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Elvathelion [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

The fact that this is even being disputed is the cause for concern.

Reality doesn't seem to have a big impact these days - which is kind of my whole point.

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OldGreg 2 points ago +2 / -0

We agree on that completely.

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Elvathelion [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Aye, and here we are - but yes. I don't disagree with you - but I am not convinced that facts matter anymore in regards to certain things with certain people.

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OldGreg 1 point ago +1 / -0

Yeah facts probably don’t, at least at the higher levels. I will say that looking in the right places, people are starting to see what has been going on since FDR. The fact that people are starting to do something about it is great. The more people look, the bigger a third party with actual teeth is a possibility.

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Elvathelion [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

I guess I am uncertain that a political process solution is possible - but in no hurry to find out if I am right.

But once all quarters are given - then I guess we will see.