SECESSION is the only PEACEFUL path forward. You will find people much more open to secede than fight a civil war. If we move quickly, the red states could peacefully secede and restart a new nation upon our founding father's vision.
True, but it's easier to organize a defensive war, and that is what civil war started by secession is.
I hate to say it, but we need that war one way or the other. Leaving the union could be our version of provoking a Pearl Harbor -- though hopefully this time we tear down the military industrial complex instead of creating it.
I agree. No way around war, the federal government sure as hell isnt letting the power they’ve amassed over all 50 states be broken up peacefully. They didn’t in 1861, the sure as fuck won’t in 2021.
Civil wars and revolutions are only different in retrospect, and only depending on who wins.
If the Confederate States were still independent we'd call what happened a revolution. If we'd lost the American Revolution, it would probably be remembered as a British civil war.
If a credible threat of civil war emerges POTATUS will arrange for an over seas war. No way will our military be allowed to be present for an insurrection. Too many dangerous toys and too hard to ensure their loyalty to a specific regime.
Better to send them to play in a sand box and recruit various mercenaries domestically.
Think you overestimate the power of free thinking on the military. They do what they're told. If they're ordered to slaughter civilians as "terrorists" for "unity" and territorial integrity, you don't think they will?
Sounds nice, but reality doesn't work like that. We don't have people with the stomach for a civil war. Right now, the red states are FAR more likely to kneel than they are to fight. That's why we need SECESSION as a strategic retreat. Remember it's NOT just about the election or who has political power. It's about the Right losing the culture war and that means the Left controls the next generation.
SECESSION is the only PEACEFUL path forward. You will find people much more open to secede than fight a civil war. If we move quickly, the red states could peacefully secede and restart a new nation upon our founding father's vision.
There won’t be a peaceful secession. Just like in the past, the federal government will wage war to maintain control.
Activist judges will not let it happen either..of course their judgements don't apply to other nations
True, but it's easier to organize a defensive war, and that is what civil war started by secession is.
I hate to say it, but we need that war one way or the other. Leaving the union could be our version of provoking a Pearl Harbor -- though hopefully this time we tear down the military industrial complex instead of creating it.
I agree. No way around war, the federal government sure as hell isnt letting the power they’ve amassed over all 50 states be broken up peacefully. They didn’t in 1861, the sure as fuck won’t in 2021.
This is part of what I mean when I say we aren't ready. Civil war and revolution are two different types of wars.
Civil wars and revolutions are only different in retrospect, and only depending on who wins.
If the Confederate States were still independent we'd call what happened a revolution. If we'd lost the American Revolution, it would probably be remembered as a British civil war.
If a credible threat of civil war emerges POTATUS will arrange for an over seas war. No way will our military be allowed to be present for an insurrection. Too many dangerous toys and too hard to ensure their loyalty to a specific regime.
Better to send them to play in a sand box and recruit various mercenaries domestically.
Think you overestimate the power of free thinking on the military. They do what they're told. If they're ordered to slaughter civilians as "terrorists" for "unity" and territorial integrity, you don't think they will?
Some would, some wouldn't.
No risk of them doing either if they are off shooting Syrians instead, which seems like the more likely scenario.
Secede and embargo. They forget where their food comes from. Let's see those commies try to make enough to avoid starvation without the midwest.
Sounds nice, but reality doesn't work like that. We don't have people with the stomach for a civil war. Right now, the red states are FAR more likely to kneel than they are to fight. That's why we need SECESSION as a strategic retreat. Remember it's NOT just about the election or who has political power. It's about the Right losing the culture war and that means the Left controls the next generation.