I see so much trash being pushed in cartoons these days. I’ve been a cartoon junkie my entire life and I’m sick and tired of woke garbage, atheism, and nihilism in general being pushed in cartoons recently.
I’m in the early stages of working on my own cartoon. And it’s going to start pushing back against this PC, self-hatred garbage that I’ve been seeing lately in what are considered popular cartoons.
Oh, there's plenty of trash there too, and with Soyny, Funimation and Crunchyroll influencing the supply chain, I'm not sure how long it'll be before it's almost all trash.
They're all Sony now. It purchased Funimation and Crunchyroll. They also moved PlayStation HQ to California, where developers worldwide needs get approval from. Netflix has been jumping in as well, with what they've already done, and now sponsoring westerners to go to japan.
There are alternatives like HiDive for current (legal) streaming. There's also Retrocrush for older series. There used to be a service created by a Japanese company, but I think it shut down.
That style was based heavily on animation style from the 50's and 60's. Think Bullwinkle, Underdog, etc. And I'd argue that the re-emergence started with Ren and Stimpy. A great deal of studios use it, including Pixar (Inside Out had some very heavy influence, even though it was CG) and even Nintendo (Anything involving Toon Link).
The stuff people usually complain about on newer Cartoon Network shows I have heard described as the "thin line style". And it looks nothing like that 50's retro. It's pretty ugly, and probably on purpose too.
Part of it is technology. Around the time the artistry started leaving western animation was also around the time when cheap looking vector keyframing entered the toolchain. Cartoons became flash videos with slightly higher production values than the 16 year olds on newgrounds.
Maybe, but people were using flash a decade ago and it didn't look that bad. My Little Pony, for example, was Lauren Faust (yes, one of CN's old crowd), and pink ponies aside, it stayed visually pleasing until the end. That show was entirely vector.
What I noticed on all the major "cartoon" studios is they started hiring fans off Tumblr. You heard me right: the hell hole of shipping stupidity. Legend of Korra and Adventure Time were early examples.
The folks who brought "woke" to these projects eventually got their own shows, old apprentices became masters, and the whole industry went to hell.
The only major studios that appear to be resistant are feature animation, but a lot of them resort to tokenism to keep the woke crowd away.
I'm not saying vector tweening is /bad/, Tartakovsky used it a lot to good effect. It does however make animation workflows cheaper, and enables lazy productions if the staff doesn't care about the project.
Another thing I gather is responsible for the "style" with the googly eyes, noodly limbs, and kidney bean shaped mouth is CalArts.
Me and my buddies were just talking about this the other day. Only was I was able to describe it was old cartoons had "weight" in the animation. All the new ones look plastic and creepy.
Yeah, seems like fundamentals like mass and gravity are overlooked a lot in modern western animation, even "photorealistic" CGI.
Compare like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park to the giant robots in a recent iteration of Transformers. The dinos from 1994 look more like real creatures than the trannys, because the trannys don't look like they really have mass, or the mass is apparently distributed in ways that don't really line up to what you see.
Animators used to study anatomy and kinematics a lot, now I tend to think average and below ones set up bone rigs and physics on the computer and don't put more than 5 minutes into thinking about if their parameters are even remotely pleasing looking.
My kids are sad when they couldn't watch teen titans go anymore after they taught them that chivalry is stupid. Men, in fact, are stupid. and girl power.
Atheism- no matter how much those loudmouths at places like American Atheists try to deny it - has led to more deaths and destruction than any religion - other than the one of peace, of course.
MCGA
Make Cartoons Great Again.
I see so much trash being pushed in cartoons these days. I’ve been a cartoon junkie my entire life and I’m sick and tired of woke garbage, atheism, and nihilism in general being pushed in cartoons recently.
I’m in the early stages of working on my own cartoon. And it’s going to start pushing back against this PC, self-hatred garbage that I’ve been seeing lately in what are considered popular cartoons.
Pssst
Anime
Oh, there's plenty of trash there too, and with Soyny, Funimation and Crunchyroll influencing the supply chain, I'm not sure how long it'll be before it's almost all trash.
Yep. Don't debate their idiot policies with their mid tier lemming.
Bring the ridicule directly to whom is creating this bullshit.
In this war, propaganda is the bullets and grenades
They're all Sony now. It purchased Funimation and Crunchyroll. They also moved PlayStation HQ to California, where developers worldwide needs get approval from. Netflix has been jumping in as well, with what they've already done, and now sponsoring westerners to go to japan.
There are alternatives like HiDive for current (legal) streaming. There's also Retrocrush for older series. There used to be a service created by a Japanese company, but I think it shut down.
We'll always have the memories ...
They've got a lot of money but are relatively early to the cultural squeeze and can be stopped. Spread the word about all the bs they espouse.
Yes, but that was always the case. Anime in Japan is like live action here. It's very heavily used, so there's a lot of crap with a few gems.
Anime fans have always known this. They just use word of mouth to find the good ones.
Well said, brother. May the trash of Western funding never infiltrate it too much.
I don't know about funding, but I have seen cases where they hired western (no name) animators for important episodes.
It started with Tartakovsky's minimalist style, and then suddenly every talentless hack realized that they can draw "cartoons" with minimal effort.
That style was based heavily on animation style from the 50's and 60's. Think Bullwinkle, Underdog, etc. And I'd argue that the re-emergence started with Ren and Stimpy. A great deal of studios use it, including Pixar (Inside Out had some very heavy influence, even though it was CG) and even Nintendo (Anything involving Toon Link).
The stuff people usually complain about on newer Cartoon Network shows I have heard described as the "thin line style". And it looks nothing like that 50's retro. It's pretty ugly, and probably on purpose too.
Part of it is technology. Around the time the artistry started leaving western animation was also around the time when cheap looking vector keyframing entered the toolchain. Cartoons became flash videos with slightly higher production values than the 16 year olds on newgrounds.
Maybe, but people were using flash a decade ago and it didn't look that bad. My Little Pony, for example, was Lauren Faust (yes, one of CN's old crowd), and pink ponies aside, it stayed visually pleasing until the end. That show was entirely vector.
What I noticed on all the major "cartoon" studios is they started hiring fans off Tumblr. You heard me right: the hell hole of shipping stupidity. Legend of Korra and Adventure Time were early examples.
The folks who brought "woke" to these projects eventually got their own shows, old apprentices became masters, and the whole industry went to hell.
The only major studios that appear to be resistant are feature animation, but a lot of them resort to tokenism to keep the woke crowd away.
I'm not saying vector tweening is /bad/, Tartakovsky used it a lot to good effect. It does however make animation workflows cheaper, and enables lazy productions if the staff doesn't care about the project.
Another thing I gather is responsible for the "style" with the googly eyes, noodly limbs, and kidney bean shaped mouth is CalArts.
Me and my buddies were just talking about this the other day. Only was I was able to describe it was old cartoons had "weight" in the animation. All the new ones look plastic and creepy.
Yeah, seems like fundamentals like mass and gravity are overlooked a lot in modern western animation, even "photorealistic" CGI.
Compare like the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park to the giant robots in a recent iteration of Transformers. The dinos from 1994 look more like real creatures than the trannys, because the trannys don't look like they really have mass, or the mass is apparently distributed in ways that don't really line up to what you see.
Animators used to study anatomy and kinematics a lot, now I tend to think average and below ones set up bone rigs and physics on the computer and don't put more than 5 minutes into thinking about if their parameters are even remotely pleasing looking.
My kids are sad when they couldn't watch teen titans go anymore after they taught them that chivalry is stupid. Men, in fact, are stupid. and girl power.
Atheism should never belong in the media.
Atheism- no matter how much those loudmouths at places like American Atheists try to deny it - has led to more deaths and destruction than any religion - other than the one of peace, of course.
How? Historically? Like vs the crusades? Not possible. Recent history? Not sure of any events. Be honest in criticism or you are no better than them
The purges under Stalin and Mao make the crusades look like a shoving match in the ball pit
That's awesome!