I'd trust him more if he got the same treatment from banks as Gab's founder.
Right now Andrew and Trump are being blocked by banks, and, seems like that's it.
So? They cut rich people off all the time. It would just be a question of him actually not towing the line, and starting to make waves.
As long as he's just spouting inconsequential stuff that make the plebs chase after the yarn ball, and distract them, without impact, then he's just part of the bread and circus, and they won't cut him off.
The Left's leaders hate him because he actually attempts to solve "Climate Change" and is actively actually doing shit in that direction. Arguably, everything Elon does has a Climate Change aspect.
He's doing all this by methods that the traditional American Right/Freedom Wing have no serious issue with. Actually making electric cars isn't half as irritating as endless lobbying and subsidies for studying the problem , which is where we were pre-Elon ... the Left was basically milking the issue.
The establishment Right is perfectly happy with the endless outrageous "Cost Plus Contracting" that fund Boeing/Lockheed and the rest of Mil-Ind.
A fair number of people have issues with his discussions on The Singularity and AI/Human interfacing, etc as well. The 'Transhumanist Left' and 'legitimate advances' are distinguished by "Do you trust them?" And ... hard to.
ok yeah, was waiting for someone to mention neural link... thats the one thing i'm legit sceptical of but as long as it's used to help disabled people... and not forced onto people to jack them into their new virtual existence of eating bugs in their pod while playing VR flappy bird.
I can think of legitimate cool shit to do with it, but then I look at Jeff Bezos and realize how much trust would need to be built up first.
Even "Eating bugs in their pod playing VR flappy" isn't the lowest it could go. If there's any way to use VR as an interface for, say, asteroid mining, it becomes the new slavery under a wide array of the usual suspects.
stop and think for just one moment. you'd be willing to let someone implant a friggin neurological network into your head? after seeing exactly how any system in the world currently is not safe from hacking or outright theft?
you're lost if so.
stop looking at what you could gain, and start looking at what you could lose.
lolwut? they are completely screwing with him, especially since he said he would run his factories despite covid restrictions and they threatened to go after him... so he just moved to texas.
I don't know. He's always rubbed me the wrong way. I support his companies - Tesla and SpaceX are amazing, but for some reason I just think he's pretending to be conservative. I don't know. I don't hate or dislike him, or his companies, I just get a weird vibe from him.
True. After the last year, and being stabbed in the back and betrayed by people I thought were solid, I'm cautious about all of them. But I always thought Elon was a bit sketchy. I wrote it off to being on a spectrum, which could be true, but I'm not running down the valley with his flag, lol.
He is not a politician. He is a leader. He is a visionary. He has to live partly in a world dominated by politicians.
I suspect everyone here knows the feeling of being under the authority of someone not as smart or plain foolish. I humbly submit that most of the time growing up Elon was smarter than the people in charge. This can have an interesting influence on your development. Elon is capable of being diplomatic and even political, but his insistence on first principles and moving towards the goal means little patience for nonsense. Hence he got out of California because it became clear the politicians here would just keep screwing with his company.
Probably the UBI or neurochip stuff, but it's not really out of character for a futurist sci-fi guy. I like him, I think the default is just distrust.. and at this point no amount of "based" talk should make someone trustworthy.
If he keeps improving battery tech and private spaceflight, that's good enough for me
To be fair, if we ditched welfare, SNAP, and the other social programs which allow the government to pick winners and losers and replaced it with UBI I'd be OK with it as well, which is the same opinion that Friedman had.
But only IF those things went away and they wont so...
"The Current Co2 levels are around 35--400 Parts Per Million, Would you want to bring those levels down to below 100 ppm? "
If they say yes, I tell them they fucking hate plants because many plant start dying below 150-200 ppm.
I then go on to tell them the earth has had up to 5,000ppm and during those times we had higher oxygen levels as a consequence and could support larger animals.
They usually shut the fuck up or futility try to prove me wrong on their phones.
I then leave them with the fact that Earth is carbon starved and has been Co2 levels have been decreasing since the end of the Eocene Epoch.
If you think the "climate changers" ultimate goals have anything to do with the climate, I'm a bit disappointed. What is the Paris Accord?
It's always about money. Taking it from someone, giving it to someone, it changes from time to time but don't make the mistake of thinking the climate changers actually know or care about the environment.
So many here idolize every aspect of Trump, but when it comes to someone really restoring American excellence it’s the utmost skepticism. “Ya know, Trump University was a hunch scam...DEPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Meanwhile, wow, Americans launched back to space from America! Electric cars that outperform gas ones and they are made here, not just designed here!!! SHUT UP! HE DIDN’T KISS TRUMP’s RING!
Listen, I don’t want to get into a character contest. I really have not heard any serious attacks on Musk’s character. If he were a liar, a fraud, a sex deviant, a thief etc. - we would hear about it, lots. He’s a bit quirky, he is a workaholic, he comes off as arrogant at times— but those are all understandable, certainly not horrible evils. I like seeing a smart man not tolerate bullshit. He knows time is breathing down his neck. He has important work he wants to accomplish.
He is a true inspiration and a heroic figure. Most billionaires are not in the least. I know firsthand from time with them in NYC and La Jolla.
Yeah he's not like all the bickering politicians, he's a doer, and a visionary. I don't necessarily like all aspects of his vision for humanity, but I respect it.
I don't trust Elon, but he's got style.
I'd trust him more if he got the same treatment from banks as Gab's founder.
Right now Andrew and Trump are being blocked by banks, and, seems like that's it.
No bank, no matter how clucked will cut Elon off.
He's the fucking richest man in the world.
So? They cut rich people off all the time. It would just be a question of him actually not towing the line, and starting to make waves.
As long as he's just spouting inconsequential stuff that make the plebs chase after the yarn ball, and distract them, without impact, then he's just part of the bread and circus, and they won't cut him off.
Not going to happen, he's simply too rich and capable...
Remember, he has the money to setup in competition to them, he's done it before, Paypal, and he still ownes X.com...
For him to do this would be (relatively) trivial.
why not?
whats he doing that makes him untrustworthy?
honestly curious.
He walks the Left's talk.
The Left's leaders hate him because he actually attempts to solve "Climate Change" and is actively actually doing shit in that direction. Arguably, everything Elon does has a Climate Change aspect.
He's doing all this by methods that the traditional American Right/Freedom Wing have no serious issue with. Actually making electric cars isn't half as irritating as endless lobbying and subsidies for studying the problem , which is where we were pre-Elon ... the Left was basically milking the issue.
The establishment Right is perfectly happy with the endless outrageous "Cost Plus Contracting" that fund Boeing/Lockheed and the rest of Mil-Ind.
A fair number of people have issues with his discussions on The Singularity and AI/Human interfacing, etc as well. The 'Transhumanist Left' and 'legitimate advances' are distinguished by "Do you trust them?" And ... hard to.
ok yeah, was waiting for someone to mention neural link... thats the one thing i'm legit sceptical of but as long as it's used to help disabled people... and not forced onto people to jack them into their new virtual existence of eating bugs in their pod while playing VR flappy bird.
I can think of legitimate cool shit to do with it, but then I look at Jeff Bezos and realize how much trust would need to be built up first.
Even "Eating bugs in their pod playing VR flappy" isn't the lowest it could go. If there's any way to use VR as an interface for, say, asteroid mining, it becomes the new slavery under a wide array of the usual suspects.
stop and think for just one moment. you'd be willing to let someone implant a friggin neurological network into your head? after seeing exactly how any system in the world currently is not safe from hacking or outright theft?
you're lost if so.
stop looking at what you could gain, and start looking at what you could lose.
namely, your mind.
The system isn't attacking him. That means he's acceptable to them.
Well, he is probably the richest African-American in the country, so maybe the media thinks it would be racist to attack him.
Most people dont even know he is African.
Maybe. But If you're one of the richest people in the world, you're clearly in the club.
lolwut? they are completely screwing with him, especially since he said he would run his factories despite covid restrictions and they threatened to go after him... so he just moved to texas.
Of course he’s part of the system. He’s one of the richest two people in the world. He can pull whatever strings he wants to if need be
I don't know. He's always rubbed me the wrong way. I support his companies - Tesla and SpaceX are amazing, but for some reason I just think he's pretending to be conservative. I don't know. I don't hate or dislike him, or his companies, I just get a weird vibe from him.
He’s eccentric. He also uses Machiavellian Rules of Power manipulation techniques like Trump. It’s good to be cautious.
True. After the last year, and being stabbed in the back and betrayed by people I thought were solid, I'm cautious about all of them. But I always thought Elon was a bit sketchy. I wrote it off to being on a spectrum, which could be true, but I'm not running down the valley with his flag, lol.
He's trying to stay afloat in a crooked world. I can understand why he doesn't want to attract too many corrosive media flies.
He is not a politician. He is a leader. He is a visionary. He has to live partly in a world dominated by politicians.
I suspect everyone here knows the feeling of being under the authority of someone not as smart or plain foolish. I humbly submit that most of the time growing up Elon was smarter than the people in charge. This can have an interesting influence on your development. Elon is capable of being diplomatic and even political, but his insistence on first principles and moving towards the goal means little patience for nonsense. Hence he got out of California because it became clear the politicians here would just keep screwing with his company.
fair enough... can't discount that weird vibe you get.
i just think he's a odd dude that means well and thinks about things with logic and reason...
and we all know we can't do that anymore it's verboten.
Probably the UBI or neurochip stuff, but it's not really out of character for a futurist sci-fi guy. I like him, I think the default is just distrust.. and at this point no amount of "based" talk should make someone trustworthy.
If he keeps improving battery tech and private spaceflight, that's good enough for me
battery tech is the bottle neck... big advances in batteries will change EVERYTHING
if he can solve that i don't don't care how many "how to problemitize everything via grievance study struggle sessions" he attends in private.
To be fair, if we ditched welfare, SNAP, and the other social programs which allow the government to pick winners and losers and replaced it with UBI I'd be OK with it as well, which is the same opinion that Friedman had.
But only IF those things went away and they wont so...
trying to suck the Co2 out of the air.. like the climate changers want
I like to ask Climate Cultists this question:
"The Current Co2 levels are around 35--400 Parts Per Million, Would you want to bring those levels down to below 100 ppm? "
If they say yes, I tell them they fucking hate plants because many plant start dying below 150-200 ppm.
I then go on to tell them the earth has had up to 5,000ppm and during those times we had higher oxygen levels as a consequence and could support larger animals.
They usually shut the fuck up or futility try to prove me wrong on their phones.
I then leave them with the fact that Earth is carbon starved and has been Co2 levels have been decreasing since the end of the Eocene Epoch.
If you think the "climate changers" ultimate goals have anything to do with the climate, I'm a bit disappointed. What is the Paris Accord?
It's always about money. Taking it from someone, giving it to someone, it changes from time to time but don't make the mistake of thinking the climate changers actually know or care about the environment.
if someone is stupid enough to pay me money to "sequester CO2 out of the air"...
i'malettum
We don't need everyone to be perfect, that's how liberals think. He's fine as he is, in fact we need more people like him.
So many here idolize every aspect of Trump, but when it comes to someone really restoring American excellence it’s the utmost skepticism. “Ya know, Trump University was a hunch scam...DEPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Meanwhile, wow, Americans launched back to space from America! Electric cars that outperform gas ones and they are made here, not just designed here!!! SHUT UP! HE DIDN’T KISS TRUMP’s RING!
We are not talking about his engineering skills, but about his moral character.
Listen, I don’t want to get into a character contest. I really have not heard any serious attacks on Musk’s character. If he were a liar, a fraud, a sex deviant, a thief etc. - we would hear about it, lots. He’s a bit quirky, he is a workaholic, he comes off as arrogant at times— but those are all understandable, certainly not horrible evils. I like seeing a smart man not tolerate bullshit. He knows time is breathing down his neck. He has important work he wants to accomplish.
He is a true inspiration and a heroic figure. Most billionaires are not in the least. I know firsthand from time with them in NYC and La Jolla.
Yeah he's not like all the bickering politicians, he's a doer, and a visionary. I don't necessarily like all aspects of his vision for humanity, but I respect it.