, and it only passed because the representatives who would vote against had left when they seceded). the tariff only applied to goods from outside of the US, once those states seceded they were outside the US, thus they had to pay the tariff. the tariff was designed to protect and foster domestic industry (again, sounds really similar to what we advocate for), and there was no tariff for goods within the US, only on imports. lincoln even said in his inaugural address that the tariff would only be collected at US ports. he had no plans to invade the south. he was going to let them have their little tantrum. his only line in the sand was not letting them hold any federal property. which is how the war started, when the patriotic forces tried to take back fort sumter from the traitors.
you have to understand, prior to the civil war the slavery issue was the cause of a lot of conflict. you had the racist southerners who saw black people as property and only good as slaves. and then you had the rest of the nation who realized the practice is wrong, and as a result there was a lot of rapid change coming, thanks in part to abolitionists, who wanted to ban slavery everywhere. combined with our westward expansion, the slave owners felt threatened because a lot of the new territories were being declared the slavery free zones. this resulted in the missouri compromise which basically split the country into 2. everything south of the southern border of missouri was where slavery was legal. everywhere else it was outlawed. thus the underground railroad - if a slave made it to the north, they were free.
lincoln promised to outlaw slavery everywhere, and it is what got him elected. the southerners wanted to keep their racist practices, so they threw a tantrum and left the union, which under the constitutional interpretations at the time was a rebellious and traitorous act. when the north crushed the south, they were within their rights to execute every single southerner who had participated. BUT, Lincoln (and then Johnson after Lincoln's assasination) saw that this would do no good, so in the spirit of unity decided to be lenient. as part of the conclusion of the war each state had to ratify the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments outlawing slavery and giving former slaves citizenship and voting rights.
the civil war happened because they wanted to stay racist and own black people. the north originally didn't care, they were fighting to preserve the union (in fact some states that supported the north still had slavery). however as the war dragged on, it became clear the central motivating factor for both sides was slavery. however as a result of the south's traitorous rebellion, slavery became outlawed everywhere. they were also responsible for their own economic collapse (confederate soldiers basically took all the war goods they needed since almost nobody outside the us supported them) and is a big reason why the south to this day has a stererotype of being backwards, racist, and poor.